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Kelly McParland: Irish compete for Canadian jobs; others prefer UI

5:07 pm - 02/13/2013
'Kelly McParland: Irish compete for Canadian jobs; others prefer UI'

Let’s take two stories, compare them, and figure out what it says about Canadian attitudes.


First story:

Irish job-seekers snap up yearly quota of Canadian ‘working holiday’ visas in just two days


In one of the starkest examples yet of Canada’s allure for Irish job-seekers, last week the Canadian embassy in Dublin saw its yearly quota of 6,350 “working holiday” visas snapped up in only two and a half days.


“It’s staggering; we all knew that the demand was going to be very high this year, but I don’t think anybody anticipated this,” said Cathy Murphy, executive director of the Toronto-based Irish Canadian Immigration Centre.


She called the surge in demand a sign of the “desperation of young people to get out.”


Last year, by contrast, it took Canada’s Irish embassy five months to hand out only 5,350 visas.


The visas are offered as part of International Experience Canada (IEC), a program that was originally designed to appeal to under-35 backpackers looking to make their “working holiday dream a reality!”

Second story:

P.E.I. single mom who staged protest after losing benefits in EI crackdown has payments reinstated

A Prince Edward Island woman who went on a month-long protest after being cut off from Employment Insurance because she wasn’t willing to commute to another part of the province has had her EI benefits reinstated.


Marlene Giersdorf, a single mother with an eight-year-old son, was advised Monday that her claim had been revised after her protest received national attention.


“I was elated to open the letter today,” she told P.E.I.’s Guardian newspaper Monday, after receiving the letter from Ottawa that said Service Canada had withdrawn its appeal of her benefits.


“It’s been the most difficult thing I’ve ever been through and I never want to do it again.”

It’s probably not completely fair to equate the two situations: Marlene Geirsdorf is a single mom with childcare responsibilities in a small town with limited opportunities. She said she couldn’t work in Charlottetown, a 40-minute drive away, because she didn’t have a car.

Still, she was offered a car and other support, and turned it down. And maybe this quote from a local CUPE honcho says something about the P.E.I. state of mind: “Employment insurance is paid by the worker and the employer, not the taxpayer,’’ insists Lori MacKay, president of CUPE on P.E.I. … This woman was fully entitled….this is a province where we can’t grow potatoes year round or land fish twelve months a year. That’s why there is such a thing as EI.”

On the other hand are thousands of people in Ireland willing to get on a plane and fly to Canada in hopes of landing a job, even for just six months. They evidently have families too: “We’re leaving two grannies behind … but we don’t see any future for us and our children,” said one woman in wavering voice.

There do seem to be jobs available, if you’re willing to go after them. It seems to depend on your degree of motivation, sense of responsibility, and feelings of entitlement, and which of those predominates.

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I just can't with thiis government regime anymore. I also just cannot with the cronies and other assorted sympathizers of the bunchs of neo cons we have running this country right now, like the nitwit who wrote this 'article'.

For those who are not Canadians and/or who are wondering what I'm talking about, I gave a variety of links to certain stories relating to Stephen Harper's government's actions here. Other examples which I did not include then are: (1) proposed cut of health care coverage for refugees, (2) their actions in the Omar Khadr case, (3) not hesitated to lavishly spend taxpayer monies for their personal comfort (see here and here), and (4) yet more mis-spending in relation to costly defense contracts. (NB: Some links in French.)

All this to say that yeah, I just can't with these people anymore.

lb_x 14th-Feb-2013 03:36 am (UTC)
Or driving taxi.

Everyone keeps telling me "oh you'll get a job [in your field] when everyone else retires!" but that doesn't seem to actually be happening.
lb_x 14th-Feb-2013 03:51 am (UTC)
And the ones that aren't out there with us, are completely out of touch. I've been told all through school that I will never have a permanent job. It will be contracts or multiple part time jobs for the rest of my life, if something doesn't change in the job market. But talk to anyone over 40 and they think you're being ~dramatic~ and it's "not that bad". Yet there is lots of evidence (in my field) that all the jobs "freed" up from retirements are either not replaced, or are made into part time positions.

And if there are no internships or p/t jobs, it's volunteer work. Which is great but doesn't pay my bills.
romp 14th-Feb-2013 04:05 am (UTC)
I have literally been hearing that since the 1980s.
soleiltropiques 14th-Feb-2013 04:03 am (UTC)
"I also have to mention how typical it is of our government to open their arms to white immigrants from Europe yet close the doors to refugees, particularly the Roma."

Ain't that the truth.

And fuck big oil. I'd like to leave more than a stinking pile of shit to my great-grandchildren, thank you.
romp 14th-Feb-2013 04:22 am (UTC)
This.

I think my younger child should just be a hippie artist. He can divide his time between a yurt on communal land and home with his parents. Seriously, if he doesn't have a passion like being a marine biologist or a midwife, I think he should train to work in a kitchen because that's one job he can find around here.
poetic_pixie_13 14th-Feb-2013 05:06 am (UTC)
I'm going to try for teacher's college out of the country and then stay and teach wherever I end up. I honestly don't want to start working and possibly setting down roots somewhere else because I know that I'll eventually want to come back.

Every long conversation my friends and I have ends up with us talking about how we have no real career options. Like, if we're lucky we can find full time work and hopefully pay the bills. But it won't be in our fields and it won't be the promised nice, comfortable middle-class existence reaped from a university education. We're all talk about how we should've gone to college. I'd be out already, have practical experience not be loaded with nearly as much debt.
desultory6 14th-Feb-2013 07:58 pm (UTC)
If you are interested in teaching, and willing to relocate, there is work in the UK. I got hired immediately after Teacher's College. I want to go back to Canada eventually, but the opportunities for teachers are better in the UK right now.
givemethepeasx 15th-Feb-2013 11:43 pm (UTC)
Anyone i know thats emigrated to canada has got a job upon arrival and it's not on oil rigs, it's in construction. The jobs market is definately better than in ireland.
amorvincitnos 14th-Feb-2013 03:39 am (UTC)
This bullshit recently about EI being for "entitled" people and the whole "hey, let's force people into jobs at less than they were being paid before if they are keeping on EI too long" makes me rage. I previously lived in Windsor, Ontario. Unemployment rates there are awful. It can be prohibitively difficult to get a job ANYWHERE if you don't have connections of some sort. People with degrees (yes, even "practical" ones) and/or years of work experience work at the call centre or in fast food.

Now I live in Calgary, where you can work full-time and still be homeless because the cost of living is prohibitively high, but you know, everyone should move to Alberta because JOBS and Calgary is the BEST CITY EVER.

Fuck Harper so much.
soleiltropiques 14th-Feb-2013 03:51 am (UTC)
...Or Quebec, either. We didn't vote for them in the last election either (mostly, we
voted NDP!). So far, they have been vastly unpopular here.

But then, like Ontario and the maritime provs., we're from the east of the country so we don't count.
soleiltropiques 14th-Feb-2013 03:56 am (UTC)
I'd add the North to that as well, except for the oil in the arctic. That they want.
romp 14th-Feb-2013 04:10 am (UTC)
May '14 is the earliest an election can be called, right? I can't imagine it'll be too long after that. But I live in a No Love for Harper bubble so maybe I'm wrong.
poetic_pixie_13 14th-Feb-2013 04:59 am (UTC)
After Rob Ford was elected and so much of Ontario went blue during the last election I just have no faith in this goddamned country anymore. Jack was my one big piece of hope and now that he's gone I just feel so done with this bullshit.
romp 14th-Feb-2013 05:08 am (UTC)
Yeah, it's scary. I've been hearing how the NDP might lose BC and... *boggle*

Push polls and robocalls and all this dishonesty. Winning by undermining democracy is okay with Canadians?! Although I'm still hoping to see proportional representation in my lifetime so I'm probably hopelessly naive.
poetic_pixie_13 14th-Feb-2013 05:44 am (UTC)
By the time the next election rolls around Harper will have been PM for at least eight years.

I hope to god the Liberals and the NDP have their shit together by then and use the anger of many Canadians to do something. I'm thinking what'll end up happening will be like Obama in '08. After eight years of Bush fucking things up there was no way that apathetic leftists or moderates will stay away from the polls.

I also need the two parties to get some goddamned common sense. I'm a 22 year old university student, I shouldn't feel like I can do a better job than whoever's running their PR right now.
velvetunicorn 14th-Feb-2013 03:46 am (UTC)
That article is so annoying. It's especially annoying because you pay into EI. It's not a handout plus you can only use it for as long as your contribution allows. Also, when people immigrate they do have a chance to start anywhere. I've moved to Alberta for jobs twice before and always came back because I couldn't get any traction. Now I have a condo and other obligations. I can't just pick up and leave. Not that it's easier for the Irish but I'm sure it's not a last minute decision that they just decided to uproot themselves.
ladypolitik 14th-Feb-2013 04:06 am (UTC)
That article is so annoying. It's especially annoying because you pay into EI. It's not a handout plus you can only use it for as long as your contribution allows.

UGH, THANK YOU; SAY THAT AGAIN A LITTLE LOUDER FOR THE KIDS IN THE BACK. This is, by far, my #1 cock-punching pet peeve from EI opponents.
poetic_pixie_13 14th-Feb-2013 04:56 am (UTC)
On the other hand are thousands of people in Ireland willing to get on a plane and fly to Canada in hopes of landing a job, even for just six months.



Canada's been using the Irish as cheap labour for centuries. Folks who are desperate come here, we give them the shittiest jobs with low pay and no benefits knowing that these folks can't speak out, even if they're treated horribly.

There do seem to be jobs available, if you’re willing to go after them.

Considering how hard it's been for me to find a fucking job I want to punch this person in the face. I've seriously considered putting a white sounding name on my resume and hope that if I snag an interview I can take it from there.

Just, ugh. Even if I did that I swear you need connections to get a goddamned job at a fast food place, people are so desperate.

It seems to depend on your degree of motivation, sense of responsibility, and feelings of entitlement, and which of those predominates.

Fuck you, you classist piece of shit. Believing that you shouldn't have to live just barely holding on isn't entitlement. I love it when right-wing asshats complain about that shit. The vast majority of entitled douches I've come across are upper-middle class whites who act as if they've worked so hard, getting their daddies to pay for their edcuation and then get them a good job when they graduate.



... I'm really bitter about my student loans and probably lack of career options once I graduate.
soleiltropiques 14th-Feb-2013 06:15 pm (UTC)
+1 on everything you said.

"... I'm really bitter about my student loans and probably lack of career options once I graduate."

You too, huh? I REALLY sympathize because it SUCKS -I certainly understand being bitter!

In my case, I owe in the range of 50,000$ in student loans, as a result of studying for too long, apparently ('cause I sure never took trips or bought cars with the money, that's for sure. Heck, I've never even owned a cellphone).

I think people like the person writing this article must have had their family pay their schooling, their cushy apartment, buy their computer, pay for their cable, phone, and other bills. But of course, we should all remember bootstraps, even though they never had to struggle. I've actually met people like this, and they live in a whole other universe, they really do.

A while ago I used to have nightmares about what would happen if I died suddenly and my parents inherited my debt. Thankfully, I have life insurance and I discovered that that at least would be covered.

Don't cha just love capitalism? /sarcasm

(Edited to remove some annoying typos)

Edited at 2013-02-14 06:18 pm (UTC)
soleiltropiques 14th-Feb-2013 09:34 pm (UTC)
Also...

"Considering how hard it's been for me to find a fucking job I want to punch this person in the face. I've seriously considered putting a white sounding name on my resume and hope that if I snag an interview I can take it from there.

Just, ugh. Even if I did that I swear you need connections to get a goddamned job at a fast food place, people are so desperate."

This is all too true and so wrong. I heard the results of a study done hust a few yeas ago in Montreal (i.e. where I live) and the results clearly showed that young black people had a significantly harder time finding jobs than white people.

So... yay Canadian racism, too. Ugh.

ediesedgwick 14th-Feb-2013 11:21 pm (UTC)
Wait, parents inherent children's debt in Canada? Or do you mean that they co-signed for your loans so they're on the hook because of that?
soleiltropiques 15th-Feb-2013 03:12 pm (UTC)
Actually, I'm really not sure. But I did have nightmares about it. I also REALLY wouldn't want my (hypothetical) children to inherit them.

It's a good question though: I'll have to go look up what the rules are for this.

Edited at 2013-02-15 03:12 pm (UTC)
eawen_penallion 14th-Feb-2013 11:35 pm (UTC)
Here in Ireland we the people are suffering under hugely severe austerity cuts, thanks to the f**ktard bankers and the politicians who enabled them. The latest government have just signed a deal where one of the major banks/culprits has had its debts taken on by the country. This will admittedly save some billions of euro but the payments of our HUGE loan to the European Banks will be still being paid by our children and grandchildren.

My daughter is nearly 18, has yet to take her Leaving Certificate exams and is looking forward to going to college. Seriously - once she has her education finished I truly expect that she will leave Ireland for goos. No jobs for the presently unemployed, reduced pay for those who still have jobs and basically, no hope: this makes the rush to emigrate to Canada much more understandable, maybe?

We didn't crash the banks, but we are having to pay for their reckless lunacy.

Edited at 2013-02-14 11:37 pm (UTC)
jslayeruk 15th-Feb-2013 10:53 am (UTC)
*nods*

Ireland was on course to have her first generation in over a century to choose remaining in Ireland over economic emigration before this crisis hit, according to statistics I've seen recently.
soleiltropiques 15th-Feb-2013 03:08 pm (UTC)
Yes. My mother is Irish (emigrated a few decades ago) and she gets depressed when she talks about how things are over there now.

I still can't believe the way we treat banks and corporations, as opposed to individuals, in this world. When banks and big corporations mismanage, misspend, and defraud, they get a pass and 'bailouts' from the little people's money. If we mismanage our funds however, things are quite different.

You'd think the *individuals* would be the ones who matter.

Apparently not.
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