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Joe Walsh Tells Women’s Health Advocate To ‘Get A Job’

1:15 pm - 09/10/2012
Joe Walsh Tells Women’s Health Advocate To ‘Get A Job’

Rep. Joe Walsh, the ornery Republican Congressman from Illinois, is known for trying to diminish his opponents’ their accomplishments. Earlier this year he said of Tammy Duckworth, the woman running against him for his Congressional seat, “Female, wounded veteran … ehhh.

Walsh is now attacking women’s health advocate Sandra Fluke, joining a long list of Republicans in denigrating Fluke after her speech at the Democratic National Convention.. Over the weekend, Walsh complained that Fluke should “get a job” and stop talking about affordable contraception because “we’ve got parents in this country who are struggling”:

Think about this, a 30, 31, 32 year old law student who has been a student for life, who gets up there in front of a national audience and tells the American people, ‘I want America to pay for my contraceptives. You’re kidding me. Go get a job. Go get a job Sandra Fluke. This is what — I was offended.

We’ve got Americans who are struggling, we’ve got parents in this country who are struggling to buy sneakers that their kids can wear to school that just started.
We’ve got parents up and down my district who are barely keeping their house.

Watch it:



It seems lost on Walsh that parents who cannot afford contraception will then have unintentional pregnancies resulting in more children they also cannot afford. As does the fact that Fluke’s testimony before Congress told the story of a friend who couldn’t pay for contraceptives; it was not about Fluke’s own need for birth control.

Additionally, Fluke has, in fact, held a job: According to her own bio, “she worked at Sanctuary for Families in New York City, combating domestic violence and human trafficking.”

Fluke earned national attention some months back when House Republicans barred her from testifying about women’s need for contraceptive access. Adding insult to injury, conservatives publicly trashed Fluke. Most famously, radio host Rush Limbaugh called her a “slut” who has “so much sex” that she cannot afford contraception.

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OP: Yeah, fuck you for "Female, wounded veteran … ehhh." You still have your two legs, you douchebag... And fuck you for the rest. How completely blind do you have to be to make the statement: "We’ve got Americans who are struggling, we’ve got parents in this country who are struggling to buy sneakers that their kids can wear to school that just started." in one circumstance when you can spew vomit about a "Female, wounded veteran ... ehhh." in another? He doesn't see that the wounded veteran can't buy sneakers for her feet any more?
aberforthsgoat 10th-Sep-2012 09:37 pm (UTC)
Are you really suggesting that a woman whose family is on food stamps, for instance, should be required by the government to go on birth control? So if I lose my job and need help feeding my family I also lose my reproductive rights?
tsuni_night 10th-Sep-2012 09:43 pm (UTC)
If you require government aide to get by can you really afford another child?

Can you afford with food stamps to feed that new baby? Yourself, your other kids well?

I'm not suggesting you never have another child. But if you are so broke you require government aid for the basics do you really feel you should be having more children at that point in your life?

I don't think we should do away with welfare/food stamps/etc. people fall on hard times, it's an unfortunate reality. The assistance should be there for people who really need it.

That being said I don't think the government should have to pay additional funds to care for another child when you can't even afford to take care of yourself, let alone more children.
violetrose 10th-Sep-2012 09:49 pm (UTC)
No one is discussing purposefully deciding to have more children whilst on assistance. We're talking about how costly and invasive forcing people to take birth control and drug tests is. Not to mention the fact that not all women can, or want to take hormonal birth control. And if the birth control fails; what should happen then?

Drug tests are similarly ridiculous. There is no proof that it does anything but deny addicts welfare, and most people on benefits are not not addicts. And even if someone is, they still deserve food and shelter. And if we're testing for drugs, why not alcohol?

And frankly, since they're on assistance, they should be living the most healthy life possible so as to not waste Government money! So we should monitor their diets, make sure they go the Gym at least twice a week (whether they have a disability or can afford it or not) and not allow them to consume any high fat or high sugar food and drink. Because my tax moniez, or something.

Edited at 2012-09-10 09:50 pm (UTC)
makemerun 10th-Sep-2012 10:06 pm (UTC)
If this was applied to all people who receive tax money, I would totally support it just so I could see the look on all of those sucking-on-the-government-teat Senators' faces.

Actually I wouldn't, but still it's fun to dream.
violetrose 10th-Sep-2012 10:10 pm (UTC)
Honestly, it would prove how much of a double standard there is in society when it comes to receiving Government money in any form.

Rich politicians can do what they want; poor people need to comply with ridiculous and invasive rules for the scraps that are barely thrown at them.
yooperchild 15th-Sep-2012 08:11 pm (UTC)
Did you see the Daily Show do where one of the correspondents approached a govenor who had commented that people who get tax payer money should have to take drug tests, with a pee cup for him to take his drug test?

The look in the governors face was priceless.
tsuni_night 10th-Sep-2012 10:48 pm (UTC)
So I was attempting to respond with a novella and for brevity have decided to shorten my response and just avoid the last two paragraphs since I more or less don't think the government should force you to eat specific things, and your exercise regiment or lack there of should also be your choice.

"No one is discussing purposefully deciding to have more children whilst on assistance."

See my beliefs come from knowing a couple of people who abuse the system to the max. The one that fries my cookies the most are on government aide, don't work, are working on their 6th child with 5th father, nicer toys from grandma/dad get sold, there has been a confirmed meth lab being run in the basement by a relative, child support goes to pay for the new truck instead of clothing that fits. My BIL's son got told when he got married and was expecting his second child by the baby momma that daddy wasn't going to love him anymore because he was going to have a new one and because he was a [insert BIL's last name] and not a [insert current husbands last name]. BIL's son gets used as a weapon more than occasionally. And BIL wants custody but keeps getting deployed, and was told to not bother until he was married to his now wife (who is awesome).

So do I believe there are responsible people out there on government aide and do not require birth control. Yes. Do I believe there are people out there on government aide that do not do drugs. Yes. Do I believe the opposite exists too. Yes.

It's possible some of the things I've had to deal with for the last few years have caused me to become jaded. The fun part about the US is I get my opinion and regardless of if it's right or wrong I get to maintain it.I believe that if you are on government aide and having sex you should be on birth control of some type... Male or female.

On a semi-unrelated note I believe that anyone who wants birth control should be able to get it. They shouldn't be told no because they are poor.


... I am so incapable of a short post. Sorry for that.









Edited at 2012-09-10 10:48 pm (UTC)
violetrose 10th-Sep-2012 10:58 pm (UTC)
The fun part about the US is I get my opinion and regardless of if it's right or wrong I get to maintain it.

And we get to tell you your opinion is ignorant and shitty, so yeah. Also, this forum is not the US.

If that story is actually true (which I'm not sure that I really believe you because everyone always trots out the 'I totally know this cousin of a friend of a friend of a friend that takes advantage of the system!' and it's usually either bullshit, exaggerated, or the person is coming at it from an outsiders perspective and doesn't really understand the situation), then why don't you report them, or better yet, report them to the social services since the children seem to obviously be in some kind of danger and are at risk of neglect?

I believe that if you are on government aide and having sex you should be on birth control of some type... Male or female.

And if they don't want to? Fuck them? What if a woman cannot take hormonal birth control, or other types like an IUD negatively affect herself in some way? How will you regulate condom usage; by making sure someone is there everytime a couple of assistance has sex?

Bonus question!: Should politicians, who are on Government money, be made to take birth control? Government employees, like teachers and the police? Or is it just poor people that should have their lives monitored?

BTW is there a reason you didn't address the fact that drug tests cost more money than they save? or how not all addicts are automatically bad people? I also know plenty of addicts, recovered and recovering; taking their benefits away would do nothing.

Edited at 2012-09-10 11:02 pm (UTC)
farting_nora 10th-Sep-2012 10:59 pm (UTC)
Do you honestly believe this woman's children would be better off if she didn't receive assistance, or do you just want to punish her even if it means her children will suffer as well?

and I truly believe you are hearing a totally unbiased account of all this from your bil who is trying for custody.
zombieroadtrip 11th-Sep-2012 10:22 am (UTC)
Do you honestly believe this woman's children would be better off if she didn't receive assistance, or do you just want to punish her even if it means her children will suffer as well?

ding ding ding
back_track 10th-Sep-2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
so you admit you're basing your political beliefs--that apply to an ENTIRE NATION OF PEOPLE--are based on one or two anecdotes?

The fun part about the US is I get my opinion and regardless of if it's right or wrong I get to maintain it.

looooollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll have fun with that mindset.
bonesnapdeez 10th-Sep-2012 11:09 pm (UTC)
See my beliefs come from knowing a couple of people who abuse the system to the max.

Tons of people "know someone" that "abuses the system." It's irrelevant, as you probably don't know the whole story of the people you speak of, and public policy isn't based on anecdotes.
homasse 11th-Sep-2012 01:59 am (UTC)
See my beliefs come from knowing a couple of people who abuse the system to the max.

I see your anecdata and raise you actual statistics.
lickety_split 11th-Sep-2012 02:32 am (UTC)
See my beliefs come from knowing a couple of people who abuse the system to the max.

Well, feel free to report them at your earliest convenience...
effervescent 11th-Sep-2012 05:34 am (UTC)
So if a person happens to fall on hard times and might lose the best chance of conceiving because of how old they are, etc - tough for them? And everyone should suffer and have their control of their body and their right to reproduce or not reproduce when they want taken away because you're grumpy with the few people that crop up to take advantage of any system?

Have fun holding that opinion, but it's still horrible and wrong, and it'd be just the start of a slope that's pretty damn slippery.
meran_flash 11th-Sep-2012 08:00 am (UTC)
I get my opinion and regardless of if it's right or wrong I get to maintain it.
zombieroadtrip 11th-Sep-2012 10:21 am (UTC)
Maybe it's just my bleeding heart liberal tendencies but I'd much rather watch a handful of people 'exploit' the system and live like kings (if we even for a second acknowledge the welfare queen anecdote) then to know I cut benefits, stigmatized, and hurt the many, many people who need them. And yes, that includes drug users and those who don't want to be forced by the government onto medication and hormones.

What birth control would you be advocating for in men? I'm guessing you're not for forced surgeries? In that case, a pack of condoms and a serious finger waggle? That's totally like requiring implanted or oral birth control from women!
likeahobbit 10th-Sep-2012 09:54 pm (UTC)
So what happens if you fall on hard times after you're already pregnant? Or what if your birth control fails? Or what if you either can't tolerate hormonal HBC or simply don't want to be on it? How do we decide who is 'too poor' to be allowed to make the decision to have a child?

I'm pro-choice and that means I'm not okay with people regulating what women can do with their bodies at any income level. Its kind of messed up that you are.
tsuni_night 10th-Sep-2012 11:09 pm (UTC)

Then you're pregnant and hard times came at semi crappy time... though really is there ever a good time to have hard times? I never said anything about not being eligible for kids you already have, bc failure or etc.

Perhaps I wasn't specific. I believe if you are on government aide you should have to take precautions against getting pregnant, not that there should be no assistance if something does happen. There is a difference between at least trying to be responsible and even bothering to try.

Then it fails. You deal with it by choosing to have and keep, adopt, or not to have a child.

IMO Medical decisions are an obvious. If you can't take birth control because you medically can't then you wouldn't take it. Perhaps then condoms would be provided. Or maybe abstinence. OR should a woman/man make the choice to get fixed they should have that option (not required just an option I think should be available).


For the last one, can you support yourself & a child? Yes poor people can do this too. My in laws are dirt poor and are/were great parents. They did not receive government aide. They always managed. Both their sons were loved, fed, clothed, and there may not have been a lot of extras, but IMO they are great parents. Somehow they managed to support themselves and two kids on one very low income after my FIL was required to leave the military (prior to pension benefits). Go cost cutting measures.

Of course if you want to get even deeper I think that these same government aide groups should also provide a hand up. Education, job training/placement, etc. Something that will help people who can and want to be self sufficient.

I truly believe there are a lot of people out there on government aide that don't see a way out. OR when they try they get smacked down. They want to stand on their own two feet and should be provided with decent opportunities to let them do just that.



tnganon 10th-Sep-2012 11:28 pm (UTC)
those government services don't exist, sry 2 to break ur illusion. yes they totally fucking should but guess what, people need to live in reality! & while i'm very happy for your in-laws, not everyone can survive without government aide. that's not a failing on their part, it's a fact.

& yes there should be more genuine programs in place to help people looking for jobs get the training and experience and childcare they need to enable them, not that welfare to work crap. but, hey, it doesn't fucking exist, largely because of attitudes like yours about scroungers on government aid who just need to ~cut costs~

also it's disgusting that you're in favour of mandatory drug tests.
aberforthsgoat 10th-Sep-2012 10:04 pm (UTC)
The point is that all of those are personal decisions. Right or wrong, they are women's choices to make. No government has the right to decide when it is a good time for a woman to have a child. This kind of mentality dehumanises the poor generally and poor mothers specifically, by focusing on their reproductive choices instead of structural forces that lead to poverty.

edited for spelling

Edited at 2012-09-10 10:18 pm (UTC)
arisma 11th-Sep-2012 12:18 am (UTC)
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