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Happy Now?: ‘Good Employee’ Lindsey Stone Fired Over Facebook Photo

8:39 pm - 11/22/2012
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An earnest, yet ultimately toothless last-ditch effort to save Lindsey Stone from termination proved no match for the thousands clamoring for her head.

The 30-year-old Massachusetts native, who gained overnight infamy for posting a Facebook photo of herself mock-disrespecting the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier while on a work-related trip to Arlington National Cemetery, was unceremoniously fired by her employer yesterday after it was reportedly inundated with angry emails and calls.



LIFE (Living Independent Forever), a Cape Cod-based nonprofit organization that assists adults with learning disabilities, released the following statement on its own Facebook page:

We wish to announce that the two employees recently involved in the Arlington Cemetery incident are no longer employees of LIFE. Again, we deeply regret any disrespect to members of the military and their families. The incident and publicity has been very upsetting to the learning disabled population we serve. To protect our residents, any comments, however well-intentioned, will be deleted. We appreciate your concern and understanding as we focus on the care of our community.

Speaking with a local Fox affiliate, LIFE director Diane Enochs said Stone had been with the group for 18 month, and was a "good employee."

Stone and fired co-worker Jamie Schuh, her now-former supervisor and the person who snapped the photo, released their own joint statement, apologizing again for the gag:

We never meant any disrespect to any of the people nationwide who have served this country and defended our freedom so valiantly.

Meanwhile, the question posed in the initial post still lingers: Should Stone be made to suffer potential unemployability for a bad joke posted on her personal, private Facebook page? For many, it seems, the answer is, without question, a resounding yes.

Not only did over 30,000 voluntarily join a group devoted to her firing (now deleted), but a further 3,000 signed a petition demanding the same.

"She's devastated," Stone's father told the Boston Herald. And her future might be, too.
I'm wondering what everyone thinks of this. Granted she did it while she was on the clock, on the other hand... this is going a little overboard and once it's online you know that is never ever going away.

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tiddlywinks103 23rd-Nov-2012 03:26 am (UTC)
Too much. Especially since it was on her private Facebook, not a work-related one. This sucks for her.
idemandjustice 23rd-Nov-2012 04:21 pm (UTC)
When these things get posted publicly, they reflect on your employer. It's not unusual at all for this to happen these days. It's not hard to lock this shit. Or, maybe not be an ass, and just don't do this stupid, disrespectful shit in the first place.
layweed 23rd-Nov-2012 03:28 am (UTC)
never meant any disrespect...right.

i totally agree that the website against her is going overboard though.
hr0nk 23rd-Nov-2012 03:36 am (UTC)
Personally I think it's a little grating that she's doing this shit at the frikkin' Arlington National Cemetary, especially in front of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier -- that's pretty offensive to everyone involved, but I'm from a military family so that's just my view point.

My HR manager would have a freaking field day over this if she was actually there for work (i.e.: oldies field trip). She probably violated a few policies in her employee handbook, so no wonder the company fired her.

If she was off the clock, they really SHOULDN'T care but so few companies are that good.
blueburndown 23rd-Nov-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
She was infact on a field trip for work when that photo was taken. Even better it was taken by her supervisor. Who was also fired.
lil_insanity 23rd-Nov-2012 03:37 am (UTC)
Wow, that website against her is horrible.
lisasimpsonfan 23rd-Nov-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
I don't agree with the web site because I never think publishing peoples private info in this kind of situation is right but I don't feel bad about her losing her job.
ginmar 24th-Nov-2012 08:49 pm (UTC)
I kind of do. And I'm retired military. Freedom of speech means all speech, and I think the whole weight of the internet crashing down on her was unfair. She's one stupid person, it's hardly a fair fight. It's just such a stupid thing to do that that's what gets to me. I mean....why?! This is her idea of a good thing to do? Huh?

When you join the military you swear to defend the US Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, and she had every right to do what she did. But she did it on company time, and so I can understand why her boss canned her. Still, I don't like that thousands of people went after two women who were acting stupidly. Christ, when I think of how many stupid things I've done.....
hammersxstrings 23rd-Nov-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
Personally, I think her actions are abhorrent, BUT, there's a lot of dickish people out there, and I'm not sure people should be able to blacklisted/fired because of poor taste.


However. This was a work trip. It's a matter of how her actions reflect on her employer. In this case, termination was probably appropriate. I hope it doesn't affect her future possible employment; sh should also probably think twice about posting things like this on a social networking sites. I know I very, very rarely post any photos on FB because I'm friends with work people, amongst others, and there needs to be some semblance of sense when you post stuff that may piss people off.

And wow, I didn't see the thing about the separate website. Ugh, that's over the line.

Edited at 2012-11-23 03:41 am (UTC)
shadwing 23rd-Nov-2012 03:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah I don't know HOW many times I have to tell my fellow co-workers "There is no such thing as 'Private' on Facebook. ESPECIALLY if you have coworkers Friended." Yesh.
winniechili 23rd-Nov-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
She may have been a good employee but she is also clearly a giant dumbass.
ginmar 24th-Nov-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
darth_eldritch 23rd-Nov-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
This was a pretty tasteless stunt, IMHO. It's hard for me to feel sympathetic for her. She did something stupid that would potentially offend many people on company time and she got fired for it. But, really, the backlash against her has gone overboard.
lil_insanity 23rd-Nov-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
I agree with you. I don't feel bad about her being fired for being an idiot, but the giant internet gangpile and posting of her personal information is downright scary.
romp 23rd-Nov-2012 03:56 am (UTC)
I haven't seen the site nor any backlash but I'm not surprised she was fired. It would be bad if she worked for a bank or something similar but a nonprofit?! LIFE can't afford something like that linked to their group.

If I were her, I'd be devastated but also know I brought it on myself.
recorded 23rd-Nov-2012 03:57 am (UTC)
what. the site you linked with all the myspace/facebook/deviantart creeping. this reminds me to get to work on deleting all my information that connects my accounts.

The Psychology of Lindsey Stone

After looking threw her online accounts and photos, I get the idea that Lindsay Stone is sort of a quiet rebel. She wasn’t the popular one in high school and spent a lot of time at home. She enjoys art and being by herself. She is 30 but yet still hasn’t managed to become an independent adult. In fact, she is pretty far from independent now since she got “unpaid leave” for the Facebook photo.

I imagined that she is just bored and restless. She most likely hasn’t done any big achievements in her life and she definitely wasn’t a servicewomen. It is debatable if she has low self-esteem but everyone is sure she does not have high self-esteem.

She is probably very, very worried how such a small thing like a photo during a work trip resulted in all this attention. Oh well, I hope you learn a lesson Lindsey: the Internet is a public domain.


Edited at 2012-11-23 04:00 am (UTC)
sfrlz 23rd-Nov-2012 04:27 am (UTC)
that's extremely creepy o_O
angi_is_altered 23rd-Nov-2012 04:05 am (UTC)
She is an asshole for doing that. End of story. Glad she got fired.
freebrook 23rd-Nov-2012 04:07 am (UTC)
boo freaking hoo for her. She'll get another job...eventually.
window_girl 23rd-Nov-2012 04:13 am (UTC)
Joke/whatever was in bad taste...

But this is why you don't post anything to Facebook you wouldn't want to shove in other peoples' faces after running right up to them.

Even if it is a private profile.
sfrlz 23rd-Nov-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
The "if you wouldn't say it in front of your grandmother, don't say it" rule applies to the internet as well... even more so because everything you post is essentially permanent.
kitanabychoice 23rd-Nov-2012 04:35 am (UTC)
Not really feeling bad about her getting fired, but wow on that site. It's full of ... scary-level internet digging and that last bit trying to play armchair psychologist is especially gross. I get the feeling like this site is trying to even paint her as unAmerican for her stunt too. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
____jonas 23rd-Nov-2012 04:43 am (UTC)
"Her DeviantArt profile says that she likes all types of music, except Country music–the most American genre."

I can't.

I agree she deserved to be fired for doing that on company time, but wtf is this.
nesmith 23rd-Nov-2012 04:36 am (UTC)
I hope someday this technology will have been around long enough for people to finally get some smarts when it comes to posting things where--friends lock or no--they can be seen by everyone. I can't have a whole lot of sympathy because if she hadn't been stupid she probably wouldn't have lost her job.

mahsox_mahsox 23rd-Nov-2012 04:44 am (UTC)
She's a fool, and fools screw up.

Sad that there are so many good causes that don't get nearly as much support as the dubious cause of sacking one fool from her shitty job.
angry_chick 23rd-Nov-2012 04:51 am (UTC)
I'm not paying much attention to the website. As far as the canning, tough shit.
moonshaz 23rd-Nov-2012 07:15 am (UTC)
Pretty much this.
grazie 23rd-Nov-2012 05:27 am (UTC)
What bothers me about her reaction at first was that she tried to play it off as though this wasn't a big deal, that people shouldn't be offended because they clearly didn't care when she posted a picture of her smoking while standing next to a 'No Smoking' sign.

I don't care about whether she was fired or not, but that was the actual upsetting part to me. Otherwise, this would have just been a dumbass move.
ginmar 25th-Nov-2012 01:53 pm (UTC)
I sort of get the feeling that this is the act of somebody who'd say, "Sorry you feel that way." She was within her rights to express herself and so was her boss in firing her. But the onslought (dammit, spellcheck, it is TOO a word!) that resulted was all out of proportion, though I wonder how many people who objected had family and friends lying at Arlington.
bowtomecha 23rd-Nov-2012 05:31 am (UTC)
Work field trip? Most certainly allowable to fire her. Stupidity is not a disability and shouldn't be defended.
yndigot 23rd-Nov-2012 05:43 am (UTC)
When they say it was her private FB page, do they mean private as in 'associated with her private (not work) life' or private as in 'she had it locked and the only reason this got out is because someone she trusted reposted it all over the place'. If the second, I feel slightly more sorry for her, although either way she still shouldn't have been behaving this way (especially while on a work related trip) or posting this online (because some people do repost private, locked content sometimes).

The extent of the backlash is definitely gross and unnecessary, but the firing seems reasonable, especially since this seems to have happened on the clock.
idemandjustice 23rd-Nov-2012 04:48 pm (UTC)
I was wondering that too. I assumed it was public, and I really hope that was the case, or else I'm really disturbed.
possiblyevil 23rd-Nov-2012 05:59 am (UTC)
Wow. The lengths that some people are going to over this is ridiculous.
yeats 23rd-Nov-2012 06:05 am (UTC)
no sympathy for her being fired, but i wish the internet could show this much solidarity with veterans in a concrete way, instead of just hounding some woman.
coyotesuspect 23rd-Nov-2012 07:13 am (UTC)
Hey now - I'm sure many of the people hounding her also have ~yellow ribbon car magnets~ and post nice facebook statuses about ~how thankful~ they are for the troops on Veterans' Day.
roseofjuly 23rd-Nov-2012 06:47 am (UTC)
First of all, she was on the clock.

Second of all, she was doing something stupid, mean, and disrespectful for no reason. I do resent the creep of employers into personal lives - and I don't think employers should be asking people for Facebook passwords before hiring people and things like that. But when you put something out there publicly for everyone to see - something as stupid as this - and get fired for it? You deserve what you get, IMO. It's not even like she's a young innocent - she's 30 years old, she should know better.

And from a more personal standpoint, she took pictures mocking and disrespecting the tomb dedicated to soldiers who died in service to our country, but died and no one knows who they are. However you feel about war, that's the ultimate sacrifice. Why would you make this gesture to those people?
synthesizia 23rd-Nov-2012 07:05 am (UTC)
Relevant:
I just discovered a really creepy website and I'm sure there's more of them out there.
http://www.peekyou.com/
Just type in the username you're associated with and it might have your personal information associated with it. I know I'm going around and deleting some accounts.
moonshaz 23rd-Nov-2012 07:16 am (UTC)
Yeesh. Thanks for this.
coyotesuspect 23rd-Nov-2012 07:09 am (UTC)
Damn, if only all the people so fucking concerned about a facebook photo ~disrespecting the armed forces~ actually did shit to support veterans and military families.

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