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Trigger Warning: Racism -- Looks like Greece has another problem...

1:06 pm - 01/12/2013
Greek police beat up another ‘illegal immigrant’ who’s actually a tourist

Even after Greek police handcuffed him without giving cause, took his passport and beat him on three separate occasions as they dragged him to the station, South Korean tourist Hyun Young Jung insisted on being sympathetic. ”I can understand them asking me for ID and I even understand that there may have been a case to justify them hitting me in the first instance,” he told BBC News. “But why did they continue beating me after I was handcuffed?”

In August, Greece instituted a new law enforcement strategy, termed “Operation Xenios Zeus,” to detain and export illegal immigrants. It’s hard to qualify the program as a success. Of the 60,000 people detained, only 4,200 have ultimately been arrested. But it’s also produced shocking stories like Hyun Young Jung’s, of well-meaning tourists who come to spend money and are rewarded with detention and, sometimes, a beating. Ironically, though the harsh anti-immigration law behind their treatment is purportedly meant to protect Greece’s economy, it could end up doing the opposite.

The incidents also included, among others, an African American tourist named Christian Ukwuorji who was arrested despite showing his U.S. passport and, when he tried to snap a cellphone photo of his handcuffs, beaten to the point of unconsciousness. A notice on the U.S. State Department Web site warns, “The U.S. Embassy has confirmed reports of U.S. African American citizens detained by police authorities conducting sweeps for illegal immigrants.” It also notes “unprovoked harassment and violent attacks against persons who, because of their complexion, are perceived to be foreign migrants.”

Xenophobia and ethnic nationalism seem to be rising in the economically devastated country, empowering extremists, including the neo-Nazi “Golden Dawn” party. The Post’s Anthony Faiola has been chronicling their rise for months, including the support that the group sometimes seems to receive from the police. Law enforcement enjoyed special status under Greece’s early 1970s military junta, a far-right government with an ideology not so different from Golden Dawn’s.

The economic thinking behind the anti-immigration law is straightforward. Illegal immigrants are thought to use Greece as a transit point into Europe, flowing into the country in large numbers but often failing to make it any further. The BBC explains that this influx poses an enormous problem for the already disastrous economy: “With a welfare system in meltdown, the government lacks the resources to support this new growing population.”

So the police are attempting to target illegal immigrants but, putting aside for a moment both the efficacy and humanity of their program, they could put at risk another kind of population influx: tourists. Tourism constitutes an astounding 15 percent of Greece’s GDP. By comparison, information technology makes up 4.4 percent of the U.S. economy. Could you imagine what would happen if a new U.S. policy led police to arrest and beat Google executives? Now imagine that the IT sector is three times as large, that Americans are even more desperate for an economic recovery than they already are, and that executives could easily pick up and take their business somewhere else, as tourists do.

Of course, the logic of xenophobia is rarely rational or even straightforward. But it’s sad to see Greece, which has plenty of problems, some of them breathtakingly daunting, imposing yet another economic problem on itself.

I will definitely be leaving Greece off my list of places to visit until they resolve this BS. 'Illegal immigrants' and tourists weren't the ones who crashed your economy, you jackasses.

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lomesir22 13th-Jan-2013 03:30 am (UTC)
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tabaqui 13th-Jan-2013 03:32 am (UTC)
Jayzus. That is really nuts. Sounds like Arizona has been taking tips from Greece.
teacup_werewolf 13th-Jan-2013 03:38 am (UTC)
Welp there goes my goal of visiting Crete and Santorini in the far future.
amfiluki 16th-Jan-2013 03:27 pm (UTC)
tbh you'll be fine in Crete and Santorini,just avoid Athens..
fifthmorn 13th-Jan-2013 04:30 am (UTC)
He's being such a ridiculous naively nice guy saying, "I even understand why they would hit me the first time." like, dude, NO, you're the victim, these guys had no right to do any of that to you.
fifthmorn 13th-Jan-2013 04:34 am (UTC)
And I say this mostly because as I live in Japan, the Japanese have a way of saying that about police, that they have rights to do things like that because they're, well, police and authority is everything over here. Unfortunately there are too many horror stories about foreigners being abducted at airports by Japanese authorities and held without communication or proper care--much like you would a slave, and without any reason as to why they were being held.
imnotasquirrel 13th-Jan-2013 05:00 am (UTC)
It's the same with South Korea, which could explain why this guy said what he said. You aren't supposed to question authority figures.
soundczech 13th-Jan-2013 05:01 am (UTC)
i'm so scared that one of my friends is going to get detained in japan one day. i've literally never been asked for my alien card but one of my chinese friends is asked ALL THE TIME and the police are always total dicks to him, too.

Edited at 2013-01-13 05:01 am (UTC)
fifthmorn 13th-Jan-2013 02:41 pm (UTC)
My white friends never get asked, my Hispanic or other-Asian (Indian/Saudi) friends get pulled over by cops, someone thought my friend was a terrorist, they searched his car for like two hours--brought dogs and everything. He's American.
soundczech 13th-Jan-2013 03:35 pm (UTC)
yeah, i'm white. so unsurprised to hear about your friend getting pulled over, i know a lot of people here don't think twice about racial profiling.
homasse 15th-Jan-2013 05:59 am (UTC)
I've never had any problems with the police bothering me, and I've lived in Japan for ten years, so there's always that. It's, uh, good to be American. That helps.

But then, I also apparently look completely harmless. In the ten years I've been here, I've had one cop look like he was thinking about stopping me as I biked by, then he changed his mind.

One of my Chinese friends, though, he got so fed up with all the xenophobia that he moved back to Shanghai. He had a much rougher time of it than I did. :(
soundczech 15th-Jan-2013 04:36 pm (UTC)
yeah, i'm not worried for myself or any of my white friends at all because in general i've had really positive experiences with the police here, but there's a definite difference between the way they treat me and the stories i've heard from my chinese friends, and it's been getting worse over the past year as hostilities with china escalate. especially enraging because my chinese friends don't like the chinese government any more than the japanese do.
dearmisterecho 13th-Jan-2013 06:17 am (UTC)
police and doctors....-_-
ohmiya_sg 13th-Jan-2013 07:04 am (UTC)
Someone from the American embassy talked to us when we got to Japan, and I think they're legally allowed to hold you for a fucking long time without giving you a phone call.
fifthmorn 13th-Jan-2013 02:42 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's several days at least--and Japanese prison...makes me shit bricks.
soundczech 13th-Jan-2013 03:35 pm (UTC)
they can hold you something like three weeks without even charging you with anything, too.
soundczech 13th-Jan-2013 04:55 am (UTC)
Greece is such an amazing place to visit. Lately my students (I'm an English teacher in Japan) ask me for travel recommendations and I have to be like, "well, Greece is unforgettable........ but not right now."

It's really scary to think that the situation there is probably going to get worse before it gets better.

Edited at 2013-01-13 05:10 am (UTC)
fifthmorn 13th-Jan-2013 02:42 pm (UTC)
Where are you living in Japan? I'm in Ibaraki on the eastern coast.
soundczech 13th-Jan-2013 03:30 pm (UTC)
I'm in Tokyo! I'm going back to Australia in early February, though. I'm kind of traumatised at the idea.
fifthmorn 14th-Jan-2013 09:29 am (UTC)
Gah Tokyo is so expensive, but I'm only two hours away from it! I'm leaving April 1st to the UK with my boyfriend, though I'm American--don't really wanna go back to America.
soundczech 15th-Jan-2013 04:43 pm (UTC)
Sadly Tokyo doesn't seem crazy expensive to me because the cost of living in my hometown (Melbourne, Australia) is exorbitant too. Actually a lot of things in Tokyo are cheaper. Even my rent is cheaper, though of course I got a much larger place in Melbourne. Maybe the only things I think are significantly cheaper in Melbourne are dairy, fruit, and vegetables. Almost everything else is cheaper in Tokyo. The example I always give is that a 600ml bottle of Coke costs about 330 yen minimum in Australia, but I've never seen one for more than 150 yen in Japan.

God I miss plentiful cheese, fruit and vegetables, though. When I get back to Australia I'm going to eat my weight in chinese broccoli.

The UK, exciting! I've still never made it there.
iolarah 13th-Jan-2013 04:59 am (UTC)
Wow, I hope he's okay.
dearmisterecho 13th-Jan-2013 06:18 am (UTC)
cripes D: the more they do this, the more it will get around to tourists that Greece is not a safe place to travel, and then enjoy screwing your economy even further, dipshits.
cellared 13th-Jan-2013 06:48 am (UTC)
"Operation Zeus Xenios"


ZEUS XENIOS is the GODDAMN GOD OF HOSPITALITY

FOR FUCKS SAKE

alryssa 13th-Jan-2013 11:29 pm (UTC)
Wow. That's like an extra little layer of fuck you right there.
nycscribbler 14th-Jan-2013 03:27 am (UTC)
Thank you!

Y'all know what Zeus would do to you if you fucked with hospitality? Like shutting the door in a guest's face? Or treating your guest like shit? Lightning bolts. Leveling your VILLAGE. Zeus would FUCK YOUR SHIT UP.
rebness 13th-Jan-2013 10:27 am (UTC)
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Do they have any idea what rampant xenophobia like this will do?

I have good friends on Zakynthos who rely on tourists coming to their little shop in summer to provide subsistence over the long winter period (as do a lot of people on Zakynthos and the surrounding isles). Even a small drop in numbers could cause them no end of trouble, yet crap like this is actively going to dissuade people (particularly people of colour) from coming to the islands. Not only is Athens being disgusting in its treatment of foreigners and Greek people of colour, but it's actively hurting a massive tourist industry which is already floundering. Ugh!

Edited at 2013-01-13 10:27 am (UTC)
katrinar 14th-Jan-2013 02:40 pm (UTC)
this isn't new, this is Greece. coming from Canada, when I lived there, even I experienced xenophobia. and i'm Greek!

i would get mocked mercilessly for the "whiteness' of my skin and had, on more than one occasion, men grope me because they thought i was a Polish or Albainian tourist/immigrant. the Greek people are generally VERY racist.
rebness 14th-Jan-2013 08:53 pm (UTC)
Oh, I know. I can't bear how the Albanians in particular are treated on the Ionian islands. They get blamed for every little crime. It's horrible.
darlahood 13th-Jan-2013 01:29 pm (UTC)
Wow sounds like a great time to visit Greece ...
... if all you own are klan robes.
aviv_b 13th-Jan-2013 02:23 pm (UTC)
Well I was thinking about Greece in the spring - but not this year apparently.
seishin 13th-Jan-2013 11:59 pm (UTC)
Same, this summer with my roommate.
anjak_j 13th-Jan-2013 09:47 pm (UTC)
”I can understand them asking me for ID and I even understand that there may have been a case to justify them hitting me in the first instance,” he told BBC News.

No, no, no, AND NO! I mean, I respect his ability for continued sympathy, and the fact that this is probably borne of his culture's respect for authority figures but NO, they had no justification for hitting this man at all - not even the first time. And hitting him whilst he was handcuffed is a gross abuse of power.

Greece is definitely off my list of places I want to visit until this bullshit stops.
dawn9476 14th-Jan-2013 02:45 am (UTC)
It's my understanding that like in the US, Racism is a problem all over Europe. I remember during the World Cup in 2010, HBO's Real Sports did a follow up piece on Racism and its connection to soccer. They showed how it is a problem from Italy to Germany to England. Apparently the racism from one team's fans was so bad for an Italian soccer team, they had to play games two games to empty stadiums. Shops that sell racist merchandise are also common near soccer stadiums in Europe.

Edited at 2013-01-14 02:47 am (UTC)
serendipity_15 14th-Jan-2013 03:46 am (UTC)
Well, guess I won't be visiting Greece anytime in the near future....
katrinar 14th-Jan-2013 02:38 pm (UTC)
Everyone is all "Greece bore democracy." and I have a hard time telling them that Greeks are the MOST racist fucking people I have ever encountered in my life.

And I'm fucking Greek (my mother was born in Athens).

In Greece, they do shit like call black people maimou (monkey) to their faces (like, "hey, maimou, get the fuck out of my restaurant and go sell your CDs somewhere else." They beat LEGAL immigrants from bulgaria and other countries in the streets and make up stories like, "Albanian immigrants climb into buildings and rape women while they are having their afternoon nap."

They are also homophobic and sexist like you wouldn't believe. The young, as well as the old believe ignorant stereotypes that have long been disproved by science. I could go on and on, but I won't.

The worst part is, most of the parents of us Greeks born in north america (and A LOT of people my age, in the 25-35 range) believe a racism light version of this.
rebness 14th-Jan-2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
Thiiiiiiis. Well, I can't speak for the North American part, but the racism and homophobia is crazy there.
amfiluki 16th-Jan-2013 03:30 pm (UTC)
as a Greek person,I sadly agree.
katrinar 16th-Jan-2013 03:31 pm (UTC)
it's so awful, because there's so much amazing love in greek culture, but it's all internalized to the family and greek people ONLY.

why they can't extend that beyond the boarders of their minds is beyond me.
louisiane_fille 14th-Jan-2013 05:33 pm (UTC)
I'm glad I saw Greece years ago because I sure as hell wouldn't go back now.
heartlockedx 14th-Jan-2013 09:58 pm (UTC)
Crossing Greece off of my list of places I want to visit this year. Fuck this bullshit.
homasse 15th-Jan-2013 05:52 am (UTC)
Same. I'm planning a trip to Europe this summer, and Greece just got struck off my list.
the_crimsonrose 15th-Jan-2013 01:22 am (UTC)
I really wanted to visit Greece but if they're going to attack people for no reason other than their complexion, then I'm staying away as an Asian-American.

My Greek friend is completely disgusted by this.

Edit: Actually, I'd stay away even if I wasn't Asian. This is messed up.

Edited at 2013-01-15 01:23 am (UTC)
homasse 15th-Jan-2013 05:51 am (UTC)
I posted about this on my FB, and one of my white friends immediately posted, "But we [her and her husband] didn't have any problems when we were there!" and I was SO TEMPTED to say, "You are also blonde and white. Your husband may be Indian, but that blonde and whiteness would be why y'all didn't have any problems but my black ass probably would."
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