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Fox News Claims Obama’s Win Triggered ‘Massive Layoffs Across America’

11:49 am - 11/09/2012
Fox News Claims Obama’s Win Triggered ‘Massive Layoffs Across America’



According to Fox News’ Fox Nation website, the re-election of President Obama has triggered a wave of layoffs across the country. Fox Nation is featuring the claim prominently on its website (screenshot above). The evidence? One Utah company owned by a prominent Romney supporter has decided to lay off workers in the wake of election day:

A Utah coal company owned by a vocal critic of President Barack Obama has laid off 102 miners.

The layoffs at the West Ridge Mine are effective immediately, according to UtahAmerican Energy Inc., a subsidiary of Murray Energy Corp. They were announced in a short statement made public Thursday, two days after Obama won re-election.

The layoffs are necessary because of the president’s “war on coal,” the statement said. The slogan is one used frequently during the election by Murray Energy CEO Robert Murray, who was an ardent supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Fox also linked to a series of other unrelated layoff stories, including those announcing layoffs in other countries, as if they proved the point. There are hiring and firings at firms all the time, and Fox presented no evidence that these layoffs were either related to the election or unusual in any sense.

Also, the claim that Obama has launched a “war on coal” is nonsense: coal employment hit a 15 year high last November, and coal jobs are either higher or at the same level as four years ago in West Virginia, Virginia, and Ohio.

The coal CEO laying off workers is the same one who forced his workers to attend a Romney rally in August. Those workers had to forgo a day of pay in order to attend the rally. In the past, Murray has also forced his workers to make campaign donations to Republicans.

Many CEOs threatened their workers with layoffs if Obama won the election. One of the most prominent, Florida timeshare mogul David Siegel, instead gave his workers a raise after Election Day.

But Fox is not only blaming Obama for layoffs. Earlier this week, Fox Business anchor Stuart Varney repeatedly blamed Obama for stock market losses.

UPDATE: One of the laid off workers took to Reddit today to answer questions. He said, “Despite the fact that nothing has changed in the two days since the election they decide to lay off employees. I’ve seen how corrupt the company can be over the years and am fairly certain the layoffs are just a way to make the President look bad.

Source

OP: I have this. I really do. It feels like we're being held as hostages and the officers who are meant to protect us don't give a damn.
lizzelizzel 9th-Nov-2012 09:00 pm (UTC)
My father keeps reposting links to articles like this on his Facebook, as if they are proving his point when really if you read the articles they just make any employer spontaneously laying off employees because Obama was re-elected seem cruel and bitter.
aviv_b 9th-Nov-2012 09:54 pm (UTC)
Perhaps you should copy what I posted below and send it to him.
lilyginny27 9th-Nov-2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
I always think politics can't sink any lower, but then asshats like this guy prove me wrong.
wesleysgirl 9th-Nov-2012 09:12 pm (UTC)
UGH. Some people are so full of shit.
shadowwolf1321 9th-Nov-2012 09:20 pm (UTC)
Wow what asshats.
kitanabychoice 9th-Nov-2012 09:26 pm (UTC)
*facepalm* he just put 102 people out of work for no good reason.

also, wow, that conversation on reddit is surprisingly informative and intellectual. I only ever hear about the asshole of reddit so cue my surprise. XD
shhh_its_s3cr3t 9th-Nov-2012 09:36 pm (UTC)
Where I am in Texas there is a massive amount of people wagging their fingers in an I-told-you-so way with a list of over 100 companies that are planning to lay off people because of the reelection of Obama. Sickens me the joy they feel in "being right" about "this sort of thing happening because of the foolish libtards"

UGH...
furrygreen 9th-Nov-2012 10:00 pm (UTC)
Sickens me the joy they feel in "being right" about "this sort of thing happening because of the foolish libtards"

This attitude is utterly beyond me. I've always sat back and just wondered what they're thinking. His next term starts in Jan, right? It's not even in the second term and they're laying people off. People can't say it's for any other reason than to be asshats.

The idea that CEOs can tell you who to vote for is fucking scary. Saying that is all but announcing their plutocracy. Don't these people have children or other loved ones? It's hard enough to make ends meat now and they try to pull this kind of shit? I have a hard time believing people who tsktsk at this sort of behavior actually love their families. This is the legacy we're handing the next generation: horrible work conditions, no healthcare (if they repeal), and no rights.

I feel the same with healthcare when people moan "but I'm already stretched to the limit! I don't want to pay for some lazy ass!" That's not the point. With how little wages are increasing and the unprecedented profits that drive up the HC costs, will anyone save the ubber rich be able to day for it in ten or twenty years?
layweed 9th-Nov-2012 10:03 pm (UTC)
That's Texas alright. sigh.

Sometimes I wonder why I continue living in this state, despite my intention on staying and turning Texas blue (or swing state, at least)
readyfuels 9th-Nov-2012 09:37 pm (UTC)
This is so disgusting. To just toy with people's lives like it doesn't matter and try and blame the POTUS to distract from them being assholes.
layweed 9th-Nov-2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
The only reason people are being laid off because Obama won is because the CEOs or people in charge of the companies are fucking assholes. This has nothing to do with any policy that suddenly MAGICALLY appeared on everyone's doorstep on November 6/7th. Ugh.
sandstorm 9th-Nov-2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
Exactly. Employers are being spiteful.
aviv_b 9th-Nov-2012 09:53 pm (UTC)
Murray Coal. Hmmm....why does that name ring a bell? Oh yes, that's right, you are the guys who let miners die rather than follow safety rules. If they don't care about their employees' lives, why would anyone think they would care about their jobs.

"Two Murray Energy Co. subsidiaries will pay the third-largest penalty in the history of U.S. coal-mining disasters — almost $950,000 — to settle safety violations that federal regulators said contributed to nine deaths at Utah’s Crandall Canyon mine in August 2007," Mike Gorrell reports for The Salt Lake Tribune. The company has already paid a $500,000 criminal fine.

Murray accepted 17 of the 20 citations that the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration issued after its investigation in July 2008. MSHA levied fines of $1.64 million, and Murray will pay less than 58 percent of that amount. The company said it made the settlement to avoid "a contentious trial" and said evidence at trial would have shown that the violations didn't contribute to the disaster. But Labor Department Solicitor Patricia Smith told Gorrell the firm "acknowledged responsibility for the failures that led to the tragedy at Crandall Canyon. These failures resulted in the needless deaths of nine members of the mining community," including two miners killed in a failed rescue/recovery attempt. "We settled for what we thought we’d have gotten if we tried the case."


MSHA Director Joe Main told the Tribune that Murray admitted to three flagrant violations, the most serious type of infraction. "Two of those involved violations that resulted in the company pleading guilty in March in U.S. District Court to two misdemeanors for willfully violating mine-safety laws," Gorrell notes. "It paid a $500,000 fine to end that criminal case."


nitasee 9th-Nov-2012 10:13 pm (UTC)
So basically these douchebagss committed flagrant violation of safety regulations that got people killed and then turn around and layoff workers while whining that "regulations are killing are business, wah!" Because, God knows, bidness makin' money is more important then the lives of a few lowly peons, er surfs, er workers. Am I right or what?
kitanabychoice 9th-Nov-2012 10:18 pm (UTC)
I hate that a company can still be in business after violating laws that keep people safe. If you can't even bother to care about your employees health and well-being far enough to not actively harm them, at least, then you don't deserve to be in business. Grrr.
nitasee 9th-Nov-2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
The claim that these workers were laid just off because Obama won is bogus. What company is going to lay off workers in that number out of just spite? After all, whose going to do the work? No, there are two reasons I can think of for the layoffs. One, you hired too many people for the amount of work - and considering that it's 100 too many, it sounds like massive mismanagement. Two, the company was already tanking and they would have been fired even if Romney won, but now he waited to do the deed so can blame it on Obama's win just to make an irrational point.

furrygreen 9th-Nov-2012 10:45 pm (UTC)
What company is going to lay off workers in that number out of just spite?

Ahhh... the same companies that make their USA employees train the offshore employee's before laying everyone off? The same companies that go to congress and try to get out of their retirement programs for their employee's? The same companies who fire a father because his daughter has cancer and it cost too much? The companies that ask the gov'n to put a freeze on employee wages while giving the CEO and other top employees HUGE pay increases?

The flaw in your theory here is to assume that we aren't in a recession. A company willing to law off 100 employees in spit doesn't have 100 extra employees. Ah, we're still in that recession. Hundreds of people are applying for jobs *still*. I wouldn't be surprised if he offers their jobs back but at a much lower wage.
nitasee 9th-Nov-2012 10:53 pm (UTC)
The flaw in your theory here is to assume that we aren't in a recession.
Not really. We've been in a recession for sometime and yet that company still kept 100 extra workers? Why didn't they lay them off earlier? I still say they were planning to lay them off no matter who won and waited until after the election to blame it on Obama.
merinnan 10th-Nov-2012 04:08 am (UTC)
I think the point furrygreen is making is not that they had 100 extra workers, but that they know people are scrambling for jobs, so they can lay off 100 people and make it very public that they're doing so (and blame Obama for it), then very quietly turn around and hire/re-hire 100 people.
furrygreen 10th-Nov-2012 05:33 am (UTC)
Yes. This.
nitasee 12th-Nov-2012 02:46 pm (UTC)
Okay, that makes more sense. It's a dickish move to pay workers less and still blame Obama.
furrygreen 10th-Nov-2012 05:31 am (UTC)
The point isn't that they had extra workers. Anyone who forces their employees under threat of there job (as I said) won't have 100 extra employees. HOWEVER, they do know people are scrabbling for jobs. For example, when McD's announced it was looking to hire some 50k people, a million plus people applied. This was less than a year ago.

It's common practice to fire than re-hire at a lower wage (with the threat if you don't like it then you're permanently out of that job.) My own job was classified as a permanent temp to get around healthcare and bennies for a long time. I was officially fired each year for five days than rehired.
nitasee 12th-Nov-2012 03:05 pm (UTC)
Okay, now I get what you're point is. It's still a dickish move. I bet he would have done it anyway, but he waited till he could blame Obama. It also lets him rub salt in the wounds by telling his employees it's your fault for electing him.
furrygreen 12th-Nov-2012 04:16 pm (UTC)
Everything is Obama's fault. It gets SO old, ya know? XD Like his response to Hurricane Sandy. He responded too quickly. He didn't respond quick enough. If he'd waited somewhere in the middle of those two, it would've been better for his political career. He only won because of the hurricane. God sent the hurricane because of him. Bleh.

To fire and re-hire is very, very common here. Hell, companies will fire their employees and "import" workers from India or the likes than complain that they had to do it because no one here knows computers (which then people go to school and graduate to find those companies were just giving excuses to have cheaper green-card labor.)
amyura 10th-Nov-2012 03:25 pm (UTC)
I think you're absolutely right. Lay them off, hope they "learn" never to vote for anyone with a D after his or her name again, and then rehire them because without the work they do you'll go out of business.
sio 9th-Nov-2012 10:42 pm (UTC)
i'm not of the "lawsuit is the answer to everything" mind, but i would love to see tons of class-action lawsuits brought against these assholes for using Obama as their excuse to dump employees.
candybouquet 9th-Nov-2012 11:03 pm (UTC)
lmao but what if the people that got laid off voted for Romney?
bacchae23 9th-Nov-2012 11:19 pm (UTC)
Romney still lost...so OBVIOUSLY it was the employees' faults, because if they all voted pro-Romney, he'd totes be president because he was perfect for the job. So somewhere in that employee rol lcall was the one traitor who didn't believe in pro-business and pro-big corporations because maybe he was on food stamps or had a shitty wage or shitty healthcare or something and was living off the government dime.

Or something like that logic. :/

It doesn't have to make sense. It just has to make assholes feel like they've been victimized by the great Obama evil.

Edited at 2012-11-09 11:20 pm (UTC)
candybouquet 9th-Nov-2012 11:21 pm (UTC)
One bad apple ruins it all!!1

Somehow I don't think the best way to prove your point about Obama not generating more jobs is by deliberately fire people out of spite.

Then again, like you said, probably not much logic/sense going on here.

Edited at 2012-11-09 11:22 pm (UTC)
bacchae23 10th-Nov-2012 12:47 am (UTC)
Yup. Irrational people are rarely known for being rational.

Aie! Sprinting towards Hell, yea verily.
ceilidh 10th-Nov-2012 12:57 am (UTC)
Don't blame the layoffs on Obama, blame them on managers/owners who are assholes.
karma_aster 10th-Nov-2012 01:01 am (UTC)
Please. This asshat was gonna lay the employees off anyway. Citing Obama's reelection is just a pathetic attempt to evade blame.

"Party of Personal Responsibilty" my ass.
fishnet_hamster 10th-Nov-2012 01:11 am (UTC)
If you're an adult and you know you're going to have a temper tantrum, you need to do it in an empty room, or anywhere that other people won't be affected by your tantrum.

Punch a damn pillow. Don't take out your petty anger on innocent people.
rhysande 10th-Nov-2012 05:43 am (UTC)
Frankly, I think this is more about voter intimidation: Remember these layoffs in 2014 when the next election rolls around! If you don't fill the House and Senate with Republicans there'll be even more layoffs!
hinoema 10th-Nov-2012 07:26 am (UTC)
According to Fox News..

Like I would trust a word that came out of their mouths.

Of course these layoffs are for political gain. The Republicans think everyone is essentially cannon fodder for the next election. We have to stand up to them.
mingemonster 10th-Nov-2012 11:14 am (UTC)
Even if Romney had won, Obama would still be president
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