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Indiana Bill Would Force Women To Undergo Two Transvaginal Probes To Take A Pill

7:44 pm - 02/21/2013
A medication abortion pill, officially known as RU-486, is the earliest available abortion option for a woman. A patient could be as little as one week pregnant and take the pill to terminate. But despite the incredibly early stage at which the pill is administered, a new bill proposed in the Indiana State Senate would require women to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound before they are permitted to simply swallow the medication.

Indiana’s effort follows a sweeping national trend to mandate the medically unnecessary and invasive procedure as a way to create barriers to abortion access. And theirs goes a step further, by also forcing clinics that administer the pill to meet all of the same requirements as a surgical abortion clinic:

The provision is included in Senate Bill 371, which also would require any clinic that dispenses the drug — known as RU-486 — to meet the same requirements as a clinic that performs surgical abortions, though physicians’ offices would be exempt.

Those requirements, opponents say, potentially would force the Planned Parenthood clinic in Lafayette to close. That clinic offers the abortion pill but does not perform surgical abortions. If the bill passes, the clinic would have to widen hallways and doorways to meet state specifications for surgery and install anesthesia, surgical and sterilization equipment.

Twelve states already have unnecessary ultrasound laws on the books, and over a dozen more are being considered in state houses across the country. But the theory that legislators are peddling — that such laws might change a woman’s mind — ignore the simple fact that 90 percent of women feel very confident about their decision to get an abortion before seeing a doctor. A transvaginal ultrasound may cause a woman discomfort and cost her more money, but it’s unlikely to change her constitutionally-protected decision to get an abortion.

UPDATE
Indiana’s bill is actually twice as invasive as most forced ultrasound bills, the Huffington Post reports. The version that advanced out of a Senate committee today would require women to undergo two transvaginal probes — before and after taking the abortion pill. There’s no medically necessary reason to require an ultrasound after an abortion procedure, since women can simply take a blood test to see whether their hormone levels have returned to normal to verify that they are no longer pregnant.

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kaelstra 22nd-Feb-2013 04:59 pm (UTC)
Wow. I am tired of this shit. I am tired of people trying to make it harder and harder to get a legally allowable abortion (not even that in this case!) by forcing women to jump through all these hoops. The pill works better the faster you can take it-but now you'd have to stop and go find a doctor that could see you and perform a transvaginal ultrasound, get them to sign off on it, then go back to the pharmacy (and pray they don't refuse to dispense it to you), and hope you get it in time.

I don't even begin to understand how they can legally force a woman to submit to even ONE of these, let alone to force them to submit to one after they've had it done. This is blackmail, pure and simple.

Edit because words. Also, fuck you, male politicians. Stop denying there is a war on women, because RIGHT HERE. HERE IT IS. HERE IS PROOF YOU HATE WOMEN AND WANT TO SUBJUGATE US INTO NOTHING MORE THAN BROODMARES.

Edited at 2013-02-22 05:30 pm (UTC)
kyra_neko_rei 22nd-Feb-2013 07:20 pm (UTC)
I thought they didn't use pharmacies for RU-486. I thought the clinic dispensed them personally, and sat around for the person getting the abortion to swallow the first pill, to prevent it being smuggled out and given to someone else.

I can't imagine what a nightmare getting RU-486 from a pharmacy would be. I also can't imagine the people who run the clinics trusting any random pharmacist to hand the pills over without fuss.
the_siobhan 22nd-Feb-2013 05:16 pm (UTC)
And they pretend this isn't about punishing people.
poopanna 22nd-Feb-2013 05:23 pm (UTC)
I don't know if I'm disgusted or just sad.

This bullshit is getting so fucking old.
moonshaz 23rd-Feb-2013 06:51 am (UTC)
Disgusted OR sad? I vote for BOTH. In quadruplicate.
miriamele 22nd-Feb-2013 05:24 pm (UTC)
This whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.

This shit is absurd.
magenta_girl 22nd-Feb-2013 05:25 pm (UTC)
I would hope that this kind of crap would go away as the old white male politicians die off, but then I look at the new line of asshole young white malepoliticians and I wonder if it will ever end!

*edited to add 'male'

Edited at 2013-02-22 05:26 pm (UTC)
mollywobbles867 22nd-Feb-2013 05:34 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I look at some of the white males that I went to grad school with and I'm not optimistic.
glamoursnipe 22nd-Feb-2013 05:48 pm (UTC)
What the eternal fuck are these people doing? Filling out some kind of Oppressive Legislature Bingo Card?

kittenmommy 22nd-Feb-2013 06:32 pm (UTC)

I used to laugh at people who said that The Handmaid's Tale was going to be reality soon.

Now... welcome to Gilead.
234_am 22nd-Feb-2013 11:15 pm (UTC)
this! oh, this so much.
lurkch 22nd-Feb-2013 06:37 pm (UTC)
I'm (morbidly) curious as to how they think they are going to enforce the scan after the abortion. Since there is no medical justification (for either), why would women go back for the second one? Are they planning on throwing women in jail? Fining them?
estasi 22nd-Feb-2013 06:44 pm (UTC)
When I had mine done, if I didn't go to confirm that the pill had been effective with a scan, my insurance would not cover any of the procedure and all of it would have to have been paid out of my pocket. So I had two of these scans done, one before and one after, and I did find the second so unnecessary. But of course, I could not afford to not have it covered.
ginger_maya 22nd-Feb-2013 06:59 pm (UTC)
Control through rape. The oldest tactic in the book.
toastieghostie 22nd-Feb-2013 07:16 pm (UTC)
I seriously fucking think these legislators form committees solely to think up what new, even more terrible punishments they can inflict on anyone who dares to have a uterus. Jesus fucking christ on a cracker this is awful. Someone tell these assholes to stop playing doctor and let people have an ounce of privacy and respect for once.
brbsb 22nd-Feb-2013 07:33 pm (UTC)
I am so ashamed of my home state so often when it comes to politics.
ahzuri 23rd-Feb-2013 03:21 am (UTC)
You and me both. Not real fucking sure why I moved back here.
crossfire 22nd-Feb-2013 08:22 pm (UTC)
Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
vulturoso 22nd-Feb-2013 08:59 pm (UTC)
Are there any other laws or legal practices that are repeatedly limited long after they've become legal?
wrestlingdog 22nd-Feb-2013 09:54 pm (UTC)
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Rachel Maddow did a great piece on this last night, btw.
tabaqui 22nd-Feb-2013 11:06 pm (UTC)
Ah, fucking hell.
shhh_its_s3cr3t 22nd-Feb-2013 11:13 pm (UTC)
Done with this BS war on women..... JUST STOP ALREADY.
mahsox_mahsox 23rd-Feb-2013 12:12 am (UTC)
The provision is included in Senate Bill 371, which also would require any clinic that dispenses the drug — known as RU-486 — to meet the same requirements as a clinic that performs surgical abortions, though physicians’ offices would be exempt.

I'm having trouble working out what it is about the difference between a clinic and a physicians office that means you can't relatively easily redefine one as the other to meet your needs at the time. Even if it means getting the doctors at the clinic to pay a peppercorn rent for their desk, so that their desk is really their own, and then getting them to bill the patient individually before assigning the ability to collect on those bills to the clinic. Does "physician" have some meaning in America that it doesn't have where I'm from? Here any doctor can run their own office if they wish.
encircleme 23rd-Feb-2013 12:26 am (UTC)
Basically, they know so few private-practice doctors perform this service that there's no point in regulating them. The few that do aren't (in their minds) baby-killing factories so they give them a free pass.

Also, that was probably a condition forced in there by the opposition so there would be at least some place to get RU-486 (even if they are incredibly scarse) without this invasion-even though most insurance companies and the few doctors who do give RU-486 already have the two-ultrasound rule in place as a CYA measure.
ahzuri 23rd-Feb-2013 03:12 am (UTC)
NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
paksenarrion2 There is not enough FUCK YOU in the world for these assholes23rd-Feb-2013 03:17 am (UTC)
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moonshaz 23rd-Feb-2013 07:03 am (UTC)
bowtomecha 23rd-Feb-2013 04:08 pm (UTC)
I hope millions of dollars gets donated to make a walmart sized abortion clinic with a day spa, cafe and dance floor just to piss off these fuckers.
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