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11:01 am - 01/20/2013
Utah Man Carries Rifle Into JC Penney To Defend Against ‘Criminals, Cartels, Drug Lords’ and ‘Evil Men’

A man in Utah was photographed at a JC Penney carrying around an unloaded version of the gun used in the Newtown tragedy to prove that guns aren’t as dangerous as they’re portrayed.

In addition to the unloaded rifle, a loaded Glock pistol was strapped to his hip when his picture was taken by shopper Cindy Yorgason on her cell phone camera. Speaking with the Salt Lake Tribune, the man — identified as 22-year old Joseph Kelley — said that he called the local police to let them know about his actions before he left his home and intended to display that weapons aren’t dangerous when handled by law-abiding citizens.

Kelley also said he was told that he was “well within his rights” and that bystanders’ reactions were positive.

“I felt no negative vibes from anyone,” Kelley said. “I think it went rather surprisingly well.”

Kelley added that he carries weapons to protect children and other people from “criminals, cartels, drug lords” and other “evil men.”

Kelley also holds a concealed-carry permit from the State of Utah and was formerly in the military. Utah has made the news several times lately in relation to their rather lax gun laws. A small town recently proposed every citizen owning a firearm, while a child at an elementary school in the state brought a handgun with him “for protection” in the days after the shooting at Sandy Hook. Utah currently has absolutely no waiting period in place for purchasing firearms.


OP: Because Utah is a bastion of EVIL, am I right? My first thought was that the man in question would probably think the below image as being a damn good reason to stop drinking water:

And then I thought "screw it! Canada, here I come!"

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layweed 20th-Jan-2013 09:54 pm (UTC)
Find many of those in JC Penney do we?
sandstorm 20th-Jan-2013 10:09 pm (UTC)
Well they have to look snazzy too.
starbeams 20th-Jan-2013 10:11 pm (UTC)
My workplace got robbed at gunpoint a few days ago (I was off that night, but it's still really scary knowing it's a possibility) & the robber is still at large (he's hit 13 stores in our city now). So, all these other men think they're doing us a favor by coming in with guns to show us they would shoot him if he comes in again. One of my customers asked a man walking around with his gun in our store yesterday why he was doing that and he said "because I'm an American" and then went on to say how much we appreciate it. My manager told him no, it makes her far more uncomfortable and he just continues on his "American right" spiel. It's been 5 different men on the shifts I've been there and they're not concealed or anything? It's just really scary all these guns going in and out of my store now =/
windy_lea 20th-Jan-2013 11:45 pm (UTC)
Ugh, I think I'd be a nervous wreck. I tend to be hyperalert to the possibility of accidents, so I don't even like standing close to someone else holding a knife, let alone a gun.
oceandezignz 20th-Jan-2013 10:14 pm (UTC)
That water macro needs one more DEADLY FACT.

Water is WET.
blondebeaker 20th-Jan-2013 11:14 pm (UTC)
OT as hell but Studio Killers!

I have Ode to the Bouncer stuck in my head right now.
cuterabbit33 20th-Jan-2013 10:14 pm (UTC)
Sounds more like he wanted his fifteen minutes of fame.
emeraldus 20th-Jan-2013 10:25 pm (UTC)
What anime does the gif come from?
tsururu 20th-Jan-2013 10:31 pm (UTC)
Angel Beats!
star_glitter7 20th-Jan-2013 10:33 pm (UTC)
You know, if I were walking around a JC Penney and saw someone patrolling with a gun, I wouldn't feel safer. I'd feel like I was going to get shot if I looked at someone the wrong way.
layweed 20th-Jan-2013 11:26 pm (UTC)
Mte. If I saw someone in plain clothes walking around JC Penney with a gun (and a rifle at that) I would be extremely nervous. There is no reason for someone to walk around in public with that kind of firearm. The handgun on the hip was MORE than sufficient to protect himself from all these evil people that are apparently everywhere.
layweed 20th-Jan-2013 11:03 pm (UTC)
Idgi either. People who have guns and are like "IT'S TO PROTECT MY FREEDOM AND AGAINST GOVERNMENT DICTATORSHIP AND EVIL PEOPLE". It's like...really? That's your view of the world, that everyone is out to get you and the only way you can protect yourself is by carrying guns everywhere? Idgi.
blackjedii 20th-Jan-2013 10:39 pm (UTC)
He was protecting the general shopping public from evil muslin, duh.
skittish_derby 21st-Jan-2013 12:20 am (UTC)
those terrorizing acrylics too!
thecityofdis 20th-Jan-2013 10:45 pm (UTC)
what a noob. everyone knows the terrorists have seen the softer side of sears.
windy_lea 21st-Jan-2013 12:27 am (UTC)
silver_apples 20th-Jan-2013 10:50 pm (UTC)
Does JC Penny have a big problem with cartels and drug lords? Do they regularly meet by the hosiery?

I wish they had interviewed the other shoppers and employees. If I saw someone walking around the store with a rifle, I wouldn't be sending out "negative vibes", much less confronting him, I would be trying to avoid being noticed until I had a chance to get out.
moonshaz 20th-Jan-2013 11:29 pm (UTC)
For sure. I'd be heading for the door as fast as I could get there!
adrenalineshots 20th-Jan-2013 10:51 pm (UTC)
?Kelley also said he was told that he was “well within his rights” and that bystanders’ reactions were positive.'

You mean, no one confronted the man with the 2 guns at hand? Weird....
curseangel 20th-Jan-2013 10:59 pm (UTC)
I know, right? I would've crossed the damn street or ducked four or five aisles down to avoid that guy - I sure as hell wouldn't have confronted him. I'd be too afraid he'd shoot me for daring to question his absolute right to carry weapons into a fucking department store where families shop.
curseangel 20th-Jan-2013 10:58 pm (UTC)
Ugh, I hate this recent 'trend' of assholes carrying weapons fucking everywhere with them. I have a really bad fear of guns, and they make me intensely uncomfortable, to the point where there's a part of Port Authority I can barely go through because there are always several heavily-armed military guys and cops there (holding big-ass rifles, etc.) and they scare the shit out of me. Whenever I see someone with a gun, I wonder how little it would take before they shot me - if I said the wrong thing, if I lingered too long by the store-front, if I held my girlfriend's hand.

These people say they're doing it to "protect" people, but they're not - it's just a macho show-off, "look how much of a man I am, I have this big gun," and it's a threat, too. It's "don't you dare say anything to me," "don't you dare do anything that goes against my backwards-ass morality in front of me," that kind of thing. It absolutely terrifies me that these are the people with guns - these jerks who think they're a cop because they've got a huge gun and the willingness to haul it around and intimidate people.
cellared 21st-Jan-2013 12:31 am (UTC)
^ p much everything i feel about guns and macho guys who insist on showing them off

it must be nice to be able to walk out the door and know that you have the power to kill anyone you see at any moment, for any reason. it's an illusion for insecure men who can't handle the reality of their own insignificance, and it's a crime that they can impose that antihero fantasy on others,

real mad rn sorry just

you're right, it is an implicit threat
i get enough of that from men in public without them being armed

fuck these guys and their wack masculinity crises
sixdemonhag 20th-Jan-2013 11:08 pm (UTC)
So he says he did it to prove that firearms aren't dangerous when handled by law-abiding citizens. So...how do the people around KNOW he's a law-abiding citizen and not getting ready to do a massacre?
sihaya09 20th-Jan-2013 11:25 pm (UTC)
Exactly. Every person with a gun is presumably* law abiding until they start SHOOTING PEOPLE.

*Unless they're brown. Then assume they're a criminal. Duh. /sarcasm
tabaqui 20th-Jan-2013 11:38 pm (UTC)
If i saw a person in JC Penny or wherever carrying a frigging rifle, i'd call the police. Seriously - 911 on my fucking phone and i'm out the damn door. That would make me *extremely* nervous and freaked out.

Fucking gun nuts - fuck 'em all.
primeling 21st-Jan-2013 12:10 am (UTC)
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I would honestly think there was about to be a shoot out. And, if everyone started acting like it was his right, I would complain to management until they were blue in the face. *I* do not want to be shopping around guns.
ebay313 21st-Jan-2013 12:04 am (UTC)
That sounds a bit terrifying. I feel bad for people who work there (at least other costumers have the option of leaving asap).
Makes me glad guns are not allowed where I work, and I hope that doesn't change.
cellared 21st-Jan-2013 12:24 am (UTC)
i know the 'lone macho man defending children then riding off into the sunset' is an old american trope but seriously dudes should grow out of it by the time they're 12 and realize that they aren't batman and that they live in real life and they aren't the star of their own personal action flick.

it's so narcissistic. i'd call it pathetic if they didn't insist on being armed.
layweed 21st-Jan-2013 01:29 am (UTC)
Batman? Naw. More like John Wayne or Dirty Harry or something like that.
strwbrri_shrtck 21st-Jan-2013 01:41 am (UTC)
I'm sorry, but hold the phone...you mean to tell me the cops knew the whole time? What if something had gone horribly, horribly wrong?
angelofdeath275 21st-Jan-2013 02:45 am (UTC)
hes white, so there ab.sol.utly. nooooo way anything bad couldve happened

not like all the famous serial shooters were white men or anything
wikilobbying 21st-Jan-2013 02:17 am (UTC)
well a rifle is less dangerous when it's unloaded, but then you're left trying to club this imagined criminal to death and hey, good luck and god speed, kid.

or you could stop thinking you're an action star and let professionals with more training and experience handle armed criminals.
angelofdeath275 21st-Jan-2013 02:43 am (UTC)
Kelley added that he carries weapons to protect children and other people from “criminals, cartels, drug lords” and other “evil men.”

the thinly veiled racism.
tallycola 21st-Jan-2013 03:32 am (UTC)
He wants to protect children from cartels? Where does he think he lives??
hey_kayla_jay 21st-Jan-2013 05:30 am (UTC)
Not just any cartels, the ones that operate out of JC Penny!
shhh_its_s3cr3t 21st-Jan-2013 03:51 am (UTC)
Reason # 4099872 why i have had it with the idiots in this country and their "guns are not evil" line.

liliaeth 21st-Jan-2013 04:19 am (UTC)
Another thing that worries me about these idiots is that they might give ideas to one of those public place shooters. Like, this guy said he warned the cops he was going to do this.

What if next time some guy who plans to shoot up a mall, calls ahead to the cops, cause these guys tend to plan ahead before their big day, tells them he's going to show his constitutional right to bear arms. So when people start calling warnings that they saw a guy with guns coming in, the police ignore it...
adirtylollipop 21st-Jan-2013 04:30 am (UTC)
I work at a JCPenney... If this happened I'd probably start evacuation procedure.
redstar826 21st-Jan-2013 04:30 am (UTC)
lol the criminals we got at JCP when I had the misfortune of working there were almost all of the "assholes who will steal anything that is not nailed down" variety as opposed to people who needed to be stopped with assault weapons.
mollywobbles867 21st-Jan-2013 07:45 pm (UTC)
Same when I worked at Sears. If someone had come in with a gun to rob the place, I wouldn't try to fight them. I'd just give the money. Thankfully, I never had to experience that.
homasse 21st-Jan-2013 07:34 am (UTC)
Y'know, a couple days ago, an 18-year-old douchebag forced his way into my grandma's house, brandishing what turned out to be a BB gun, and tried to rob her.

If she'd had a gun, she might have shot and killed him.

Instead, she had a cast-iron skillet and Old Lady Rage, and ordered the "boy," as she called him, out of her house before she beat him with her skillet. And as much as I want to beat the little punk's face in for scaring her (he apparently took off out of her house like a bat out of hell and was arrested soon after), I'm very glad neither of them had firearms. I'm glad my grandma didn't get shot, and I'm glad a dumb kid probably trying to get drug money didn't break into a house where someone DID have a weapon. And I don't get these gun fetishists who think they have to dickwave their guns around to prove they're tough enough to "defend" themselves.

As far as I'm concerned, the big tough guy in this story will never be as badass as my 84-year-old country grandma.
hinoema 21st-Jan-2013 01:01 pm (UTC)
You go, Gran! My mom has a collection of those old cast iron pans, and I certainly wouldn't want to get swatted with one. She had one I literally had to lift with both hands.
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