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Albuquerque Shooting: Teenager Kills 5 People, Including 3 Children

10:32 pm - 01/20/2013
Albuquerque Shooting: Teenager Kills 5 People, Including 3 Children
By SUSAN MONTOYA BRYAN 01/20/13 08:30 PM ET EST

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A 15-year-old boy remained in custody Sunday night as detectives tried to piece together what led to the shooting of five people, including three young children, who were found dead in a New Mexico home.

The teenager was arrested on murder and other charges in connection with the shootings, which happened Saturday night at the home in a rural area southwest of downtown Albuquerque, said Lt. Sid Covington, a Bernalillo County sheriff's spokesman.

Detectives did not immediately release the victims' names, but word of the shootings traveled quickly through the law enforcement community, and officials began offering their condolences for Greg Griego, a spiritual leader known for his work with firefighters and the 13 years he spent as a volunteer chaplain at the county jail.

"Chaplin Griego was a dedicated professional that passionately served his fellow man and the firefighters of this community," Fire Chief James Breen said in a statement. "His calming spirit and gentle nature will be greatly missed."

Jail Chief Ramon Rustin said Griego was instrumental in the creation of the Metropolitan Detention Center's chaplain program and worked to get inmates integrated back into the community.

Griego also was a former member of the pastoral staff at Calvary, a Christian church in Albuquerque. As part of his work there, he oversaw the Straight Street program for jail inmates.

Covington said detectives were working to positively identify the five victims as well as the teenager's relationship to them.

"Right now we're to the meticulous points of processing the scene and collecting physical evidence, and this is a vast scene with a lot of physical evidence," Covington said.

Authorities said each victim suffered more than one gunshot wound, and several guns were found at the home, one of which was a semi-automatic military-style rifle. Investigators were trying to determine who owned the guns.

Authorities also declined to release details of any conversation that the 15-year-old had with investigators. The teenager was booked on two counts of murder and three counts of child abuse resulting in death.

The Associated Press is withholding the suspect's name during the initial investigation because he is a juvenile.

On Sunday, a police roadblock cut off public access to the narrow dirt road that leads to the home, which is surrounded by trees and an agricultural field on one side.

Neighbors said they saw the first police cars and ambulances arrive at the home Saturday night. The road was blocked and word of the shootings began to make its way through the neighborhood.

Peter Gomez, a 54-year-old carpenter who lives about 200 yards from the home, said he had seen the family – a husband and wife and their four children – pass by many times but didn't know them personally.

"It's a horrible thing," Gomez said. "You see all this stuff that happens all over the country, the shootings in the schools and theaters, and then it happens right here. It's sad."

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DISCLAIMER: It doesn't say here if the shooter was related to the victims, but this story SEEMS to have all the hallmarks of a domestic situation wherein a family member goes amok and kills all the others, using guns that were available in the home. If I'm wrong about that, the above image may not apply here.

ETA: It appears my instincts were (sadly) correct, according to an updated story I just found: "A 15-year-old boy was arrested in Saturday's shooting deaths of his parents, a brother and two younger sisters. A .22-caliber rifle and a semi-automatic military-style rifle, which were kept in the parents' closet, were used in the shootings, according to authorities." D:

Source of updated information

(EDITED AGAIN to fix borked html.)
doverz 21st-Jan-2013 05:52 am (UTC)
You would think that with guns in the home, that this tragedy wouldn't have happened. Oh wait......
emofordino 21st-Jan-2013 07:10 am (UTC)
i wonder how many more people are going to have their own guns turned on them before the gun-nuts realize how stupid their logic is? unfortunately i feel like it's probably going to be a lot. :(
asrana 21st-Jan-2013 10:50 am (UTC)
"Well I know lots of people who own guns and we've never had a problem with it!"

It's exactly the same argument that my mum tried to use with me to talk me out of giving our kid his MMR - she never knew anyone who went blind/died/etc of measles. Yeah, sure, but are you telling me that you're on first-name, come-round-for-dinner terms with 10,000 families?

(N.B. not trying to derail talk of gun control talk into talk of MMR vaccine safety, just want to make the point that saying "but I don't know anyone with that problem" is something that loads of people do and it's frustrating in any situation where it's being held up as an actual meaningful argument vs Proper Science.)
ljtaylor 21st-Jan-2013 02:14 pm (UTC)
well, that and measles incidences have been reduced due to vaccinations & herd immunity < / derail >

...I won't get me started on anti-vaxxers. I completely get your argument
bowtomecha 21st-Jan-2013 11:55 pm (UTC)
She doesn't know anybody with serious issues from measles thanks to the vaccines. It seems that people interested in only their own history forget to look at the history from before.
asrana 22nd-Jan-2013 12:09 am (UTC)
...I said I didn't want to derail, but. You're not actually correct in this instance - my mum grew up in extreme poverty in Hong Kong during the 1950s. Think one stand pipe for the whole tenement block and having to boil the water before it's safe to drink. Birthday present being a new pair of shoes and maybe an egg at breakfast. They still needed bubonic plague and cholera surveillance at that time (although I don't think they still had plague outbreaks, just paranoia) - not to mention polio, malaria, etc, etc, that's why she didn't hear of anyone dying from measles growing up, people were still worrying about the bigger fish.
mollywobbles867 21st-Jan-2013 07:42 am (UTC)
I shouldn't have checked _p. It's hard to sleep when your heart is breaking.
poetic_pixie_13 21st-Jan-2013 02:53 pm (UTC)
I always tell myself that I'm going to stop checking _p before bed because it just inevitably keeps me up late raging or just breaks your heart.

I still haven't managed to stop, tho. =/
baka_tenshi 21st-Jan-2013 10:33 am (UTC)
just so fucking sick of these shootings. will it ever be fucking enough?!!
hinoema 21st-Jan-2013 11:04 am (UTC)
I hate that it's happening, but I'm glad it's getting massive publicity. Hopefully more people will open their eyes and see what's going on.
wrestlingdog 21st-Jan-2013 12:42 pm (UTC)
macro
lady_borg 21st-Jan-2013 12:59 pm (UTC)
Getting sick of this shit.
idemandjustice 21st-Jan-2013 05:19 pm (UTC)
+1
abiding 21st-Jan-2013 08:02 pm (UTC)
+1
kitanabychoice 21st-Jan-2013 10:53 pm (UTC)
MTE.
ljtaylor 21st-Jan-2013 02:31 pm (UTC)
when I was a kid we visited some family friends in so.cal. one of them kept a gun in his then 6 y.o. grandaughter's bedroom. it was loaded. she could potentially reach it if she stood on a chair. his reasoning was that "nobody would expect it to be there!" but I have a funny feeling there's a few gun owners out there who employ the same logic. when will people LEARN?
aviv_b 21st-Jan-2013 03:22 pm (UTC)
One of the news magazine shows had a piece years ago where they asked small children to show them where Mommy or Daddy's gun was.

The parents all thought they had the loaded gun hidden in a safe place. Every single child (all under the age of 10, some under the age of 5) knew where the gun was. I remember one small child getting on a chair to get the gun out of a shoe box on a closet shelf.

I don't understand how people can think they have a gun in the house and their children won't know where it is.
shadwing 21st-Jan-2013 04:18 pm (UTC)
Annnnd this is why my parents have all guns and ammo locked up or locked down. JUST IN CASE, the chances of a break in are so very small in our neck of the woods.

None of the pieces are loaded either, and the one in the bedroom has the loaded clip NEXT to the gun in the gun safe.
aviv_b 21st-Jan-2013 04:57 pm (UTC)
One other thing I came across (as I tried to find which news magazine had the piece), some gun safes, aren't. That's not the parents' fault for not knowing, but damn, you'd think they'd make them really secure considering:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcwebertobias/2012/07/27/unsafe-gun-safes-can-be-opened-by-a-three-year-old/
bestdaywelived 21st-Jan-2013 03:30 pm (UTC)
Um, actually, if this is a domestic violence murder, the image applies even more.
kishmet 21st-Jan-2013 10:24 pm (UTC)
I think that's what the OP's saying, but they're clarifying that they don't know for sure whether it was a DV murder because the article doesn't say whether the shooter was related to the victims.
bowtomecha 22nd-Jan-2013 12:01 am (UTC)
I'm hoping that the definition of domestic violence doesn't just pertain to nuclear relationships or a household. I think anybody with strong affinity or strong personal relationship should be considered dv as well. This kid could have been the neighborhood kid who spent half his time at their house hanging out. Its usually only limited to family or partners but I don't see why strong friendships can't qualify as well.
kishmet 22nd-Jan-2013 12:15 am (UTC)
Oh, I agree. They just didn't mention the kid's relationship to the family at all yet as far as I saw. The way the crime was committed I would agree with the OP's assessment that it was probably domestic violence-related whether he technically lived in the house or not
moonshaz 22nd-Jan-2013 02:29 am (UTC)
Exactly. From the article I originally posted, there was no indication of whether the kid was a family member, a neighbor, an intruder, or what. Turns out this was exactly what I thought it was: a case of a kid killing his parents and siblings. But as strong as my suspicions were, I couldn't be sure of that when I was making the post.

Edited at 2013-01-22 02:30 am (UTC)
bestdaywelived 22nd-Jan-2013 02:14 am (UTC)
At the organization where I used to work, it was defined as romantic partners and biological/legal family.
moonshaz 22nd-Jan-2013 02:25 am (UTC)
I think that's what the OP's saying, but they're clarifying that they don't know for sure whether it was a DV murder because the article doesn't say whether the shooter was related to the victims."

Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say. All the articles I was able to find at that point were NOT coming out and saying this was a case of someone shooting members of his family, but it sure sounded like it to me. But I didn't know for a FACT, so I added the disclaimer. As it happens, I was right. I have added an update, which will hopefully clarify things.

I also added the domestic violence tag, since I now know that it definitely applies.

Edited at 2013-01-22 02:27 am (UTC)
evilnel 21st-Jan-2013 05:00 pm (UTC)
Does anybody know the sources for the statistics cited in the image? I would love to have these studies handy!
spiegel11th 21st-Jan-2013 09:46 pm (UTC)
Aaaand THIS is why my father sold his guns when my elder brother was born - and my father is the sort of paranoid-protective army officer bloke to keep his firearms in a locked gun cabinet with the key on his own keyring in his own pocket at all times...
So what the hell are these people thinking?
deleriumd 22nd-Jan-2013 01:27 am (UTC)
I would love the hear the pro-gun fanatics defence to those statistics.

Also, is it me or does every political cartoonist have the same chicken-scratch printing?
xballroomblitz 22nd-Jan-2013 09:14 am (UTC)
My "Uncle" is a newspaper comic writer and he has the same handwriting as well. I think it's just how their brains work and therefore that's how their handwriting ends up? IDK.

I would have said its a font, but I'm currently looking at my Christmas card from him.
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