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New York senate passes first step to create animal-abuser registry bill

9:03 am - 06/26/2013
A first of its kind, the New York senate just passed a bill that not only will require convicted animal abusers to register as such in New York (just like registered sex offenders), but also will require them to undergo psychiatric evaluation. As many are aware, animal abuse/torture is a gateway behavior to human abuse/murder.

The bill was inspired by Buster's Law, a case about a cat named Buster that was set on fire after being soaked in gasoline. The landmark case made animal cruelty in the state a felony offense.

New York Senator Greg Ball (R-Patterson) said that animal abusers are the worst kinds of people in our society whose behavior towards animals is a measuring stick by which to expect how they would treat people. Further, he shared that such violence cannot and will not be tolerated.

Three cheers for this guy!

The proposed registry will be accessible by the public in order that those involved in selling pets or hosting animal adoptions can look up names of potential pet parents to see if their names appear on the list.

The first step in the process is complete. Now the bill must go before the state's assembly for a vote. The bill's representative in assembly will be Rep. Jim Tedisco (R-Glenville).

The success of such a law will be a shining example for the other 49 states that will hopefully follow suit. Cross fingers and toes for the animal abuse registry.

source here

[personally, as someone who works for a rescue, i like this idea. what do the rest of you think?]

ETA: hey mods, could we get a TW for animal abuse tag, please? i added it to my cut line but it would be a good tag too. thx!
tigerdreams 26th-Jun-2013 04:12 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the warning in the cut-line! *thumbs-up*

Yeah... I don't see a downside to this. Especially if it will mean that the person convicted will be barred from future pet ownership (which, I don't know if is already a thing or not? It should be).
darth_eldritch 26th-Jun-2013 04:23 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes, yes,

It's overdue. It's no secret that animal abuse is tied in with violence and other forms of abuse.
kindergrinder 26th-Jun-2013 04:25 pm (UTC)
This is something that should've been in place a long time ago. Here's to hoping that it passes, and the rest of the states consider a similar bill.

Edited at 2013-06-26 04:25 pm (UTC)
the_physicist 26th-Jun-2013 04:36 pm (UTC)
well fuck me... through this article (and subsequent quick google search) I found out that in the USA you can search for sex offenders online, that everyone can see the registry.


they need that here.

So yeah, great idea for animals, but in other countries they first need to do this for sex offenders!
aviv_b 26th-Jun-2013 05:02 pm (UTC)
I'm really surprised by this. I can look at sex offenders in my precinct here in Chicago - it's pretty chilling.
the_physicist tw talk of sex offenders 26th-Jun-2013 05:42 pm (UTC)
well, they worry about the safety of the sex offenders.

but since this is possible in the US, i don't see why not in other countries. cause i have never heard the argument made with numbers, such as: the US does this, and XYZ statistics show it is a bad idea. all i hear is: "but consider the feelings of the sex offenders!"

the_siobhan Re: tw talk of sex offenders 26th-Jun-2013 05:55 pm (UTC)
My big caveat about that is that I would want to know that the people on the registry are actually on there for sexual assault and not for things like public urination or prostitutin.
the_physicist Re: tw talk of sex offenders 26th-Jun-2013 06:11 pm (UTC)
Yes, i didn't think of that. Here I am pretty sure that public urination and prostitution can't get you on the sex offender register (the police do keep one, it simply isn't online for people to look at.) I think if you own a brothel that is different though? possible. that's the only thing I could find on google relating to prostitution that might get someone in the UK put on that register. What is good is that it seems to also extend to offences committed abroad by UK citizens.

edit: i guess the thing is, I didn't see it as a big caveat, because i think it goes without saying that it should only be for actual sex offenders. >_> guh, countries who think urinating in public or being a sex worker are similar to child abuse or rape need to argh... yeah, just makes me angry. and sad. and i'm not trying to say the UK is great for sex workers, as it's illegal here.

Edited at 2013-06-26 06:14 pm (UTC)
the_physicist Re: tw talk of sex offenders 26th-Jun-2013 06:59 pm (UTC)
the list should say what the hell you did to get put on it. and stuff like urination shouldn't really be on it at all.
lolahead Re: tw talk of sex offenders 26th-Jun-2013 07:55 pm (UTC)
There are tiers of offence on Megan's List and you can see what tier they are on. I forget the complete details, but tier 1 is something like sexual misconduct (indecent exposure, masturbation in public, etc-not sure if urination is on there unless they did something else) tier 2 is sexual assault and tier 3 is sexual abuse of a child which could mean anything from purchasing child porn to molesting a child...

I actually get email updates when an offender moves in or even gets hired within my zip code and I take a good look at the offence. (I signed up for this because I want to know.) It makes you click a disclaimer every time you look at the site that you wont use the information to abuse the offenders listed in any way. They still do have rights to live in peace if they have served their sentence, privacy; however, is no longer one of them.
the_physicist Re: tw talk of sex offenders 26th-Jun-2013 09:26 pm (UTC)
it must be cultural. where i grew up it was probably technically against the law, but no one cared and if a guy had to go, he'd just pee against any wall in public. i have seen less public urination in the UK, so I think it's more frowned upon here. I think the law you'd use to fine someone in the UK for urinating in public would be some by law on being drunk and disorderly though.
chaya Re: tw talk of sex offenders 26th-Jun-2013 07:15 pm (UTC)
As it is now, aren't you listed with your charge? (So you'd see "public indecency" or something?)
lied_ohne_worte Re: tw talk of sex offenders 26th-Jun-2013 06:26 pm (UTC)
To be honest, I wouldn't want that sort of thing here. 1) I too have read that in the US people can get into that register for the strangest things, some of them related to any nudity being evil, and 2) I don't really see what benefit I would have in knowing there is a convicted sex offender near me. It's not as if I could do anything about it (although there would probably be people who would, which opens a whole other can of problems), so it would mainly result in making me paranoid.
the_physicist Re: tw talk of sex offenders 26th-Jun-2013 06:57 pm (UTC)
1) i don't see why one country being stupid with a system is a reason to be against a system. 2) i feel i would want to know so i could at the very least scowl at them in the street. it is too easy to have your crimes be forgotten and lost in anonymity and crimes like that should carry the penalty of being socially ostracised. i want to socially ostracise those people and i certainly want to know before dating them, i mean, so i can avoid dating them.
x0sweetbliss 26th-Jun-2013 06:10 pm (UTC)
The one time I was bored, so I searched my zipcode and saw that someone lived two straights over. It turned out to be someone who was in one of my classes and he'd been arrested for possession of child pornography. Creepy!
the_physicist 26th-Jun-2013 06:17 pm (UTC)
bloody terrifying
frelling_tralk 27th-Jun-2013 01:48 pm (UTC)
I'm really surprised at how that works tbh without problems with public order, because here in the UK it always seems to result in mobs of people outside someone's home if they found out that someone is a suspected sex offender
the_physicist 27th-Jun-2013 02:05 pm (UTC)
i now have visions of this turning into a "well if everyone had a gun" debate O_O .

i think the difference might be that if the whole list is available, rather than just one or two names, then people would get nothing else done if they formed mobs outside these people's houses?
aviv_b 26th-Jun-2013 05:01 pm (UTC)
Another animal shelter volunteer here. So long overdue.

Too bad it won't include companies who do factory farming and treat animals horribly. (And aren't corporations people too?)
thistlerose 26th-Jun-2013 05:22 pm (UTC)
I have no problem with this.
kittenmommy 1st-Jul-2013 04:26 am (UTC)

thistlerose 1st-Jul-2013 01:31 pm (UTC)
That's my boy, Lloyd. :)
kittenmommy 1st-Jul-2013 10:49 pm (UTC)

nerwende 26th-Jun-2013 05:46 pm (UTC)
Not my country but this gets a hell yes from me.
mastadge 26th-Jun-2013 05:53 pm (UTC)
Long overdue, I think.

I am a little unnerved that we really need to discussion of animal abuse being a gateway to human abuse. In my mind, animal abuse is sufficiently evil all by itself, regardless of whether abusive people go on to be abusive to other people as well.
tigerdreams 26th-Jun-2013 05:57 pm (UTC)
Agreed. The intentional and gratuitous infliction of pain and suffering on any being capable of feeling it is a moral outrage in itself.
kittenmommy 1st-Jul-2013 04:27 am (UTC)

evilnel 26th-Jun-2013 09:06 pm (UTC)
Hell yes.
tabaqui 26th-Jun-2013 10:02 pm (UTC)
This is a good thing.
kittenmommy 1st-Jul-2013 04:28 am (UTC)

It's only a matter of time before she escalates. And then, it'll be "OMG SHE WAS SO NICE NO ONE EVER SAW IT COMING!!!!".

I'm so, so, sorry about your poor kitty. *hugs*
kittenmommy 1st-Jul-2013 10:52 pm (UTC)

I hope she ends up behind bars, but if she decides to remove herself from this existence, you won't see any tears here. Hell, I'd help you plan the celebration party and pick the music for the dancing on her grave.

You're a better person than I; I think I'd be utterly consumed with making that evil piece of shit's life a living hell in any (legal) way I could.
moonshaz 26th-Jun-2013 11:50 pm (UTC)
This sounds like a great idea to me!
checkerdandy 27th-Jun-2013 12:40 am (UTC)
Would never pass in Idaho. Our animal cruelty laws are toothless, because of agriculture.
angelofdeath275 27th-Jun-2013 02:38 am (UTC)
wish it couldve been done sooner
romp 27th-Jun-2013 05:27 am (UTC)
another voice saying this is overdue--Canada needs something, anything, to beef up animal laws.
kittenmommy 1st-Jul-2013 04:25 am (UTC)

YAY! I'm so glad animal abuse is being taken seriously! First NY, the the world!

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