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France to close embassies in fear of cartoon backlash

8:42 am - 09/19/2012
France announced Wednesday it will close 20 embassies across the Muslim world on Friday after French weekly Charlie Hebdo published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed naked, amid growing unrest over an anti-Islamic film that has left dozens dead.

The French foreign ministry announced Wednesday that France will close 20 of its embassies in Muslim countries this Friday following the publication of controversial Prophet Mohammed cartoons by satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. Major protests in the Muslim world generally take place after Friday prayers.

The illustrations, which show the Prophet Mohammed naked and refer to the incendiary US-made film which has been fueling deadly unrest among Muslim communities for over a week, hit newsstands across France on Wednesday.

The French foreign ministry announced Wednesday that France will close 20 of its embassies in Muslim countries this Friday following the publication of controversial Prophet Mohammed cartoons by satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo. Major protests in the Muslim world generally take place after Friday prayers.

The illustrations, which show the Prophet Mohammed naked and refer to the incendiary US-made film which has been fueling deadly unrest among Muslim communities for over a week, hit newsstands across France on Wednesday.



The illustrations, which show the Prophet Mohammed naked and refer to the incendiary US-made film which has been fueling deadly unrest among Muslim communities for over a week, hit newsstands across France on Wednesday.
The magazine's editor, Stephane Charbonnier, told reporters that the pictures, which are printed on the back page, will "shock those who will want to be shocked."

But the French government condemned the decision to go ahead with publication amid a global uprising ignited by the American anti-Islam video which ridicules the Prophet Mohammed. Dozens of people have been killed during the unrest, including the US ambassador to Libya, who was targeted at the consulate in Benghazi by suspected fundamentalists.

Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told FRANCE 24 on Tuesday that while he respects freedom of expression, he sees “no point in such a provocation.” Stressing that the French government would never encourage the cartoons’ publication, he called for “reason to prevail.” Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault issued a statement Tuesday saying: “In the current climate, the prime minister wishes to stress his disapproval of all excess and calls on everyone to behave responsibly.”

No backing down

It’s not the first time that Charlie Hebdo, which is celebrated for its irreverent treatment of politicians and public figures, has courted controversy with the Muslim community. In November last year the Paris offices of the paper were firebombed after it published a mocking caricature of Mohammad on its front page.

Editor Charbonnier, originally a cartoonist who uses the name Charb, told French news channel iTele on Tuesday that the paper “does caricatures of everyone, and above all every week, but when we do it with the Prophet, it’s called provocation,” adding that if Charlie Hebdo stopped printing satirical work because of pressure or fear of offence, it would be reduced to selling 16 blank pages every week.



Representations of Allah or Mohammad are considered as blasphemous to Muslims. The main Islamic body in France, the French Muslim Council (CFCM), accused Charlie Hebdo of firing up anti-Muslim sentiment at a sensitive time. “There is profound indignation at the publication of these cartoons,” leader Mohammed Moussaoui told FRANCE 24, describing the cartoons as “unjust” and “Islamophobic”. But Mouassoui also called on France’s Muslim community – which is the biggest in Europe – to “rise above their anger and not give in to the provocation”.

Pascal Boniface, who heads France’s International and Strategic Relations Institute (IRIS), tweeted on Wednesday morning that Charlie Hebdo “is not Islamophobic, but simply opportunist, cynical, and without scruples.”

But with calls already circulating on social networks and the internet for weekend protests over the US film that originally sparked unrest, concerns that the Charlie Hebdo cartoons could exacerbate the situation are mounting.



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layweed 19th-Sep-2012 06:19 pm (UTC)
Stupid fucks (the cartoonists).

I'm beginning to wonder if the Mayans had it right all along..
cozmic_oceanz 19th-Sep-2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
"I'm beginning to wonder if the Mayans had it right all along.."

ME TOO =[ I keep having apocalyptic dreams. It's awful.
maenads_dance 19th-Sep-2012 06:21 pm (UTC)
All props to this editor and his choice. At this point I think the purpose of publishing these cartoons is less their explicit content (vulgar and silly blaspheming) but rather the metacontent of saying that the most important time to exercise your right to free speech is when everyone wants you to shut up... This kind of speech is not calling fire in a crowded theater; it isn't even hate speech. It's the same kind of irreverence that's at the heart of religious skepticism everywhere. People got mighty annoyed at Piss Christ in the US (the artist got death threats). Hell, Salman Rushdie was sent into hiding for writing a novel which explored the roots of faith and the humanity of religious leaders - not a novel which demonized Mohammed! If a sincere exploration of the nature of faith is enough to send a novelist into hiding for years, then there's no hope for poking fun.

And yet we're told that it's irresponsible to continue to be irreverent, unafraid, unwilling to hold up religious fundamentalists of one faith to a different standard than those of a different faith... If someone told me that I shouldn't be allowed to mock quiverfull Christians stateside, or televangelists like Joel Osteen, or Focus on the Family (focus on your own damn family!) -- I would be outraged, and I think most people on this community would be too.

But when the rights of secular people in secular nations (and France, far more so than the US, is an explicitly SECULAR nation) to mock the ridiculous aspects of religions and their adherents are under threat, not by explicit governmental action but by government reinforcement of the idea that it is wrong to speak freely when it is inconvenient to the government... ugghghgh.

I don't know how coherent I'm being. I think it's very different to create a piece of media whose explicit purpose is to foster hate and divisions (the original video) and to create a piece of media whose surface purpose is mockery, but whose metapurpose is the defense of the right of free people to speak freely.
the_gabih 19th-Sep-2012 07:00 pm (UTC)
On the one hand, I can see why people think it's an ~important expression of free speech~, and nothing excuses fundamentalist violence. But really- free speech comes with responsibilities. And when people are getting killed because of stuff similar to what you're going to publish, maybe, just maybe, you ought to think twice and publish it at a later date.
layweed 19th-Sep-2012 07:05 pm (UTC)
Thank you. This isn't about free speech, it's about purposely printing content that mocks Muslims, incites hatred, and will most likely lead to more rioting and violence on the part of outraged Muslims around the world. You want to defend free speech? Do it without blatantly insulting a religion's most important figure(s).
lai_choi_san 19th-Sep-2012 07:25 pm (UTC)
Sometimes, defending reason requires to act unreasonnably.
natyanayaki 19th-Sep-2012 10:59 pm (UTC)
But who is going to suffer? I'm fine with the publisher and the cartoonists risking their own lives, I'm not sure that I'm OK with their risking other people's lives.
mephisto5 19th-Sep-2012 07:41 pm (UTC)
The cartoons are vile. Thinking threats or attacks on someone are warrented because of them is worse.
yamamanama 19th-Sep-2012 07:46 pm (UTC)
Sometimes i think they want violence.
redstar826 19th-Sep-2012 07:48 pm (UTC)
There is a huge, huge difference between being angry/offended and lashing out violently.
freuen 19th-Sep-2012 07:50 pm (UTC)
As I said up-thread, free speech should certainly be respected and protected. However, when free speech will put others in danger, in this case diplomats and expats, maybe some careful consideration should happen.
mephisto5 19th-Sep-2012 08:03 pm (UTC)
maybe some careful consideration should happen

Indeed, the people who think that such things justify murder should stop and reconsider before ending someone's life.
atomic_joe2 19th-Sep-2012 08:09 pm (UTC)
They didn't close their embassy in London when a French magazine printed topless pictures of Kate Middleton. And that was over disrespectful images of someone that is actually real.
girly123 19th-Sep-2012 08:56 pm (UTC)
Rude and unnecessary.
cookie1223 19th-Sep-2012 08:25 pm (UTC)
And no one seems to care about Muslim woman who will be more harassed in France.
rex_dart 19th-Sep-2012 08:34 pm (UTC)
I kind of can't believe that people here are acting like free speech in France will somehow magically disappear unless total dickbags publish racist cartoons. Good job buying into the same false dichotomy that's always trotted out to protect the privileged, everyone.
cookie1223 19th-Sep-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
ikr white men free speech matters who cares about islamophobia and hate speech
wrestlingdog 19th-Sep-2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
Also, what's the standard for what can or cannot fall under free speech in France? I feel as though some of us might see "free speech" and have their minds immediately jump to the First Amendment. Do the same standards apply in France?
alierakieron 19th-Sep-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
Well, France has banned all protests of the youtube video (which is complete bullshit), so the standards are clearly different.
poetic_pixie_13 19th-Sep-2012 09:19 pm (UTC)
Oh, _p. Hate speech against queers is horrible but s'all good if it's directed at those hysteria Muslims.

Freedom of speech is awesome. No one is saying that the magazine does not have the right print these cartoons.

Lemme repeat that for the back seats. No one is saying that the magazine does not have the right print these cartoons.

But, considering how intensely important it is not to visually depict the Prophet how about you just not do it? Just because you have the right to be an asshole doesn't mean you should go be one to make a stance for freedom~ It's a dick move. One that has no other purpose than to incite anger and violence. Just because you don't have to stop yourself from saying something because of how others will react doesn't mean it's not the decent thing to do that.

This is hate speech. There is literally no reason to do this past angering and horrifically insulting Muslims. If you want to make some argument about this being a bold statement about freedom of speech I will laugh at you. Because that opinion is naive at best or wilfully ignorant bordering on flat out lying at worst.

This happened after France has banned protest against the anti-Islam video. Because liberty. Anyone who wants to act as if France is not disgustingly Islamophobic will also be laughed at. Because, really? Laws that don't explicit target a group of people can and are still bigoted as fuck. This ban, this cartoon, is racist and Islamophobic as fuck and if you think that's OK well then more power to you. But don't act as if this is defending human rights. It's bullshit and oppression being passed off as uncompromising integrity by white European asshats.

Honestly, fuck this. Fuck every single fucking person who thought this was a good idea. Because it's disgusting. It's wilfully, gleefully, callously offensive. There are a billion Muslims in the world and the majority of them do not condone visual images of their Prophet. If you want to do this at least be honest and say you're doing this to be a disrespectful jackass who couldn't give two fucks about freedom of speech. Because this is the same country that does not allow a woman to express her faith by wearing a niquab or burka, again in the same of freedom.

Edited at 2012-09-19 09:21 pm (UTC)
rex_dart 19th-Sep-2012 09:29 pm (UTC)
omg the rationality brigade is here



girly123 19th-Sep-2012 09:20 pm (UTC)
Newspapers don't have an obligation to post everything that passes by their desk, as they show time and time again in ignoring stories that primarily affect the working class, lgbtq+ issues, or people of color. That they decided to post this disgusting, bigoted, Islamophobic piece with the knowledge of the unrest it would cause is telling, on their part, and they should feel ashamed. They should have their actions condemned. And honestly, it says a lot about some of the commenters here, who were so quick to say that Rush Limbaugh should (rightfully) be disallowed from spreading vicious, sexist misinformation about contraceptives, but both refuse to see- and actively support the dissemination of- the vicious, Islamophobic misinformation behind this comic. You, too, should feel ashamed of yourselves, because just as Rush Limbaugh's comments were more than a lone ignorant man spouting misogynistic bullshit (as he was, in fact, a man raised in a culture that systematically favors and coddles men to the detriment of women, and who has scores of male followers who will carry out his and their beliefs to the detriment of women) this isn't just about a comic. This is another representation of a foreign Western nation- one that has been fucking with the Muslim world for literal centuries and has shown no signs of stopping -thumbing its nose again at a group of people who have to live every day with the violent repercussions of their greed and entitlement. Acting like this is some kind of bemusing thought problem about FREE SPEECH AND FREE SPEECH ALONE!!1!1!, while ignoring the centuries of social and political context that's leading to all of this, is imbecilic.

Is murder the correct response to international insult steeped in centuries of superiority complexes and oppression? Of course not, especially not in Islam. The people hurting and killing others for what these fool-ass Westerners are doing should also be ashamed of themselves. That others were acting out in a worse way doesn't make the initial offending action less bad, however, and people need to remember that.

Edited at 2012-09-19 09:21 pm (UTC)
poetic_pixie_13 19th-Sep-2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
This is another representation of a foreign Western nation- one that has been fucking with the Muslim world for literal centuries and has shown no signs of stopping -thumbing its nose again at a group of people who have to live every day with the violent repercussions of their greed and entitlement. Acting like this is some kind of bemusing thought problem about FREE SPEECH AND FREE SPEECH ALONE!!1!1!, while ignoring the centuries of social and political context that's leading to all of this, is imbecilic.

Let's run away into the sunset together.

I just don't understand why this is so hard for people. (Well, I do. White Liberal syndrome strikes again.)
simplefaith08 19th-Sep-2012 09:51 pm (UTC)
But guys! How will we get our precious, genius shock humor if we're actually asked to *gasp* think and act maturely?

poetic_pixie_13 19th-Sep-2012 09:55 pm (UTC)
This gif is giving me life, tbqh.
alierakieron 19th-Sep-2012 09:53 pm (UTC)
And that I would completely free with. My whole argument is responding to the notion that began above that this wasn't an issue of free speech and that the author was stupid to publish the cartoons because of the threat of violence. I never said they weren't odious.
natyanayaki 21st-Sep-2012 10:49 am (UTC)
I take issue with the fact that so many are upset over the fact that some LJ users would have preferred for those cartoons to not have been published, without mentioning the fact that the French government has actively been suppressing the right to free speech and the right to protest of the individuals who want to protest the film. And those aren't opinion or statements made by people on the Internet, the government has banned at least two protests. How can one claim to defend freedom of speech when it's only defended on one side, when only one perspective is given a voice?

I don't think that this publication should have been prevented (though I do think that the timing was incredibly selfish and irresponsible given the height of emotions and the violence), I don't think bigoted speech should be silenced because I think that suppressing bigoted speech, allows hate to fester, and hides the hatred. To let it out in the open -might program some people- but if the hatred is addressed and discussed, it would probably improve things over-all. Having said that, the only rights that have been violated, are the rights of the individuals who want to protest the sentiment in the film (and along with that, I assume the years of bigotry the French have directed towards Muslims). It really bothers me that so many in this thread (and I'm not attacking you at all, sorry if it seems so) bring up the freedom of speech without addressing the speech that has been suppressed.
yeats 19th-Sep-2012 11:12 pm (UTC)
lol assholes who know nothing about french history spouting off, i can't even.
the_gabih 20th-Sep-2012 09:48 am (UTC)
I know right? Because France has obvs always treated Islam and Christianity the exact same, and doesn't think that the answer to racism/islamophobia is to ignore race and religion entirely.
theitalianchick 19th-Sep-2012 11:26 pm (UTC)
As an atheist... I don't even know. I'll just keep facepalming at this shitstorm and hope no French citizen gets harmed for this fuckery.
door 20th-Sep-2012 12:48 am (UTC)
Plenty of French citizens have already been harmed. They're Muslim though, so who cares...?

(not you, but France)
queenbathory 20th-Sep-2012 12:55 am (UTC)
I can't with religion
tabaqui 20th-Sep-2012 01:27 am (UTC)
I really can't either. When your religion somehow instills in you that it's okay to commit violence and even murder (The Libyan ambassador, Dr. Tiller) to show how offended or upset you are over something that goes against your religion....

I just can't respect that religion. Well. I really *don't* respect religion at all, but this kind of junk makes me even less respectful. Fanatics suck.
ew_younerd 20th-Sep-2012 01:34 am (UTC)
Religion in these cases cannot be divorced from politics. There is no way to blame "religion" for any of this crap in such a decontextualized way, taking it outside of history and current political+economic climate.

Extremists do not need to be coddled, nor do those with violent political agendas. We can condemn them and not condone their actions while also recognizing what these inflammatory cartoons are,, where they come from, and what environment they are interacting in.

Boiling this down to an issue of "free speech" vs "violent repression of free speech" false dilemma is just as short-sighted as pretending this is mostly about religion.
angelofdeath275 20th-Sep-2012 01:54 am (UTC)
There is no way to blame "religion" for any of this crap in such a decontextualized way, taking it outside of history and current political+economic climate.


But my need to feel like a high-and-mighty atheist is sooooo high right now :(
angelofdeath275 20th-Sep-2012 02:00 am (UTC)
Did all of you liberal atheists fucking forget how grossly islamophobic france is and how they is not simply about the racist cartoon but how this couldve been the last straw for some people

why arent any of you talking about the muslims living is that islamophoic culture. you don't need to talk about the ones inciting violence, why can't you imagine the hurt someone couldve felt seeing their religion shat on by racist assholes

OR IS THAT TOO COMPLICATED

Quite fucking talking about free speech.
girly123 20th-Sep-2012 02:21 am (UTC)
BUT NO FRANCE IS ~SECULAR~ AND THAT'S A GOOD THING DON'T YOU SEE
natyanayaki 21st-Sep-2012 10:52 am (UTC)
This thread seems to have activated stereotyping and bigotry against religious individuals, atheists, straight people, gay/queer people, people of color, and to some degree even to white people. It's quite sad...
lai_choi_san 22nd-Sep-2012 05:58 pm (UTC)
It's quite sad...

I would add : "and scary." :(
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