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NRA ‘Home Defense’ Course Instructs Audience To Store Guns In Kids’ Room

6:06 pm - 05/04/2013


Gun owners should store a gun in their kids’ room, according to a ‘Home Defense Concepts’ seminar offered at the National Rifle Association’s Annual Meeting, comments that came just days after the fatal shooting of a two-year-old at the hands of her five-year-old brother.

The course was taught by Rob Pincus, who owns the popular firearm instruction company I.C.E. Training. Pincus argued that, in the event of a home invasion, parents would instinctually run to their children’s room anyway, they might as well have a gun stored there to kill two birds with one stone:

PINCUS: How about putting a quick-access safe in your kids’ room? [...] Good idea or bad idea? We have an emotional pushback to that. Here’s my position on this. If you’re worried that your kid is going to try to break into the safe that is in their bedroom with a gun in it, you have bigger problems than home defense. [Laughter] If you think that the kid who’s going to try to break into the safe because it’s in their room isn’t sneaking into your room to try to break into stuff, you’re naive and you have bigger problems than this. So let’s settle that issue and think about it. In the middle of the night, if I’m in the bathroom or getting a glass of water or in the bedroom or watching TV in the living room, if that alarm goes off and the glass breaks and the dog starts barking, what’s the instinct that most people are going to have, in regards to, “am I going to run across the house to get the gun, or am I going to run over here to help the screaming kid?” And if I’m going to go to the kid anyway, and I have an extra gun and an extra safe, why not put it in their closet?

Defensive gun use against home invasions are extremely rare. Many of the statistics commonly cited by the NRA and its allies are based on mathematically impossible calculations, and the best available evidence suggests that almost all criminals hit in gunfire were shot by other criminals.

However, children are wounded and killed by accidental gunshots with horrifying frequency. Roughly 900 kids were killed in gun suicides or accidents in 2010. A Center for Disease Control study of 30,000 incidents of children killed by accidental firearm discharge found kids 0-4 were 17 times more likely to be killed in a gun accident in the states with the four highest levels of gun ownership than those with the four lowest (the figure was 13 times for kids aged 5-14). Relatedly, a RAND Institute study found that only 39 percent of parents who own guns kept their guns “locked, unloaded, and separate from ammunition.”

Pincus teaches an intruder defense course in schools around the country.

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cuterabbit33 5th-May-2013 01:16 am (UTC)
NOPE.
nesmith 5th-May-2013 01:25 am (UTC)
No, NO potential there for something disastrous to happen!
layweed 5th-May-2013 01:31 am (UTC)
If you're that worried about being defenseless and not having a gun in reach 24/7 all day every day every minute of the day for the rest of your life you should probably do what Barret Wallace did and just graft a fucking cannon to your arm so you would never have to worry about not having a gun by your side ever again.
baka_tenshi 5th-May-2013 01:53 am (UTC)
but would never be a fraction cooler.
baka_tenshi 5th-May-2013 01:52 am (UTC)
so they really do just hate children, then.
thistlerose 5th-May-2013 02:03 am (UTC)
900 children. Jesus fucking Christ.

These people are unbelievable. They're like caricatures of actual human beings.
kittenmommy 5th-May-2013 02:11 am (UTC)

Gun owners should store a gun in their kids’ room

What could possibly go wrong?

according to a ‘Home Defense Concepts’ seminar offered at the National Rifle Association’s Annual Meeting

Now I'm starting to think that the NRA wants kids to get shot and killed.
ajremix 5th-May-2013 02:12 am (UTC)
39 percent of parents who own guns kept their guns “locked, unloaded, and separate from ammunition.”

And that would be why I want mandatory education or at least testing to be part and parcel with weapons purchasing. How to properly store and maintain weapons is as important and simpler than learning how to safely drive a damn vehicle.
theguindo 5th-May-2013 02:57 am (UTC)
39%?!?!?!

LESS THAN HALF

OF PARENTS

LESS THAN HALF
keeni84 5th-May-2013 02:22 am (UTC)
It's unreasonable to believe that people don't take shortcuts. Sure, you'll ask someone to have a locked safe to store guns, but 1. kids are smart and 2. parents take shortcuts.


mollywobbles867 5th-May-2013 02:30 am (UTC)
Literally the only thing I can think of to respond to this is a rage-filled scream.
dark_puck 5th-May-2013 02:35 am (UTC)
NO. IN FACT THAT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.


I am coming to the disturbing conclusion that the NRA doesn't actually know anything about gun safety.
serendipity_15 5th-May-2013 02:36 am (UTC)
At this point they really are an Onion article come to life.
girly123 5th-May-2013 03:18 am (UTC)
This was my exact first thought. It reads like an Onion article, with all of the absurdity, but none of the snark or fiction.
underlankers 5th-May-2013 03:30 am (UTC)
What.
corinn 5th-May-2013 03:49 am (UTC)
How about putting a quick-access safe in your kids’ room? [...] Good idea or bad idea?

Hmmmm.



Let's go with "probably bad."


If you’re worried that your kid is going to try to break into the safe that is in their bedroom with a gun in it, you have bigger problems than home defense.

If you're not worried about that, you must not spend much time with kids. They get into anything interesting. Safes are fascinating. My brother and I used to pretend bank robbers with my grampa's old document safe and I once spent half an hour opening and closing a fancy safe in a hotel room just because it was interesting.
layweed 5th-May-2013 04:54 pm (UTC)
Uh are those even locked? Idk that seems like awful design failure if a little kid could just poke at it for a bit and have it magically spring open. =\
hinoema 5th-May-2013 04:24 am (UTC)
In the middle of the night, if I’m in the bathroom or getting a glass of water or in the bedroom or watching TV in the living room, etc etc etc...

These people must be terrified every minute of every day. I'd feel sorry for them if we didn't have to suffer for their fears.

Of course, it's not like he's sincere. He's just painting this scary scenario so that he can sucker people into thinking they need to buy guns and his company can make money. That' all that matters; to hell with child safety or anything else, it's all about selling guns.
fifthmorn 5th-May-2013 05:11 am (UTC)
Aren't more people accidentally killed by their own guns at the hands of either themselves or one of their loved ones than say a burglar/rapist/murderer coming into their house?

I honestly think a loud dog is a better way to keep your house safe than a gun. My dog is very aggressive to strangers, she's very protective of us, I think she might actually kill someone if they tried to break in.
corinn 5th-May-2013 06:32 am (UTC)
Awhile back some jerkass relatives who were visiting learned the hard way that it's not polite to waltz into your relative's house unannounced even if you have a key when my dog rushed them snarling when she heard them come in. We didn't know they were there til she leaped up from her comfy spot and charged for the front of the house roaring like a hellhound. Glad they dodged out the door and I grabbed her before she could bite, but I was pleased ahaha. I hope that's a good deterrent for most burglars-- jimmy open the door, lean in, RAPIDLY APPROACHING FURIOUS HELLHOUND AT 12 O'CLOCK, back out because NOPE, NOT WORTH IT.

She's a sweet thing, only really barks at UPS trucks and small animals... but she gets pissed if anyone messes with windows/doors or tries to get in uninvited in any way. If we have the windows open for air, she gets up and makes the rounds checking them every hour or so.
xbriyeon 5th-May-2013 06:04 am (UTC)
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

.. because that makes complete sense. jesus christ
happythree 5th-May-2013 06:27 am (UTC)
How about putting a quick-access safe in your kids’ room? [...] Good idea or bad idea? We have an emotional pushback to that.

Opposing storing a gun in a child's room: emotionalism. Dreaming up highly specific scenarios for when you would need to run around the house cutting off the home invaders with a weapon that's out of reach as your alarms and children scream: just common sense.
caterfree10 5th-May-2013 06:30 am (UTC)
YES BECAUSE THE CASE OF THE 5 YEAR OLD WHO ACCIDENTALLY KILLED HIS 2 YEAR OLD SISTER IS TOTALLY A CLEAR INDICATION THAT THIS SHOULD BE A THING



The NRA has zero brains, I swear to fucking god.
moonshaz 7th-May-2013 02:07 am (UTC)
The NRA has $ signs for brain cells.
tigerdreams 5th-May-2013 08:29 am (UTC)
If you think that the kid who’s going to try to break into the safe because it’s in their room isn’t sneaking into your room to try to break into stuff, you’re naive and you have bigger problems than this.

Bullshit. Speaking as a former child, a kid is likely to think that if it's in their room, it's theirs or they can play with it. But many kids aren't allowed in their parents' bedrooms at all/unsupervised, and they respect those rules because they create a clear and easily understandable boundary -- unlike, "This thing is in your bedroom, in your closet where we keep your games and toys, but you can't touch it even though you can touch everything else around it."
happythree 5th-May-2013 04:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and plus, does the concept of risk mitigation escape this guy? Well, probably.
ladypolitik 5th-May-2013 11:04 am (UTC)
Im not sure who they think they're even trolling at this point.
abee 5th-May-2013 12:48 pm (UTC)
...

*takes paper articles of the five-year-boy and any kid's death all over the USA*

*folds them into airplanes*

*AIMS*

*tosses them to poke their little razor sharp noses right in the NRA's unprotected eyes, anuses, and genitals*

clevermanka 5th-May-2013 01:07 pm (UTC)
tabaqui 5th-May-2013 03:21 pm (UTC)
OH, FUCK this utter bullshite.
poetic_pixie_13 5th-May-2013 04:41 pm (UTC)
shhh_its_s3cr3t 6th-May-2013 03:54 am (UTC)
I give the fuck up trying to see these people as any sort of intelligent being on this planet.... because I just CAN NOT DO IT ANYMORE.

Mary Poppins... hold up girl, I'm coming with you! :((
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