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Hobby Lobby Must Cover Contraception For Employees, Judge Rules

10:01 am - 11/20/2012
A federal judge ruled Monday night that the Hobby Lobby craft store chain must offer its 13,000 employees contraceptive coverage without a co-pay, as mandated by Obamacare.

Hobby Lobby sued to deny such coverage in September, citing conservative evangelical owner David Green’s personal religious objections to certain types of birth control that fall under Obamacare’s contraception mandate. In particular, the company sought to deny its employees coverage for the morning after pill, commonly known as Plan B.

But on Monday night, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied the request in a 28-page ruling, pointing out that religious institutions have already been given exemptions from covering contraception, and that Hobby Lobby does not qualify since it is a private business:
“However, Hobby Lobby and Mardel [its partner company] are not religious organizations,” the ruling states. “Plaintiffs have not cited, and the court has not found, any case concluding that secular, for-profit corporations such as Hobby Lobby and Mardel have a constitutional right to the free exercise of religion.”

Hobby Lobby’s attorney said the companies’ owners, the Green family, plan to appeal.
“Every American, including family business owners like the Greens, should be free to live and do business according to their religious beliefs,” Kyle Duncan, general counsel for the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, said in a statement.

Just last week, a different federal judge issued an injunction over the contraception mandate in Obamacare, siding with religious employers of a private company. But Judge Heaton’s assessment of the law is correct: While non-profit religious institutions are already exempt from the mandate, private businesses do not have the same exemption.

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chaya 20th-Nov-2012 04:39 pm (UTC)


Suck it.
layweed 20th-Nov-2012 04:42 pm (UTC)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT BUT FREEDOM!!!!!!!! OPPRESSION!!!!!!!!! OTHER THINGS THAT MAKE NO SENSE BUT WILL BE CRIED!!!!!!!!!

girlwonderrobin 20th-Nov-2012 05:07 pm (UTC)
And this is what the Supreme Court will say in response.

kitanabychoice 20th-Nov-2012 04:42 pm (UTC)
Welp, since they're going to appeal, it looks like I'll be boycotting Hobby Lobby for that much longer. Which isn't a loss on my part, there so many local craft shops that are much, much better anyway. I just think it's stupid that my employer gets to choose whether my insurance covers something I use regularly or not -- this, really, is the reason we need insurance decoupled from employment.

Edited at 2012-11-20 04:45 pm (UTC)
moonbladem 20th-Nov-2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
I just think it's stupid that my employer gets to choose whether my insurance covers something I use regularly or not.

THIS!
shortsweetcynic 20th-Nov-2012 04:46 pm (UTC)


EAT IT, HOBBY LOBBY.
pepsquad 20th-Nov-2012 05:16 pm (UTC)
love love love love happy baby gif
ultraelectric 20th-Nov-2012 04:55 pm (UTC)
I have semi-mixed feelings on this, like I totally believe they should cover birth control, but at the same time I feel like, it's not a secret that they are Christian-based so for people to be mad that they don't want to cover something like birth control just makes me laugh.

Though, I'm curious what their company policy is regarding their faith and whatnot, because if they don't set that in stone than they are misleading their employees and therefor have to get the fuck over it and pay up for the birth control.

Anyways, I'm not feeling well so I hope this all made sense. lol
shadwing 20th-Nov-2012 05:26 pm (UTC)
Welp there are already laws on the books, that if you are a pubic business and employer you cannot discrimate against customers or prospective employees based on religious view.

They can not have in the employee handbook stating you must follow X Religion, that's illegal. they only way to skirt the laws is to have a small family business...IE only staffed by members of your family.
girlwonderrobin 20th-Nov-2012 04:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, Hobby Lobby, you're going to appeal? Please, do tell us more about how you support less government involvement in the private sector.





darth_eldritch 20th-Nov-2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
Seriously. How much time and resources have they already taken from the government and citizens on this?
executivehpfan 20th-Nov-2012 05:02 pm (UTC)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.




Ha.
sio 20th-Nov-2012 05:08 pm (UTC)
man, you beat me to posting this one!

i have a Boycott HL page liked on FB and we're all laughing it up over there. waiting for the influx of trolls to come scream at us since their precious hypocrites lost.

pay up, Hobby Lobby, and shove your hypocrisy up your ass.
darth_eldritch 20th-Nov-2012 05:13 pm (UTC)
That's the price of free trade, bud. You have to respect the religious freedom of others. Or the freedom from your religion.
vulturoso 20th-Nov-2012 05:13 pm (UTC)
So tired of people thinking I give two shits about their beliefs. If you don't like something, fine. But fuck you if you think it should have any impact on my life.
girlwonderrobin 20th-Nov-2012 05:19 pm (UTC)
I don't see why it matters. Nobody's forcing oral contraception down their throats or a nuvaring/IUD into their uterus. It's none of their business.
moonbladem 20th-Nov-2012 05:18 pm (UTC)
“Every American, including family business owners like the Greens, should be free to live and do business according to their religious beliefs,” Kyle Duncan, general counsel for the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, said in a statement.

What you really mean, is that every American, including family business owners like the Greens, should be free to impose their own religious beliefs on their employees, right?
eyetosky 20th-Nov-2012 08:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the lack of self awareness is almost astounding. I can imagine their thought process taking a baby step towards continuing the thought process, and then backpedalling furiously.
thelilyqueen 20th-Nov-2012 05:21 pm (UTC)
“However, Hobby Lobby and Mardel [its partner company] are not religious organizations,” the ruling states. “Plaintiffs have not cited, and the court has not found, any case concluding that secular, for-profit corporations such as Hobby Lobby and Mardel have a constitutional right to the free exercise of religion.”

I want to plaster this pretty much everywhere. If you want to operate a for profit business, open to the public, etc., you gotta play by the rules when it comes to employment law.
rhysande 20th-Nov-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
This is the crux of the matter. A business for profit, even when owned and run by a religious organization, is not a religious organization.
tabaqui 20th-Nov-2012 05:26 pm (UTC)
HA. Screw them.
beautyofgrey 20th-Nov-2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
I don't even understand their argument. They're paying their employees money, which can be used to purchase birth control. How is purchasing the benefit that is required to cover it that much different? Especially since there is no guarantee the employee will use the coverage (just as there's no guarantee they'd use the money from their paychecks to cover it).

In the long run, it would probably save Hobby Lobby money by reducing the number of days lost (when you have a pregnant employee) and, in that regard, boost employee efficiency and productivity and profits.
cindyanne1 20th-Nov-2012 05:49 pm (UTC)
Now you did it... you've put all kinds of ideas in their heads. Now they're going to be all like WAIT WAIT I CAN'T PAY MY EMPLOYEES ACTUAL MONEY ANY MORE. THEY MAY BUY SOMETHING I DON'T AGREE WITH and want to pay them in coupons or some shit.
aviv_b 20th-Nov-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
World's smallest violin for you Hobby Lobby.
darth_eldritch 20th-Nov-2012 06:13 pm (UTC)


I couldn't resist.
lil_insanity 20th-Nov-2012 06:11 pm (UTC)
BAZINGA!
hellaine 20th-Nov-2012 06:27 pm (UTC)
On FB: "Praying Hobby Lobby wins the appeal."

I wish I lived a life where that was my top prayer for the day (were I to believe in the Christian god).
kaosspad 20th-Nov-2012 06:32 pm (UTC)
Slightly related?: I have an uncle who believes that because the phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear in the Constitution, it is not valid in this day and age. *head desk*
rex_dart 20th-Nov-2012 06:35 pm (UTC)
hopping in my delorean and going back in time to inform the founders that they need to make sure they encapsulate all their constitutional concepts in catchphrases of five words or less or in a couple of centuries they'll be tl;dr and won't count anymore.
quixotic_coffee 20th-Nov-2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
I don't get why non-profit religious institutions are exempt. Yes I work at a Catholic non-profit healthcare organization because Catholic healthcare organizations make up a lot of healthcare organizations. They don't require me to be Catholic though so why should their beliefs apply to me? Either way as my employer they're still paying for my birth control.

But yeah, yay for this ruling!
hey_mayonegg 21st-Nov-2012 04:52 am (UTC)
deal with it

shhh_its_s3cr3t 21st-Nov-2012 06:50 am (UTC)
Oh yeahhhh suck it!!! Bless them! :D
dienaid 22nd-Nov-2012 02:36 am (UTC)
Hobby Lobby employee here. Very happy to see that this illogical refusal to have Plan B covered isn't working out with them! I expected it would go this way after the other federal ruling a few weeks ago.
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