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Israeli airstrikes on Gaza, as it happened 15th Nov

3:47 pm - 11/17/2012
A rocket launched by Palestinian militants towards Israel makes its way from a densely populated civilian area in the northern Gaza Strip, seen from the Israel Gaza Border, southern Israel. This may explain to anyone interested why there are and always will be palestinian casualties.



Source - The Hindu

The article is the usual summary of hostilities between the two parties, but in this case the picture is definitely worth a thousand words.

Israel has attacked more than 200 targets in the Gaza Strip since the killing of Hamas military commander-in-chief Ahmed Ja’abari, an army spokesman in Tel Aviv said on Thursday.

The Safa news agency of the Islamist movement that rules Gaza said the death toll in the attacks had risen to 11 Palestinians after three members of the Qassam Brigades died in a pre-dawn raid in the southern Gaza Strip.

Two children and a pregnant woman were among the dead, it said, adding that more than 100 people were injured since the attacks began on Wednesday afternoon. Israel used F-16 war planes, Apache helicopter gunships and naval vessels to shell targets.



About 105 targets were hit before midnight, and more than another 100 were hit overnight, the Israeli army said. Many of them were rocket-launching sites and pits, the army spokesman said.

Rocket fire against Israel continued with scores landing since Wednesday and sirens wailing repeatedly in towns and cities within a range of 40 kilometres from the Gaza Strip.

Batteries of Israel’s Iron Dome short-range missile defence system downed 31 missiles over southern Israel fired by Palestinian armed groups, the army said.

Israeli aircraft dropped leaflets over the coastal enclave, warning civilians to stay away from facilities of Palestinian militant groups.

“Important announcement for the residents of the Gaza Strip,” said the leaflets. “For your own safety, take responsibility for yourselves and avoid being present in the vicinity of Hamas operatives and facilities and those of other terror organizations that pose a risk to your safety.”
poetic_pixie_13 18th-Nov-2012 01:48 am (UTC)
A rocket launched by Palestinian militants towards Israel makes its way from a densely populated civilian area in the northern Gaza Strip, seen from the Israel Gaza Border, southern Israel. This may explain to anyone interested why there are and always will be Palestinian casualties.

Considering that Gaza is one of the most densely populated places, if not the most densely populated place, on earth, that's not surprising. Personally I think there'll always be Palestinian casualties because you have one of the strongest militaries in the world going against folks under occupation who have rockets and rocks. Just a shade of imbalance in power, I think.

Death is tragic no matter who it is that dies. None of the lives lost are weighed differently because of the land that was under their feet when they fell. But please don't pretend like this is some kind of proportional response to anything.
redstar826 18th-Nov-2012 01:59 am (UTC)
what would be considered a proportional response? I'm trying to learn more about this conflict and I see lots of references to proportionate and disproportionate responses without either of those terms being clearly defined.
clarrisani 18th-Nov-2012 04:45 am (UTC)
Have to love the Israeli targets - mosques, schools, football stadiums, innocent people on motorbikes...
wolffsekunde Not sure if serious.18th-Nov-2012 02:06 pm (UTC)
Assuming you're not being sarcastic here. But I really do hope at least part of this is sarcastic. If you honestly think Israel is just indiscriminately targeting civilian targets then your level of disconnect from reality to far too large to make Internet commenting safe for you. Put down the laptop, turn off your router and please go sit on your couch until batshit theories like that stop occurring to you.

Plus, and this is more sarcasm than not, but even if Israel were indiscriminately targeting civilians wouldn't that make this whole thing far more proportionate? Militants launch hundreds of rockets at civilians, Israel returns in kind. Or is that not the right kind of proportion that people keep looking for.
jwaneeta 18th-Nov-2012 06:38 am (UTC)
I hate Israel. These decades of atrocities have made me hate Israel. I wish the US would cut diplomatic ties.
gruimed 18th-Nov-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
That was my point exactly - people that hate Israel side with people that fire rockets from schools and hospitals.
slurp 18th-Nov-2012 12:49 pm (UTC)
“Important announcement for the residents of the Gaza Strip,” said the leaflets. “For your own safety, take responsibility for yourselves and avoid being present in the vicinity of Hamas operatives and facilities and those of other terror organizations that pose a risk to your safety.


Easier said than done tbh.
gruimed 18th-Nov-2012 07:17 pm (UTC)
So justify them? Nice.
ellenel13 18th-Nov-2012 02:16 pm (UTC)
fucking hell, everytime something goes on in the israeli-palestine conflict, you show up to tell everyone that israel is benevolent and hepless when it comes to retaliating to hamas attacks by murdering palestinian civilians

just fuck off and be sure that as long as the christian right has such power in american politics, israel will continue to get undisputed aid from the USA even if they were to directly shit on palestinian children's mouths
hinoema 18th-Nov-2012 03:05 pm (UTC)
fucking hell, everytime something goes on in the israeli-palestine conflict, you show up to tell everyone that israel is benevolent and hepless when it comes to retaliating to hamas attacks by murdering palestinian civilians

He's their PR guy.
gruimed 18th-Nov-2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
So you side with people that build rocket launch sites in schools and hospitals. Bravo!
homasse 19th-Nov-2012 02:00 am (UTC)
'Sup, Gruimed. I was wondering how long before you showed up. I'm honestly surprised it took this long. You're slacking.

Edited at 2012-11-19 02:01 am (UTC)
hinoema 19th-Nov-2012 06:35 am (UTC)
Yup. No holiday bonus for that one. *tsk*
gruimed 19th-Nov-2012 09:55 am (UTC)
Guys, you are amazing! Even in this post which is about Hamas firing rockets from homes and schools you find a way to demonize Israel and sympathise with terrorists.

Bravo!

I kinda like it that shitheads like you hate Israel, it just proves one more time that we are the good ones.

Ciao.
the_gabih 19th-Nov-2012 11:08 am (UTC)
that we are the good ones.

When you stop murdering children and pregnant women, we'll believe that.
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