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Ohioans confused about bin Laden’s death

8:14 pm - 09/10/2012


What does Mitt Romney have to do with killing Osama bin Laden? According to a notable percentage of Ohio Republicans, way more than that good-for-nothing Barack Obama.

According to a PPP poll of likely Ohio voters, 15 percent of Republicans in Ohio think Romney is “more responsible” for bin Laden’s death than Obama, while 47 percent of Republicans are “not sure” whether Obama or Romney deserves more of the credit.

Six percent of the overall respondents gave Romney credit where credit is not at all due. Thirty-one percent of them weren’t sure whether the president or the candidate deserves more credit.

Salon
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maisontv 11th-Sep-2012 03:03 am (UTC)
I am ashamed at the idiocy of my state.






I really need to get the fuck out of here.
ragnor144 11th-Sep-2012 03:09 am (UTC)
I can't even fathom how anyone thought up that question. I hope (maybe not the best word) that these people are just too stubborn to admit anything they approve of could have been done by Obama. I want to re-ask all of these people but replace "Romney" with "an American flag tea cozy" and see if there is any difference.
romp 11th-Sep-2012 06:03 am (UTC)
A+
tiddlywinks103 11th-Sep-2012 03:17 am (UTC)
Idiots.
bord_du_rasoir 11th-Sep-2012 03:22 am (UTC)
People are truly amazing.

This is kind of like the Asch line experiment - except rather than external social influence leading people to deny an obvious truth, it's an internalized partisanship leading people to deny an obvious truth.

I'll never make peace with all the ways that people cavalierly deny reality rather than work through a little bit of cognitive dissonance to acknowledge reality.
latin_lunatic 11th-Sep-2012 03:29 am (UTC)
nycscribbler 11th-Sep-2012 03:32 am (UTC)
How.

HOW.

HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW?
zinnia_rose 11th-Sep-2012 03:37 am (UTC)
62% of Ohioans* are completely out of touch with reality. SIXTY-FREAKING-TWO PERCENT! What the actual fuck.

*Assuming this survey was a representative sample. Which, now that I think about it, is actually not that likely.

EDIT:
According to a PPP poll of likely Ohio voters, 15 percent of Republicans in Ohio think Romney is “more responsible” for bin Laden’s death than Obama, while 47 percent of Republicans are “not sure” whether Obama or Romney deserves more of the credit.

Six percent of the overall respondents gave Romney credit where credit is not at all due. Thirty-one percent of them weren’t sure whether the president or the candidate deserves more credit.


Maybe I'm especially dim today, but don't these two paragraphs directly contradict each other? Either 15% percent of them give Romney credit or 6% of them do. Either 47% aren't sure or 31% aren't. Bwah?

Edited at 2012-09-11 04:24 am (UTC)
teacoat 11th-Sep-2012 04:27 am (UTC)
The general population numbers (i.e., Repubs, Democrats, and Independents) were 6 and 31, and the numbers for just the people who identified as Republican were 15 & 47. If you click the link in the article you can see the exact demographic breakdown of the survey.
zinnia_rose 11th-Sep-2012 05:51 pm (UTC)
Duhhhhhhhhh. Yeah, I was especially dim yesterday. Thank you!
stephani673 11th-Sep-2012 04:29 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm really wondering about the methodology here. It was an automated phone survey. One of the independent polling places got me on the phone a while ago and I'm really glad it was a live person because the questions were so poorly phrased.

The question was "Who do you think deserves more credit for the
killing of Osama bin Laden: Barack Obama or
Mitt Romney?" Only 6% actually said Mitt Romney, but 63% said Obama. The rest said "not sure." I can see them actually viewing this question and thinking, "I think the Navy Seals deserve the credit, but that's not an option so I'll say 'not sure.'"
zinnia_rose 11th-Sep-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
Hehe, yeah, I have to agree that the Navy Seals who actually DID it deserve the credit. But Romney had fuck-all to do with it, so I do not understand that 6%.

But an automated phone survey is not the greatest IMO. 98% of the population hangs up on them (myself included). That's not to say I don't believe there are some morons out there who believe Romney should be credited with killing bin Laden, but I put little stock in the actual numbers.
mhael HUH.11th-Sep-2012 03:40 am (UTC)
Sooooooooo, then I guess 68% of Ohio Republicans are uninformed idiots who should be locked away for the good of society.
stephani673 11th-Sep-2012 04:02 am (UTC)
Can we acknowledge that this study polled 1,072 likely voters in a state with 11.5 million people?

Before, you know, we call everyone in the state an idiot or a racist or out-of-touch.
margerydaw_s2 11th-Sep-2012 04:12 am (UTC)
Pretty sure everyone here is aware that ~not all Ohioans are like that~
moljn 11th-Sep-2012 07:06 am (UTC)
...But that's how polls work.
bellonia 11th-Sep-2012 02:16 pm (UTC)
To continue what the other person said, that's how polls and statistics work. You take a small, representative sample and use that as a tool to analyze the rest of the population.
stephani673 11th-Sep-2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
I feel like I need to clarify something here (and this is why I should never post after midnight):

I understand how polls work and what representative samples are, but I think automated phone surveys are flawed in general. Not just this survey, although I question why they threw in an item about bin Laden after all the other questions about the conventions. I can see trying to remove social issues from a poll, but the construction here just doesn't make sense to me.

Beyond that, this article bothers me. "Ohioans confused about bin Laden's Death" isn't exactly representative of what the study actually reveals. This part -- "thirty-one percent of them weren’t sure whether the president or the candidate deserves more credit" -- is a big part of why I have a problem with both the article and the survey.

I've already said this in another comment, but the question doesn't really read that way. I can absolutely understand why so many people chose "not sure." If they were thinking that credit was due to the Navy Seals or the armed forces in general, they're more likely to choose 'not sure' than to default to 'commander in chief'. It's a badly worded question.

My main objection -- and, again, why I shouldn't post when I'm tired -- is to 1) Salon jumping to the conclusion that Ohioans are confused about it when that's not really what's going on, and 2) comments on here that made a further leap to Ohioans are all racist or idiots or out of touch with reality. I admit to being a little overly sensitive to it, but good lord, the Ohio/midwest bashing gets old.
jaeji 11th-Sep-2012 04:50 am (UTC)
suuuuure, "it's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."
bushy_brow 11th-Sep-2012 06:05 pm (UTC)
But he totes deserves the credit still, amirite?
tabaqui 11th-Sep-2012 12:54 pm (UTC)
Welcome to Denialville, capitol of Delusions.

Edited at 2012-09-11 12:55 pm (UTC)
4eyedblonde 11th-Sep-2012 01:51 pm (UTC)
I... what?
fishphile 11th-Sep-2012 04:56 pm (UTC)
Wow.
sankaku_atama 11th-Sep-2012 11:24 pm (UTC)
Jeeebus MOOSE, Ohio! You give me the sad pissed off!

How can you possibly NOT think that a man who was in the highest office of the country during the actual event has less to do with it than a two-faced business hack who was barely functioning as a governor at the time?!

Should have asked me and my wife, but then that would have blown the curve, probably.
saltireflower 12th-Sep-2012 06:10 pm (UTC)
These are the lowest information voters imaginable.
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