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Clinton Turns From Anger to Sarcasm

5:55 pm - 02/24/2008
On Saturday, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton showed her angry side, admonishing Senator Barack Obama for a campaign mailing that she called misleading.

On Sunday, before a rally of several thousand, she added a heavy dose of sarcasm.

“Now I could stand up here and say, let’s get everybody together, let’s get unified the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing,” she said, to a smattering of giggles. “And everyone will know we should do the right thing, and the world will be perfect.”

She added: “But I have no illusions about how hard this is going to be. You are not going to wave a magic wand and make the special interests disappear.”

video of this here.

Source.


It would appear the forces inside her campaign who told her to go scorched earth have won out. Strange, considering how well her softer side comes out. You really have to watch the video to get the full effect of this - in text, it doesn't sound all that bad. And then you have to sit back and wonder how she imagines she is going to win Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, Washington, and Minnesota in November when she has worked so hard to mock them. when she goes on attack like this (i.e. like yesterday's "enough with the big rallies") tirade, she is mocking Barack AND his supporters, ON TOP of saying they aren't significant or important states multiple times. good strategy (?!)
[info]randomneses 25th-Feb-2008 01:06 am (UTC)
*Laugh* Because Obama never said change would be hard. Okay.

I was so disappointed when I watched bits of her speech today. I wanted to hit her upside the head and I almost felt bad about it.

Edited at 2008-02-25 01:06 am (UTC)
[info]arabian 25th-Feb-2008 01:13 am (UTC)
I don't know what to say. What could possibly have made her or any advisor think that THIS was a good route? Seriously? She came across so very beautifully by the end of the debate last Thursday, even recovering from the malicious, and clearly incorrect "xerox change" line. And now this? First throwing tantrums (and that IS how it came across to me) about mailers that are ages old because her opponent dared to attack her health plan? In a primary season, when both are trying to point out why the other should not be elected? Hello!?!? Logic, where are you? Clearly, nowhere near Hillary Clinton or her camp.

And now THIS!?!? Mocking Barack Obama's hope and belief that America CAN be a better place? Why would she do that? Even if she does think it unbelievable, how can she and her team not realize that people WANT to believe it's possible ... and not just Obama supporters, but many of her supporters who believe that SHE can change things; they have HOPE in her!!! And she's mocking hope. That's what she's doing. Not him, not his policies, not his idealism, although clearly that's what she thinks. She's mocking hope. She's accepting cynicism; she's telling her supporters that things will stay at status quo, so give up the ghost. Why would she do this?

I simply do not understand why she is self-immolating so horrifically. She's giving so much credence to the Hillary-hate; she's giving clear as day, watch 'em on CNN, MSNBC and youtube, examples for the anti-Hillaries to point to and say: 'See, that's why I hate the bitch.' And that saddens me, it really does. It saddens me because I don't hate her; because I do genuinely think she wants to serve and well; because I do genuinely believe that she has done some good and would certainly be a better President than Bush or John McCain or, Lord help us, Mike Huckabee. If Obama were not in the running, I'd be voting for her.

This ... {shakes head} ... this just saddens me because I truly believe that Hillary Clinton is better than this. I just do not understand.

Edited at 2008-02-25 02:14 am (UTC)
[info]kenorland 25th-Feb-2008 02:50 am (UTC)
I agree with everything you've said here. Everything. I support Obama but I did not, DID NOT, want to see Hillary Clinton, who is one hell of an American, become this... character.

Did you read this? It drove me insane, it makes so much sense, that I want to forward it to the Clinton camp.
[info]randomneses 25th-Feb-2008 01:27 am (UTC)
Also, way to mock more than half of the democratic party, Hillz.
[info]ongildedwing 25th-Feb-2008 01:42 am (UTC)
Christ on a bicycle, she has really gone off the deep end.
[info]1000sanities 25th-Feb-2008 02:08 am (UTC)
Wow, someone's butthurt.

I liked her before. But now I'm just ... shaking my head every time she's on screen. It's desperate and immature. Her methods of separation within the party are the same ones she shouted about yesterday. People can smell mud like this from a mile away and she isn't doing anything but digging a hole.

Seriously, Hillary. What the fuck.
[info]prisness 25th-Feb-2008 02:11 am (UTC)
because everyone wants a president who doesn't believe in unity or hope.
[info]myraisgod 25th-Feb-2008 02:16 am (UTC)
I don't understand how alienating the people that follow your opponent is a tactic to get them to vote for you. If anything, things like this will only get them fired up even more. I just don't understand why anyone would think this was a good idea after all the praise she received after the debate. This didn't work in South Carolina and I don't see how it works now.
[info]wordnerd98 25th-Feb-2008 02:52 am (UTC)
She's only echoing what a lot of us believe. It sucks that anyone who dares to say anything against Obama's message of hope is looked down upon. There is nothing wrong with believing that Obama's goals are unrealistic. And his message is mockanble because he is a grown ass man not some sixteen year old who knows nothing of how the world works.

You know I wonder if this was his strategy all along. Preach this message of hope and sweeping change because it's what the people want to hear. If this is true, it actually makes him more underhanded than Billary because he knows that anyone who says against hope would be labeled as jaded and giving up.
[info]randomneses 25th-Feb-2008 02:59 am (UTC)
So believing in hope is now a strategy rather than a goal?

Obama has said repeatedly that change won't be easy.
[info]kyung 25th-Feb-2008 03:13 am (UTC)
lol. i can't say anything more negative about her. more hope bashing please!! we can't have dreams or hopes, because that's just being unrealistic.
[info]wordnerd98 25th-Feb-2008 03:16 am (UTC)
We can have dreams and hopes but need to keep in mind that sometimes forces that are out of our control prevent them from happening. But just blind hope, no thanks.
[info]allcleanedout 25th-Feb-2008 03:29 am (UTC)
there's a difference between hope and naivety. i hope for a better future for this country, but i have absolutely no disillusions about how difficult it will be. he's said himself, over and over again, that it will be hard, that he can't do it all by himself, that he needs our help.
i find this so insulting...i'm so sick of all obama supporters being labeled as idiots, who will just blindly follow whatever sounds good or is popular.
i just don't understand...she does these things over and over again, and every time i have to really wonder if she actually WANTS to win.
[info]lidane 25th-Feb-2008 03:50 am (UTC)
That video really is her "Dean Scream" moment, and I can honestly say I hope it torpedoes her chances here in Texas, and in all of the remaining states. If she's reduced to that level of pathetic, insulting bitchiness in order to win votes, she deserves to lose, and lose badly.

And if she somehow manages to steal win the nomination, I damn well won't be voting for her now. She's proven she doesn't have the temperament to be President. A real leader isn't that shrill and classless when backed into a corner.

It's a shame. I voted for Bill Clinton twice, and I was willing to give Hillary a second glance if Obama somehow didn't pull it off, but after watching her pull this stunt, she can forget it.
[info]silverfox1027 25th-Feb-2008 04:01 am (UTC)
I can't vote for her at this point, either. I was annoyed after SC, but deep down, I still considered her. Even after that laughable "shame on you," display, I was still thinking "Well...at least she's not McCain." Not anymore. That was officially it. I'm so tired of her.
[info]silverfox1027 25th-Feb-2008 03:58 am (UTC)
I really wanted to give Hillary a chance---seriously, I did. But it wasn't meant to be, clearly. This woman really wants me to dislike her.

I didn't see the purpose of that, honestly, especially considering that Obama has never promised a "just microwave for 5 minutes" brand of solutions. And Hillary sure is doing a great job of alienating half of the Democratic party right now. FYI Hillary, if you do get the nomination, you're going to be needing votes from those who supported Obama. After the various implications from you (and your supporters, for that matter) that all Obama supporters are delusional, idiotic blind sheep, good luck with that.
[info]fizzy_pepsi 25th-Feb-2008 06:15 am (UTC)
I really wanted to give Hillary a chance---seriously, I did.

I know the feeling. Two months ago I was completely unsure as to whether I'd be supporting Obama or Clinton...in fact, my support was leaning toward Clinton. After a couple of weeks of watching debates on TV, my support went to Obama.
[info]moonlitlake 25th-Feb-2008 04:18 am (UTC)
*head to desk*
Wow. Mmmm mm mmm. She is blowing it.

She's preaching to the bitter taste left in the choir's mouth at this point. The flavor of desperation. Man, I didn't think she'd go there...
Flailing about publicly to soothe her supporters "I feel your pain"... it just makes the numbers dwindle that much more. What kind of *ss is advising her? How in god's name do they think this is going to help?

If there were some way that she still got the nomination, we are so screwed. She just pissed and scared off a lot of people and now Nader's running.

Good going Hillary...


[info]melisande22 25th-Feb-2008 05:20 am (UTC)
Wtf? She's lost it. Not that I don't think that Obama shouldn't be mocked - I find certain aspects of Obamamania annoying myself. But what makes her think that this would improve her standing with voters? It boggles the mind. And I imagine that during the election, Republicans will be playing this video over and over again - "See, even the Clintons think he's a lightweight!" Brilliant. Now, frankly, I'm thrilled that she's losing.
[info]kyoumei 25th-Feb-2008 06:03 am (UTC)
Someone should burn that yellow jacket. It makes her look like Charlie Brown.

She might as well have been standing up there saying "Grass is green. The sky is blue. Fire is hot." I mean, anyone with half a brain knows that change isn't going to come easily. A lot of people know that she and Obama aren't magicians. They're not expecting sunshine and lollipops. But people still want to hear a positive message coming from the candidate they support. They don't want to hear sarcasm and negativity. They don't want to hear "Oh, it's going to be so hard to change things." No, they want to hear "Change isn't going to come easily but it will come."

I'm all for being realistic but don't mock people for being hopeful. The last thing you should want to do is alienate anyone. There are people who are going to feel that she's not only mocking Obama but that she's also mocking those who share his beliefs about change. If she gets the nomination then she's going to need the Obama supporters' votes. A lot of them are going to feel like the playground kid is asking them to come play after pushing them down in the sand. I know I probably will. Especially after what she said about caucuses.
[info]moonlitlake Classic. :)25th-Feb-2008 07:11 am (UTC)
Someone please create a pretty html frame for this equally funny and insightful comment.
[info]fizzy_pepsi 25th-Feb-2008 06:06 am (UTC)
You know, I have apprehensions about Obama. I don't fully, 100% trust him to be a great president. However, I have far more belief in his ability to lead this country than I have in Hillary. She's an intelligent woman - but that doesn't excuse her hypocrisy and her multiple personalities!

Hillary will not bring change because she is the exact same as the politicians before her who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty. To me, she seems like a brick wall, someone I can't relate with, someone I don't trust (regardless of her policy stances). I can imagine her being the Democrat version of Bush, honestly. Maybe not as stupid as him, but certainly as close-minded and probably even less able to negotiate foreign relations.

If you were the leader of a country that has strained relations with the U.S., would you prefer to have an American president who's willing to listen to you, who's willing to discuss rather than attack, or someone who will yell at you and force you to do what SHE wants and not what's best?

I hate that I get criticized for supporting Obama. Again, I don't agree with him on all the issues, and I don't have full trust in his abilities to lead the country (though I do trust him as a person, which is different). I DO have much, MUCH more trust placed in him, though, than in Hillary Clinton.

Plus I don't get pissed off every time I hear Obama's voice on the TV or radio like I do with Hillary.
[info]fizzy_pepsi 25th-Feb-2008 06:08 am (UTC)
Also, how can you promote change when you can't inspire people to help create it? Right now the majority of the country feels that it cannot do anything to improve living conditions for themselves, much less for the world. That needs to change - and that cannot be brought on by a politician as divisive as Hillary. Something about Obama makes people want to get out and go DO something as opposed to expecting the government to do it for them.
[info]another_grl 25th-Feb-2008 05:04 pm (UTC)
She criticized Obama, not his supporters. I'm sick of people not being able to criticize Obama without calling it an attack on his supporters.

How about when Obama said that there's no chance that Hillary can win (when that isn't the case)? How do you think that makes Hillary supporters feel? Yeah, it's a crappy feeling... but criticism is a two-way street. Just look at most of the comments here, and how negative people are about Hillary. It makes me feel awful... but you know, that's politics and people have different opinions.

Also, who cares? She was in RI, which is Clinton territory. There are a lot of people, including myself, who do not enjoy Obama's rhetoric. It's just sad that so few people are vocal about it. If it had been Obama who mocked Hillary, everyone here would have been all, "OMG!! LMAO!! That's hilarious!! He's so right!! She's a bitch!!"
[info]lidane 25th-Feb-2008 05:39 pm (UTC)
Er, no. Sorry. She's criticizing his supporters just as much as she is his rhetoric. And she's being a completely trashy, classless bitch in the process.

I voted for Bill twice. I defended both him and Hillary throughout the '90s from all the Republican nonsense. But no more. She's gone beyond the pale, and has proven that if she can't be the nominee, she's going to destroy the party and pave the way for President McCain. I would never give my vote to someone that craven and crass.
[info]spattergroit 26th-Feb-2008 01:11 pm (UTC)
Now had we Obama supporters actually defended Barack on this and it would have been wrong to do so, people would be going off calling us Obama-ites and whatever else they've made up. It's a little one-sided, eh?

She shouldn't have mocked him. If she respected him, she shouldn't have. I thought it was an "honor" to be on the stage with him. What happened to all that?

And when in the hell has there ever been anything wrong about hope? Obama said it would be hard to achieve several times, so what? If you want something you have to work for it and we want change.

Edited at 2008-02-26 01:16 pm (UTC)
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