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BREAKING: Shooting at Atlanta, GA, middle School

3:10 pm - 01/31/2013
Atlanta, GA – At least student was shot at Price Middle School in Atlanta. One teacher was reportedly injured, but did not suffer any gunshot wounds. The Atlanta middle school shooting suspect is reportedly also a student at the school.

Police officers initially believed the middle school shooting had taken place at nearby Carver High School, WSBTV notes. The gunman is reportedly already in police custody. If breaking news reports are accurate, a total of three individuals have been detained by police officers.

Several ambulances have converged upon the Atlanta school shooting scene. One of the victims is reportedly a 14-year-old student, My Fox Atlanta is reporting. The Atlanta middle school is located on Benjamin Weldon Bickers Drive.

More details about the Price Middle School shooting will be published as soon as they become available.


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ladypolitik 31st-Jan-2013 08:26 pm (UTC)
.....
fenris_lorsrai 31st-Jan-2013 08:30 pm (UTC)
I think the uptick here is partially just media choosing to focus on these so they get attention outside local area, finally, but man, fuck this noise. I'm about ready to say to hell with firearms, your right to bear arms applies only to bows.

tabaqui 31st-Jan-2013 09:31 pm (UTC)
Fucking this.
girly123 31st-Jan-2013 10:23 pm (UTC)
Yup yup yup.

Like on the one hand, it's good to see this coverage. On the other hand, jfc it is terrible to see this coverage.
hinoema 1st-Feb-2013 04:58 am (UTC)
That's why I'm glad it's getting attention. Shootings happen all the time, but in the past it wasn't national news. Now maybe people will get a clue how prevalent gun based homicide is. (And how prevalent "brave gun owner stopping crimes and defeating mass murderers" isn't.)
alexvdl 1st-Feb-2013 07:07 am (UTC)
Considering that there were 30,470 firearm-related deaths in the United States a couple of years ago, and the National Institute of Justice estimates that there are 108,000 Defensive Gun Uses per year...

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
hinoema 1st-Feb-2013 07:49 am (UTC)
That data is based on telephone surveys and undocumented claims. I'm talking about actual documented instances of such. Why no news stories about a random gun owner stopping a shooting spree or similar?
alexvdl 1st-Feb-2013 08:10 am (UTC)
That data is based on surveys that the justice system gives to victims of crimes... it talks very clearly about where the data comes from. I'm pretty sure that the US Department of Justice endorsed research is a little more weighty than your personal opinion on the matter.

And if you can't find any news stories about a random gun owner stopping crime, then you're not looking very hard. Hell, after making eye contact with a concealed carry permit holder pointing a gun at him, the Clackamas Mall shooter then killed himself.

There's the Aurora, CO Church shooting where a man who crashed a car in the church's parking lot and then shot people who were coming to his aid was stopped by an off duty police woman.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/suspect-in-colo-church-sh_n_1450313.html

But of course, the real reason there are no news stories about gun owners STOPPING CRIME is because if they did, there's no giant crime, and therefore nothing for the media to sensationalize. Just another blip in an police blotter.
hinoema 3rd-Feb-2013 07:17 am (UTC)
One story, and the shooter was a reserve police officer. Nice try, though.
hinoema 3rd-Feb-2013 07:23 am (UTC)
That's not the point. The point is that a professional civil defense organization is structured and mostly accountable. One thing the 'guns for all' crowd doesn't think of is this- police are held to standards of conduct with weapons. How the hell do you maintain standards with every random Joe having a gun, thinking they have authority to use it but then thinking that training and licensing are impositions? You can't. You go from law by law to law by vigilante collusion. A murder masquerading as self defense- especially if done by a white man- is far more likely than now (which is already pretty damn likely to to be hand waived away.

You wouldn't give a random neighborhood block of people guns, set them down in Iraq and tell them to have at it, would you? Hell no, people would say that's why we have trained soldiers.

That's why we have trained police. Civilians aren't bound to judge appropriate force by rule of law.

Edited at 2013-02-03 07:23 am (UTC)
hinoema 3rd-Feb-2013 07:25 am (UTC)
Read my post. It explains why all the links in the world like this only illustrate the problem, not a solution.
alexvdl 3rd-Feb-2013 07:37 am (UTC)
"That data is based on telephone surveys and undocumented claims. I'm talking about actual documented instances of such. Why no news stories about a random gun owner stopping a shooting spree or similar? "

You keep moving the goal post. First, you questioned a government research institution and how it gathered its data with a mere handwave and claims of "undocumentation". Then you asked why there are no news stories, when there are a LOT. Now you want to change the subject and talk about "training and licensing" etc.

But what you said is "And how prevalent "brave gun owner stopping crimes and defeating mass murderers" isn't. "

108,000 times a year, someone uses a gun to prevent or stop a crime. Guns are used to both commit and stop crime.

And, if you think that I'm not in favor of people being trained how to use guns, then you're crazy. I think that a proper gun safety course taught to all US citizens would go a long way towards destigmatizing guns and making sure that the amount of ND deaths go down dramatically.
hinoema 3rd-Feb-2013 08:53 am (UTC)
You keep moving the goal post. First, you questioned a government research institution and how it gathered its data with a mere handwave and claims of "undocumentation". Then you asked why there are no news stories, when there are a LOT.

Well, one thing I didn't say, because I though it was obvious, was that a handful of stories of effective gun defense against tens and hundreds and thousands of incidences of inappropriate use means that the number of successful civilian defensive uses of guns is a tiny fraction of the whole.

I am for gun regulation and safety, as I'm sure you are. I am against encouraging the mindset where an armed civilian population is expected to act as a police force, and that doing so is lauded as heroism instead of looked on as a regrettable action and a failure of the system. We had militias in my neighborhood a while back; we ran them off.
alexvdl 3rd-Feb-2013 09:07 am (UTC)
Except, the DATA says that there are far more times that guns have STOPPED crime, than they are used FOR crime. Just like the the grand majority of guns in the US are NEVER USED in crimes.

Hell, half of what you call "inappropriate use" are suicides. Of the 30,470 firearm-related deaths in the United States in 2010, 19,392 (63.6%) were suicide deaths, and 11,078 (36.4%) homicide deaths

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_Violence_Related_Injury_Deaths_2010-a.pdf (which is a pretty interesting graphic in and of itself. More people aged 65+ used firearms to commit than people aged 15-24 were killed with firearms)

Also, as an aside, while researching I found a HuffPo article with this paragraph "Alexander Xavier Shaw, 18, put a gun to his head to show how safe it was. "Witnesses told officers that Shaw, his uncle, grandparents and some friends were on the back patio talking when he showed them a .38-caliber revolver," a St. Petersburg, Fla., newspaper account said. The gun accidentally fired, killing Shaw. "
dumpweeds 31st-Jan-2013 08:37 pm (UTC)
for fuck's sake.
soleiltropiques 31st-Jan-2013 08:39 pm (UTC)
*ANOTHER* shooting?

Dear God. This needs to stop. Please.
kitchen_poet 1st-Feb-2013 12:18 am (UTC)
THIS. It feels like this happens every other week now. I just can't even deal with it. :(
schexyschteve 1st-Feb-2013 12:39 am (UTC)
Every other week? Try every day. :(
sunktheglow 31st-Jan-2013 08:47 pm (UTC)
It's okay, guys, I'm sure he was just using this gun to protect himself. Facepalm.
suwiel 31st-Jan-2013 09:13 pm (UTC)
THIS NEEDS TO STOP. Like...forever ago.
intrikate88 31st-Jan-2013 09:57 pm (UTC)
That is six miles from my house. I just... those kids could be some of my friends' neighbors.

Fucking hell.
wrestlingdog 31st-Jan-2013 10:36 pm (UTC)
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poetic_pixie_13 31st-Jan-2013 10:41 pm (UTC)
Jesus fucking Christ.
louisiane_fille 31st-Jan-2013 11:16 pm (UTC)
I saw something on Twitter that around the same time this shooting took place, a boy at a school in Raleigh was caught with a gun. And the gun nuts don't think we need gun control? WTF.

Edited at 2013-01-31 11:16 pm (UTC)
hinoema 1st-Feb-2013 05:01 am (UTC)
I spent six months on a grand jury in Tucson, and yeah, the sheer volume of gun related assaults and homicide cases dwarfed the number that actually got press. Even what we're seeing on a daily basis here at _P is still just the tip of the iceberg. That's a huge reason I'm so against casual gun ownership except low power rifles for hunting.
korppi_ravn 1st-Feb-2013 02:24 pm (UTC)
get your shit together America
the_gabih 1st-Feb-2013 09:18 pm (UTC)
...is it bad that my initial reaction was an exasperated 'not again'? Because yeah. What the fuck, America? Stop it with this shit.
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