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A decisive conclusion is necessary

11:33 am - 11/19/2012
A decisive conclusion is necessary
There is no middle path here – either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip.

Anyone who thinks Hamas is going to beg for a cease-fire, that Operation Pillar of Defense will draw to a close and quiet will reign in the South because we hit targets in the Gaza Strip, needs to think again.

With the elimination of a murderous terrorist and the destruction of Hamas’s long-range missile stockpile, the operation was off to an auspicious start, but what now? This must not be allowed to end as did Operation Cast Lead: We bomb them, they fire missiles at us, and then a cease-fire, followed by “showers” – namely sporadic missile fire and isolated incidents along the fence. Life under such a rain of death is no life at all, and we cannot allow ourselves to become resigned to it.

A strong opening isn’t enough, you also have to know how to finish – and finish decisively. If it isn’t clear whether the ball crossed the goal-line or not, the goal isn’t decisive. The ball needs to hit the net, visible to all. What does a decisive victory sound like? A Tarzan-like cry that lets the entire jungle know in no uncertain terms just who won, and just who was defeated.

To accomplish this, you need to achieve what the other side can’t bear, can’t live with, and our initial bombing campaign isn’t it.

THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.

The Gaza Strip functions as a state – it has a government and conducts foreign relations, there are schools, medical facilities, there are armed forces and all the other trappings of statehood. We have no territorial conflict with “Gaza State,” and it is not under Israeli siege – it shares a border with Egypt. Despite this, it fires on our citizens without restraint.

Why do our citizens have to live with rocket fire from Gaza while we fight with our hands tied? Why are the citizens of Gaza immune? If the Syrians were to open fire on our towns, would we not attack Damascus? If the Cubans were to fire at Miami, wouldn’t Havana suffer the consequences? That’s what’s called “deterrence” – if you shoot at me, I’ll shoot at you. There is no justification for the State of Gaza being able to shoot at our towns with impunity. We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.

There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire.

Were this to happen, the images from Gaza might be unpleasant – but victory would be swift, and the lives of our soldiers and civilians spared.

IF THE government isn’t prepared to go all the way on this, it will mean reoccupying the entire Gaza Strip. Not a few neighborhoods in the suburbs, as with Cast Lead, but the entire Strip, like in Defensive Shield, so that rockets can no longer be fired.

There is no middle path here – either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip. Otherwise there will be no decisive victory. And we’re running out of time – we must achieve victory quickly. The Netanyahu government is on a short international leash. Soon the pressure will start – and a million civilians can’t live under fire for long. This needs to end quickly – with a bang, not a whimper.

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The writer, whom I currently think is evil, is the son of former PM of Israel Ariel Sharon.

He certainly isn't alone in his thinking; according to a HuffPo article: Israel's Deputy Prime Minister Eli Yishai is reported by The Yeshiva World News to have said, "We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages, destroying all the infrastructure including roads and water." Haaretz also reports that Yishai stated, "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages."

So far, 73 Palestinians and 3 Israelis have died.
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mimblexwimble 19th-Nov-2012 02:58 am (UTC)
Fucking hell.
wingstar102 19th-Nov-2012 03:06 am (UTC)
Fuck this guy. Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza, but nobody will deal with them because the Israeli government says they're terrorists because Hamas has the audacity to protest Israel breaking the treaty established boundaries. Palestinians have no voice to the international communities and this is the only way they have to call attention to the illegal blockades and encroachment and deaths they are enduring. Hate this shit and every government who backs any option except diplomacy is tacitly agreeing with the disproportionate response that Israel is making.

Edited at 2012-11-19 03:06 am (UTC)
metanoiame 19th-Nov-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
Well, the Israeli government calls Hamas terrorists because they kill Israeli civilians - much like the Israelis kill Palestinian civilians - not just because Hamas "has the audacity to protest." Obviously, Israel has a much wider international backing and uses much more disproportionate force in the war, but it doesn't do any good to whitewash the situation.
bitterzippy 19th-Nov-2012 03:10 am (UTC)
SMH. I just can't.
ms_maree sortave OT but not19th-Nov-2012 03:10 am (UTC)
I'm really interested to see how Egypt handles things if Israel keeps escalating the situation. I'm guessing Morsi is under a lot of pressure to do something.

Edited at 2012-11-19 03:10 am (UTC)
shadwing Re: sortave OT but not19th-Nov-2012 01:52 pm (UTC)
From what I have gathered...Egypt has enough on its plate getting it's own crap in line thanks to the Arab Spring. When that happened, Isteal lost it's only real ally in the Middle East.
natyanayaki 19th-Nov-2012 03:17 am (UTC)
Trying to tell me that https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/295697_467240969984674_476932779_n.jpg wasn't innocent?!?!?!?!?! Really??
natgel 19th-Nov-2012 09:13 pm (UTC)
Don't worry, nobody likes him here all that much either.
metanoiame 19th-Nov-2012 03:29 am (UTC)
I've heard those exact same sentiments repeated by so many acquaintances from Israel. It's awful and terrifying.
ntensity 19th-Nov-2012 03:35 am (UTC)
"THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences."

Wow. This part is too much. The truly innocent? Really?
romp 19th-Nov-2012 05:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, "truly innocent" stood out and I stopped reading there. Sounds like some people are more equal/innocent/important than others.
beetlebums 19th-Nov-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
Can Israel vote these fuckers out?
natyanayaki 19th-Nov-2012 03:51 am (UTC)
I don't think Gilad Sharon hold office (I did a quick google search on him, didn't find anything that indicate that he is), but the Netanyahu's Party Likud, I've heard is the conservative party and does better in elections when Israelis believe there's a threat to their security. If true that gives another side to the recent attacks. Was the Netanyahu regime trying to incite violence/fear in order to get re-election in January?
kagehikario 19th-Nov-2012 04:57 am (UTC)
soleiltropiques 19th-Nov-2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
Love this gif, personally.
wikilobbying 19th-Nov-2012 05:14 am (UTC)
there is so much "ummmm" and "no" and "wow fuck you" to be had here, i can't even. this asshat has some fucking nerve.
homasse Re: do you think that this is evil as well?19th-Nov-2012 07:00 am (UTC)
You can stop any time now.
homasse Re: and what do yu think about this?19th-Nov-2012 06:58 am (UTC)
What do I think?

I think: "And this relates HOW?"

Oh, wait! It doesn't.

Sit down.
doverz 19th-Nov-2012 06:31 am (UTC)
So the last Israel/Palestine thread was a major clusterfuck. And I see that it will be starting again.
astridmyrna 19th-Nov-2012 06:36 am (UTC)
All I can say is:
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kyra_neko_rei 19th-Nov-2012 06:39 am (UTC)
Life under such a rain of death is no life at all, and we cannot allow ourselves to become resigned to it.

Life under such a rain of death is no life at all, so maybe you should reconsider directing a similar rain of death on other human beings.

THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.

Children can vote in Gaza? Really?

(PS: I highly doubt that Hamas only considers it acceptable to fire off rockets because they were elected. You just called them terrorists, and you should fucking know that that's not how terrorists work.)

We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. . . . There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire. . . . Were this to happen, the images from Gaza might be unpleasant – but victory would be swift, and the lives of our soldiers and civilians spared.

Oh, sure, "victory" would be swift, at the cost of opening up an abyss of festering resentment, such that the terrorists wouldn't even have to recruit---to say nothing of what those . . . unpleasant images . . . would do to undermine your international support.

There is no middle path here – either the Gazans and their infrastructure are made to pay the price, or we reoccupy the entire Gaza Strip. Otherwise there will be no decisive victory.

Fuck your decisive victory. Try going for the goal of peace.
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