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Third Elmo Accuser Surfaces,

11:18 pm - 11/26/2012
Says Kevin Clash Engaged In “Some Sexual Activity” With Him When He Was 16

Taylor Berman

Poor Elmo: Earlier today, a third man announced a lawsuit against Kevin Clash, accusing the Elmo voice actor of instigating a relationship with the man in 2000, when the alleged victim was just 16. The accuser, who is going by "John Doe" for now, says he met Clash on a gay chat line, where the two talked for several days before Clash invited the teen to his apartment.

The accuser's lawyer, Jeff Herman, says "some sexual activity" occurred, and that the alleged victim met Clash again in 2003 and 2004, eventually figuring out Clash's real identity.

"He saw Elmo dolls, an Emmy award and photographs of Elmo with movie stars," said Herman.

Herman also notes that this accuser started writing a book about the affair in 2009 and that pages from the work-in-progess will read at a press conference Tuesday to announce the lawsuit. wtf is that crap So that's something to look forward to.

This most recent accusation comes six days after Cecil Singleton, who Herman also represents, filed a lawsuit against Clash, and two weeks after Sheldon Stephens brought the initial allegations to light. Clash resigned from Sesame Street shortly after Singleton's allegations, saying he didn't want to create a distraction from the show.

New York Daily News, which is slightly less inflammatory and And then there is Gawker...

Anyone else thinks it's interesting that the last two met him on sex chat lines? If you meet someone on a sex chat line wouldn't you expect them to be over 18? I'm not sure how I feel about this tbh Never mind, that was inappropriate

Sorry about that early clicking there mods!
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chaya 27th-Nov-2012 01:31 pm (UTC)
If you meet someone on a sex chat line wouldn't you expect them to be over 18?

It's an adult's responsibility to make sure they're engaging in consensual sex. That means that the other person is sober, 18 or over, etc.

And in this particular example, idk why you'd assume it was a mistake when this isn't even the only person to come out with a claim against Clash.
usnbfs 27th-Nov-2012 01:50 pm (UTC)
If you meet someone on a sex chat line wouldn't you expect them to be over 18?
No. I'd laugh if it wasn't used as form sort of excuse. The idea that everybody who says they're over the legal limit for who knows what really is, is ridiculous. Who hasn't lied about their age at some point? Whether it's for movies, drinking, smoking or simply access to an online forum about a hobby.
zinnia_rose 27th-Nov-2012 02:20 pm (UTC)
"Poor Elmo"?! I'm supposed to feel sorry for Clash here instead of the boys he assaulted? Yeah, like hell.

The victim-doubting in this case really pisses me off. If these were teenage girls, people (here, at least) would be calling for Clash's head on a stick. It is ALWAYS the responsibility of the adult to make sure his or her sex partner is legal and consenting.
darsynia 28th-Nov-2012 12:14 am (UTC)
Yeah, I was side-eyeing that first line, too. Though in retrospect it could mean 'poor puppet, his rep is getting trashed along with his performer' and that is a tad better perspective. I don't think it's what the author was going for, sadly.
ebay313 27th-Nov-2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
"If you meet someone on a sex chat line wouldn't you expect them to be over 18?"

Not necessarily. And if one is talking with teens, it's the adults responsibility to make sure they are of appropriate age before engaging in sexual activity. People who prey on underage or "barely legal" teens don't fail to ensure that they are of a legal age because doing so is so unreasonable or difficult (because it's neither of those), they don't because they don't actually care because they WANT to target young and inexperienced teens. And this happening over and over again is not any sort of honest mistake- it's a pattern of targeting underage teens.


So sick of all the victim blaming in this community around this.
baked_goldfish 27th-Nov-2012 02:45 pm (UTC)
Anyone else thinks it's interesting that the last two met him on sex chat lines?

Anyone else think it's interesting how fucking quick people in this comm are to try and come up with half-ass defenses for this dude just because he's Elmo?

If you meet someone on a sex chat line wouldn't you expect them to be over 18?

You know what, I'm sure there are plenty of people here who were "18" online when they were 14, 15, or 16. If I'm in a bar, I'm more sure that the person I'm talking to is over 18 (though never entirely sure unless they really look older), but online? No fucking way, for all I know you're 12.

Edited at 2012-11-27 02:51 pm (UTC)
pleasure_past 27th-Nov-2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
Anyone else think it's interesting how fucking quick people in this comm are to try and come up with half-ass defenses for this dude just because he's Elmo?

SERIOUSLY. Why the fuck is it so fucking hard to understand that ~*~Elmo~*~ is a rapist who raped people and there are no excuses or mitigating circumstances in the universe that will make that okay?
kynical 27th-Nov-2012 02:50 pm (UTC)
I'm going to quote Dr. Drew here in reply to a lady blaming the boys on his show last night, "Big people take care of little people." Victims of sexual abuse have no blame in this.

They are victims and this is victim-blaming...just to clear up what should be a pretty cut-and-dried issue. What is really being said here is, "They enticed Clash, it is their responsibility not to be on an adult chatline (if they, indeed actually were), they should've known what the consequences should be...they deserved it."

This article is beyond ridiculous and vile.
evewithanapple 27th-Nov-2012 02:51 pm (UTC)
Anyone else thinks it's interesting that the last two met him on sex chat lines? If you meet someone on a sex chat line wouldn't you expect them to be over 18?

Let's just not.
girly123 27th-Nov-2012 02:52 pm (UTC)
In b4 "BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY/ONE PERSON RECANTED SO THEY'RE ALL LYING/STOP TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THE ENTIRE, TOTALLY FLAWLESS JUSTICE SYSTEM BY FORMING YOUR OWN OPINIONS/etc."
kynical 27th-Nov-2012 02:54 pm (UTC)
BUT THEY JUST WANT MONEY!!!!!!!
kynical 27th-Nov-2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
Let me tell you how to feel--appalled, horrified, and angry that an adult in a position of power would victimize underage teen boys. See, pretty easy what you should be feeling.
pleasure_past 27th-Nov-2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
Anyone else thinks it's interesting that the last two met him on sex chat lines? If you meet someone on a sex chat line wouldn't you expect them to be over 18? I'm not sure how I feel about this tbh

Go fuck yourself.
girly123 27th-Nov-2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
Anyone else thinks it's interesting that the last two met him on sex chat lines? If you meet someone on a sex chat line wouldn't you expect them to be over 18? I'm not sure how I feel about this tbh

Oh lol I was too late, apparently.
baked_goldfish 27th-Nov-2012 03:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not sure there'll ever be a post about this here that's not a mess.
angelofdeath275 27th-Nov-2012 03:01 pm (UTC)
come on assholes, you know wanna commen-

oh wait the OP has shown they are
spyral_path 27th-Nov-2012 03:08 pm (UTC)
I'd assume everyone on an internet sex chat line is under age or an under cover police officer because I'm just that cynical.
aviv 27th-Nov-2012 05:36 pm (UTC)
yeah, me too.
(Especially considering that when I was like 13 I liked to troll the chats and in the end reveal "I'M 13! LOL LOL!")
the_physicist 27th-Nov-2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
There is a lot of pressure in society to tell the victims to take responsibility for their actions - someone once told me, in all sincerity, that the victim is always to blame. In a sense, it's even harder when you have been a victim not to believe that, because doing so gives sense of security. I know it gave me a lot of security to think that I had the power to do something against becoming a victim again. In a situation like this the press will spin an article in such a way to highlight the plight of the accused. "Poor Elmo" indeed. And it stings every time to read an article like that because a small voice in my head will always try and push me to go with that narrative, that maybe the accuser here shouldn't have done XYZ... and really, for 'accuser', substitute in 'me'.

I think your line about the sex chat seems to indicate that you're going with the victim blaming narrative the media is spinning, but the word torn also stands out to me. -_- ...I've seen you around plenty of comms to know you aren't a horrible person. I hope you can see through the bullshit.
kagehikario 27th-Nov-2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
Ugh, this all feels skeevy.

I do think these boys were old enough to consent, honestly. At 16, you have some agency over your body and choices. And you arn't likely ignorant of what you are doing.

However, Clash is showing a clear predatory pattern, and 'consentual' does not nessicarily mean positive, healthy, or ok. These were obviously not exchanges between equals.

This makes me reflect on my own encounters with an older man at 17- I didn't feel abused, I made choices, but I also didn't feel *good* about it. It wasn't a positive sexual experience.

At least he dosn't seem to be using his Elmo status for grooming; it seems he never brought it up.

The sketchiest google search I've made this year informs me that the age of consent in New York is 17 for any gender or orientation, so that's also a thing in this...
kagehikario 27th-Nov-2012 03:21 pm (UTC)
Ugh, ok, rereading that I sound apologist-y. The point I WANT to make is these teens are old enough to be exploring their sexuality, but Clash seems to have taken advantage of that for his own satisfaction to the detriment of his victims.
poetic_pixie_13 27th-Nov-2012 03:22 pm (UTC)
I will fucking cut anyone who wants to frame this as anything but Clash being a predator, I swear to god.
thecityofdis 27th-Nov-2012 03:25 pm (UTC)
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S ~SUSPICIOUS~

WHY ARE YOU SO SENSITIVE
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