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3-year-old S.C. boy killed after mistaking pink handgun for toy

3:13 pm - 02/05/2013

A 3-year-old boy in Greenville, South Carolina was shot in the head and killed on Friday after he started playing with a pink handgun because he thought it was a toy.

Police responding to the shooting at Haywood Plantation Apartments said that Tmorej Smith was found with a gunshot wound to the head, according to The Associated Press.  Investigators determined that Tmorej and his 7-year-old sister had been playing with a pink handgun when the incident occurred.  Deputy Coroner Jeff Fowler ruled the shooting an accidental homicide.



Fowler said that the shooting happened in a bedroom, while the boy’s grandparents were in the living room. The parents were not at home at the time.



“If you have guns, if you own guns mostly we would prefer you have them in a lock box,” Greenville Police Media Relations Officer Jonathan Bragg told WYFF. “At least have them out of the reach of children (OP: Y'don't say??)  Police had not yet revealed who fired the weapon.

Pink handguns and Hello Kitty assault rifles have been part of an effort to get firearms in the hands of women and younger groups in recent years. In 2011, Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R) was criticized after she pointed her loaded raspberry-pink handgun at a reporter.

“Oh, it’s so cute,” Klein told the reporter as she aimed the gun’s laser pointer at the reporter’s chest, adding that the firearm’s lack of a trigger safety should not be a reason to worry.



“I just didn’t have my hand on the trigger,” she said.




Source: Raw Story with video)

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mastadge <i>In 2011, Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R) was criticized after she pointed her loaded raspberry-5th-Feb-2013 08:36 pm (UTC)
In 2011, Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R) was criticized after she pointed her loaded raspberry-pink handgun at a reporter. “Oh, it’s so cute,” Klein told the reporter as she aimed the gun’s laser pointer at the reporter’s chest

Isn't it illegal to aim a weapon at someone in most circumstances that don't involve defense?
seeinglife Re: <i>In 2011, Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R) was criticized after she pointed her loaded raspbe5th-Feb-2013 08:39 pm (UTC)
It sure is in my state (RI), a felony specifically.
mollywobbles867 5th-Feb-2013 08:37 pm (UTC)
Shouldn't the parents or grandparents be charged with negligent homicide? Someone left the gun where the kids got hold of it, someone was very careless. Also, who leaves their gun loaded and doesn't put it in a lock box?

“Oh, it’s so cute,” Klein told the reporter as she aimed the gun’s laser pointer at the reporter’s chest, adding that the firearm’s lack of a trigger safety should not be a reason to worry.


“I just didn’t have my hand on the trigger,” she said.


............... The heights of stupidity that humanity continues to reach astound me.
lady_tigerlily 5th-Feb-2013 08:38 pm (UTC)
I agree with this comment so very much.

ETA: I'm always astounded and grossed out that so many people will pay top dollar for a firearm, but not spend much if ANY money on the necessary safety precautions to go with it, like locks, safes, cases, etc. And the sheer amount of people who not only think it's okay to leave a loaded gun just... around, but who think it's a GOOD idea.

Edited at 2013-02-05 08:41 pm (UTC)
seeinglife 5th-Feb-2013 08:38 pm (UTC)
I don't even know what I can say about a senselessly dead little kid, so I'm gonna go with a big, huge, OMGWTF at the senator mentioned in the end of the article! The first thing I was ever taught about responsible gun use was to never, ever, ever point a gun at a person, even if my finger wasn't on the trigger, even if the safety was on if applicable, even if it wasn't loaded, unless I had already determined that I needed to kill that person for self defense... because if anything goes wrong, somebody dead is easily the result. Not fucking cool, and all the pink and cute in the world can't make it so.
lady_tigerlily 5th-Feb-2013 08:54 pm (UTC)
Not fucking cool, and all the pink and cute in the world can't make it so.

They're not even that cute, if you ask me:




keeperofthekeys 5th-Feb-2013 08:41 pm (UTC)
Could we maybe get this behind a cut? Like that first paragraph especially?
lady_tigerlily 5th-Feb-2013 08:44 pm (UTC)
Fixed.
dumpweeds 5th-Feb-2013 08:52 pm (UTC)
why are children playing with guns???? why are guns out where children can get to them????

FUCK THIS. one of my childhood friends died from a completely preventable gunshot wound.
lady_tigerlily 5th-Feb-2013 09:00 pm (UTC)
Three people close to me over the course of my short life have committed suicide with their parents' unattended handguns before the age of 18 (a cousin, age 14; a family friend, age 16, and a friend I grew up playing soccer with, age 16). Statistics show that a loaded gun in the home causes the likelihood of suicide and accidental homicide/injury of the residents to SKYROCKET. Home invasion, my ass.

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.abstract

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100204/Guns-in-homes-can-increase-risk-of-death-and-firearm-related-violence.aspx

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walker-bragman/gun-myths_b_2585941.html
winniechili 5th-Feb-2013 08:53 pm (UTC)
The fuck do you need pink and fucking Hello Kitty guns for?????? I hate all these fucking people.
lady_tigerlily 5th-Feb-2013 08:55 pm (UTC)
Because cuuuuuuuuuuute. /eyeroll

Edited at 2013-02-05 08:55 pm (UTC)
ajremix 5th-Feb-2013 08:59 pm (UTC)
Pink handguns and Hello Kitty assault rifles have been part of an effort to get firearms in the hands of women and younger groups in recent years.

No. You do not get firearms because it is ~cute~ or ~trendy~. You get one because it is necessary and you treat it like a fucking weapon because that is what it is. Meaning you take safety classes that teach you not to point it at someone even if it's not loaded and how to safely store it and keep it out of reach of children. It is not an accessory. It is something used to kill. Stop trying to diminish the dangerous of a goddamn weapon.
lady_tigerlily 5th-Feb-2013 09:01 pm (UTC)
MFTE
mamamilkshake 5th-Feb-2013 09:08 pm (UTC)
That poor child. These days you can't turn your head without hearing of another innocent life ended far too soon thanks to a firearm.

The HK and other trendy weapons disturb me greatly. Along with everything else related to firearm safety, I've brought up trendy and cute weapons specifically when discussing with my young daughter what to do should she ever come across a weapon or be shown one by a friend. We may not have any in our home but as she gets older and ventures off with friends to their homes, there's no telling what she might come across.

TBH, improper storage of firearms and the lackadaisical attitude surrounding these deadly objects weighs heavily in the anti-sleepover stance my husband and I discussed long before our daughter was born. You see, say, a pool in somebody's backyard and nobody would balk if you inquire to the parent about the rules and safety devices for the pool but do the same with a firearm? You could easily become a social pariah in some circles. (Not that I'd care when it comes to safety of course.) IMO that is deeply disturbing as threats to safety and dangerous objects need to discussed frankly and honestly. Hysteria does nothing to keep innocent people of all ages safe. Seriously so tired of the madness surrounding objects that easily and frequently kill innocent humans.

Edited at 2013-02-05 09:10 pm (UTC)
lady_tigerlily 5th-Feb-2013 09:19 pm (UTC)
You make a great point about the pool and I agree that these topics need to be put on the table and discussed without mincing. My parents are hunters and guns have always been a part of my life (rifles, though, not hand guns). But both of my parents taught me how to handle guns and knives from a relatively early age, starting with the most obvious: if you find one, don't touch it. Followed by: if you have one in your hand, you never EVER point it at someone or yourself. They also had me go with them on hunting trips to see the damage a gun does, and that you don't kill like it's just a fun jaunt, even if you're hunting game. Respect your weapon, your game, and other hunters. You never cut corners with a weapon; if it takes you longer to unlock, load, and prepare the gun to fire, better that than to walk around with a loaded gun.

It took the curiosity and forbidden fruit feeling away from those things, which even talking about it doesn't necessarily quell. But of course, the best thing is to have an open and running dialogue with kids about dangerous things, because as you said, hysteria does nothing for anyone.
234_am 5th-Feb-2013 09:25 pm (UTC)
this is so sad.

i remembering finding a pellet gun in my parent's closet. i was terrified and wouldn't let my younger brother go near it.

i really do think that all kids should be taught to fear weapons.

i hope this little guy didn't die in vain. gun laws need reviving. period.
chaya 6th-Feb-2013 04:16 am (UTC)
i really do think that all kids should be taught to fear weapons.

Tbh the most effective method (according to my anecdata) is to teach the kid to see it as a tool that is potentially incredibly dangerous. This is what responsible hunting families do - "This is what your daddy takes to go kill deer for us to eat. It can kill deer and it can kill you too so don't touch it, don't move it, when you're old enough we'll teach you to use one responsibly." Getting taught to just run from them is better than what a lot of parents do, though, which is to 'hide' it somewhere, not lock it, and never discuss it.
tiddlywinks103 5th-Feb-2013 09:43 pm (UTC)
So much stupid.

I hate hate hate how it can only be "suggested" that a person put their fucking gun in a lockbox.

That Arizona senator, wtf? UGH, so stuuuuupid!
lady_tigerlily 6th-Feb-2013 05:17 am (UTC)
fenris_lorsrai 5th-Feb-2013 10:03 pm (UTC)
Part of what disturbs me with the Hello Kitty guns is that it both obscures the guns functionality and emphasizes that it is a status symbol. You own that decorated weapon for some reason other than it's functionality.

You don't see designer staple guns. while you may sometimes see some with a variant design, its generally related to its functionality. The design is easier to clean, requires less pressure, is less likely to misfire, etc.

Same deal with power tools. Even when they dress them up in pink to try and make it "girl friendly" it is still basically just a color swap on the existing housing.* It is not a status symbol. If it not a fashion accessory, its a damn power drill!

So many gun designs are clearly NOT related to functionality. They are clearly just to emphasize that they are a status symbol. They sheer VARIETY of nonfuctional (or even dangerous) alterations in design make it clear what the gun is. It's NOT a tool. It's a lethal fashion accessory and status symbol.
fenris_lorsrai 5th-Feb-2013 10:05 pm (UTC)
* My father actually repainted a bunch of his tools pink because he worked outdoors a lot. The common yellows, blues, and blacks are actually really easy to loose outdoors. PINK however, its a hell of a lot harder to lose outside. so even the pink washing can have some accidental functionality.
unclesamonmars 5th-Feb-2013 10:07 pm (UTC)
It's just unfathomable to me the way some of these people treat their handguns. You wouldn't leave power tools in arms reach of children and unattended so it's just insane that someone would do that with a handgun, and it's really not that uncommon.

Growing up my dad collected guns and he had two safes: One massive vault for the guns and a small safe for the ammo. Guns were always unloaded when not in use. I know this isn't really ideal when a gun is being used for self defense purposes but when you have children in the home there are still things you can do to keep them from, you know.... shooting themselves. -_-

As for the senator, people handing me the blade side of a knife or scissors makes me seethe. I'd go nuts if some lady pointed a gun at me and told me not to worry about it.
offside_element 6th-Feb-2013 04:04 am (UTC)
Growing up my dad collected guns and he had two safes: One massive vault for the guns and a small safe for the ammo.

Same here. My Dad's family was (erm, is) big into trap shooting and no one was allowed to handle a gun unless they had adequate training and supervision. Guns were always stored in a safe and, as my Dad pointed out, if you want a gun in the house for defense then you should take the time to load it when you're home and unload it when you leave (and store the gun and the ammo separately).

This is just such a tragedy. I can't wrap my mind around it...I feel so sorry for the family :(.
corbyinoz 5th-Feb-2013 10:29 pm (UTC)
So sorry for that poor child and his poor family.

But supremely grateful to be living in Australia. Honestly - not having to routinely consider whether or not there would be guns in a home before letting my child go there is pretty damn nice. I can't quite fathom what it would be like to live in the country of Hello Kitty guns.
othellia 5th-Feb-2013 10:31 pm (UTC)
Oh, it’s so cute,” Klein told the reporter as she aimed the gun’s laser pointer at the reporter’s chest, adding that the firearm’s lack of a trigger safety should not be a reason to worry.

You never point a gun at someone with the SAFETY ON, let alone without it. Jesus Christ.
angelofdeath275 5th-Feb-2013 10:41 pm (UTC)
how the fuck do I respond

“Oh, it’s so cute,” Klein told the reporter as she aimed the gun’s laser pointer at the reporter’s chest, adding that the firearm’s lack of a trigger safety should not be a reason to worry.

HOW. THE. FUCK. DO I RESPOND TO THIS
lady_tigerlily 6th-Feb-2013 05:09 am (UTC)
MFW:

tabaqui 5th-Feb-2013 10:47 pm (UTC)
Fucking idiots and their fucking gun fetishes i am SO FUCKING SICK OF THIS.
lady_tigerlily 6th-Feb-2013 05:24 am (UTC)
idemandjustice 5th-Feb-2013 10:49 pm (UTC)
This shit just should not fucking exist.

I thought part of the reason toy guns were usually bright, ridiculous colors was so that kids could play with them without anyone, like police, mistaking them for real guns. This flies in the face of that.

Not to mention that I cannot even fathom a parent having a gun and not having it locked up in a safe.

So much basic gun safety being completely disregarded in this article, it makes me want to throw up or yell or kick things or all of the above.
zinnia_rose 5th-Feb-2013 10:59 pm (UTC)
That poor baby. D:

Pink handguns and Hello Kitty assault rifles have been part of an effort to get firearms in the hands of women and younger groups in recent years.
What the fuck is this?

In 2011, Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R) was criticized after she pointed her loaded raspberry-pink handgun at a reporter.
“Oh, it’s so cute,” Klein told the reporter as she aimed the gun’s laser pointer at the reporter’s chest, adding that the firearm’s lack of a trigger safety should not be a reason to worry.

“I just didn’t have my hand on the trigger,” she said.

WHATTHEFUCKINGFUCK. You NEVER point a loaded gun at anyone you don't intend to shoot! What is WRONG with this woman?!
lady_tigerlily 6th-Feb-2013 05:13 am (UTC)
The worst part, to me, is that she's by no means an outlier. Just... what the hell.
nicosian 5th-Feb-2013 11:29 pm (UTC)
Hey hey gun nuts!! hey!!! when are we gonna see you condemn this stuff and promote sane, safe, rational gun ownership?

Oh....right you're too busy buying up assault rifles and being afraid of a scaryworld where everyone's out to git ya, and saying how you're NOT LIKE THIS PERSON.

American gunfetishism is starting to make me re think future plans to visit. I'm a bit wary, I like my head when it's not shot off by some amped up gunfreak.


( I know one guy who owns guns and does so with the utmost responsibility but I still side eye his love of the gun, the others act like they're toys to collect. )

One of my sister's friends, her brother was killed by accidental gunfire, a rarity in canada, relatively speaking. It changed everyone.
very_veggie 6th-Feb-2013 12:09 am (UTC)
So much WTF in one post.
lady_tigerlily 6th-Feb-2013 05:11 am (UTC)
It's so demented, it's comical in a really morbid way. I just can't even anymore.
ebay313 6th-Feb-2013 12:43 am (UTC)
That is so terrible. I feel horrible for his sister who saw this (possibly even pulled the trigger), I don't see how you could ever get over that :(
sio 6th-Feb-2013 12:46 am (UTC)
i love Hello Kitty but i would never buy a fucking gun just because her face is stamped on it. WTF.
lunchy 6th-Feb-2013 02:01 am (UTC)
MTE I honestly can't think of a design that would make it even visually appealing, never mind that having a cute/toy-looking weapon is a horrible idea in the first place.
othellia 6th-Feb-2013 06:21 am (UTC)
Ice-T is getting a work out all over this comm recently.
mistyraven 6th-Feb-2013 03:47 am (UTC)
Ugh, my town :( Poor child... the owner of the gun should be charged with negligent homicide tbh. I hate that there aren't laws requiring owners to have locked storage for their guns, and I hate how many people around here keep insisting that our gun laws are ~just fine~
hinoema 6th-Feb-2013 05:00 am (UTC)
The biggest fallacy in the arguments of gun regulation critics is the false premise that the vast majority of people who have firearms are both competently trained and responsible.

Like hell they are.
lady_tigerlily 6th-Feb-2013 05:12 am (UTC)
As one of my friends put it today: "Every good guy with a gun is good until s/he becomes a bad guy with a gun."
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