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Troop pay threatened by debt-ceiling standoff... again

1:11 pm - 01/15/2013
Federal employees and military service members will not get paid if Congress does not raise the debt ceiling, President Obama said Monday.

The government also would not be able to honor its contracts with small-business owners, and Social Security checks and benefits for veterans would be delayed, Obama said during a news conference.

Obama reiterated his stance that he will not negotiate with Republicans — who are demanding spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt ceiling.

“We are not a deadbeat nation,” Obama said. “Republicans in Congress have two choices here. They can act responsibly and pay America’s bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put America through another economic crisis. But they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy.”

The federal government reached its debt limit Dec. 31, but Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said last month he could finagle another two months or so by taking so-called “extraordinary measures” before the debt ceiling would have to be raised. That implied Congress had more time to act and the government could keep running as-is until the end of February. However, the Bipartisan Policy Center think tank estimates the government could run out of money as early as Feb. 15.

Obama on Monday also appeared to dare House Republicans to shut down the government over the debt ceiling, as some GOP leaders have threatened.

“If the House Republicans … want to shut down the government to see if they can get their way on [deficit reduction], that’s their prerogative,” Obama said.

If Congress doesn’t want to raise the debt ceiling, Obama said, they should give him the authority to raise the limit on his own.

But the government’s current situation of one fiscal crisis after another is untenable, and must stop, Obama said.

“That’s not a credible way to run this government,” Obama said. “We’ve got to stop lurching from crisis to crisis to crisis when there’s this clear path ahead of us that simply requires some discipline, some responsibility, and some compromise.”

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OP: I'm so fucking over this. Every 6 months this happens. I called all my Rep. and Senators.
kaelstra 15th-Jan-2013 09:03 pm (UTC)
I hate that I have to worry about whether or not my SO will get paid or not every time this comes up. :(
belleweather 15th-Jan-2013 10:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm a USG employee and the sole wage earner for a family of 5. I hate that I have to worry about how I'm going to pay my mortgage and feed my kids with no money coming it. Pretty much guarantees that I'll vote republican five minutes after NEVER, though.
riotfolk 18th-Jan-2013 11:39 pm (UTC)
If they are active duty look into getting a primary (direct deposit) account with usaa or navy federal - they have consistently guaranteed to deposit your expected pay in the event of this happening. Love them.
morningapproach 15th-Jan-2013 09:36 pm (UTC)
I totally don't understand what the problem is, and why the US is so broke - it is only since 2008 that I keep hearing about these horrible financial crises. Why don't the fucking senators agree to take a few months without pay in order to pay your service men and retired vets?
magenta_girl 15th-Jan-2013 10:41 pm (UTC)
It is because before 2008 they raised the debt ceiling with no argument because Congressional Republicans weren't acting like 5 year olds who didn't get their way.
serendipity_15 16th-Jan-2013 12:11 am (UTC)
Because there is a black man in office.
hinoema 16th-Jan-2013 04:52 am (UTC)
What they (above) said. It's all manufactured crises to score points.
lux_roark 15th-Jan-2013 09:59 pm (UTC)
It's great that I have to worry about whether I'll receive my Social Security whenever this happens, but they don't have to worry about their pay being stopped.
mickeym 16th-Jan-2013 02:35 am (UTC)
MTE
crossfire 16th-Jan-2013 12:03 am (UTC)
“Republicans in Congress have two choices here. They can act responsibly and pay America’s bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put America through another economic crisis. But they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the American economy.”

“That’s not a credible way to run this government,” Obama said. “We’ve got to stop lurching from crisis to crisis to crisis when there’s this clear path ahead of us that simply requires some discipline, some responsibility, and some compromise.”


That's the man I voted for. :)
ferriludant Completely agree16th-Jan-2013 12:45 am (UTC)
It's about time he remembered where he keeps his spine.
hinoema 16th-Jan-2013 04:53 am (UTC)
That's why I'm glad he got a second term, and could not give less fucks about being re-elected. NOW it's time to get shit done.
idemandjustice 16th-Jan-2013 12:20 am (UTC)
Can we just take the pay away from Congress instead, since it'll be their fucking fault?
alexvdl 16th-Jan-2013 12:36 am (UTC)
Interestingly enough, the last time the issue was brought up there were a small group of Congresspeople that refused their pay on those grounds.
alexvdl 16th-Jan-2013 12:40 am (UTC)
So instead of just giving our self a bigger and bigger credit card, maybe we should pass a budget where we don't spend so much money? Seriously. Everytime this shit comes up it's because we just keep pushing the inevitable back by another six months there, and another two months here. You can't adequately track and manage your money if you don't keep track of where the Hell it's going. Full Federal Budget. Fucktons of spending cuts. Hell, raise taxes. Fix the damn problem. Treat the causes, not the symptoms. Running around worrying about whether you left the oven on while the house is actively burning down.
theguindo 16th-Jan-2013 12:52 am (UTC)
ugh ia but this congress is absolutely not going to cut what needs to be cut because it is made up of fucking children who refuse to play nice with each other to accomplish anything that benefits the majority of Americans.

They're more interested in making sure their pet projects are funded than in eliminating wasteful government spending. Say "spending cuts" and they'll start slashing things that help people while keeping the things that fill their own pockets.

Fuck the selfishness of politicians, seriously.
hinoema 16th-Jan-2013 04:57 am (UTC)
So instead of just giving our self a bigger and bigger credit card, maybe we should pass a budget where we don't spend so much money?

Or maybe we could collect the money we're due and never collect? If the biggest corporations and wealthiest people paid their share, if Churches weren't exempt, if tax laws didn't have so many loopholes for foreign corporations- if we collected the revenue we're legally due, we'd have a surplus, not a deficit.

This is just one example:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/09/460519/major-corporations-no-taxes-four-year/
alexvdl 16th-Jan-2013 05:16 am (UTC)
If Churches weren't exempt you wouldn't have separation of Church and State.

As for the rest... if we were "due" that money, then the IRS would collect it. If they're taking advantage of the tax code in place... that would be the tax code that our legislators put there. Maybe if they got off their ass they could fix the problem!
tabaqui 16th-Jan-2013 01:02 am (UTC)
So fucking sick of this. C'mon, Obama - you said some damn good words - stick by them, please! Kick a little GOP ass.
mickeym 16th-Jan-2013 02:41 am (UTC)
I just love that we're doing this AGAIN. I'm on disability, as is my son. That's our entire income, minus child support (which my ex can pay because of his veterans disability pay). AUGH.
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