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If Gays Get Married, Straight Black Men Will Run From Their Families!

 

Haven't heard enough reasons why legalizing same-sex marriage will ruin society? Well, here's a new argumentagainst repealing it: It would hurt the black family unit!

"One overpowering cause of black social failure is the breakdown of marriage in the black community. Nationally, the black illegitimacy rate is 71%; in some inner city areas, it is closer to 90%," writes Heather Mac Donald, a former lawyer and Manhattan Institute fellow who says she believes gay marriage is inevitable. "When boys grow up without any expectation that they will have to marry the mother of their children, they fail to learn the most basic lesson of personal responsibility. A community without the marriage norm is teetering on the edge of civilizational collapse, if it has not already fallen into the abyss. Fatherless black boys, who themselves experience no pressure to become marriageable mates as they grow up, end up joining gangs, dropping out of school, and embracing a “street” lifestyle in the absence of any male authority in the home."

Right, okay, but what does that have to do with gays getting married? (Emphasis ours):

If the black illegitimacy rate were not nearly three times the rate of whites’, I would have few qualms about gay marriage. Or if someone can guarantee that widespread gay marriage would not further erode the expectation among blacks that marriage is the proper context for raising children, I would also not worry. But no one can make that guarantee.

Why might it further depress the black marriage rate? There is a logical reason and a visceral reason. First, it sends the signal that marriage is simply about numbers: it is an institution that binds two (for the moment) people who are in love. It erases completely the significance that marriage is THE context in which the children of biological parents should be raised. And there are undoubtedly many other subtle meanings and effects of gay marriage that we cannot even imagine at the moment—which institutional shift is something that conservatives should be most attuned to.

As for the visceral reason: It is no secret that resistance to homosexuality is highest among the black population (though probably other ethnic minorities are close contenders). I fear that it will be harder than usual to persuade black men of the obligation to marry the mother of their children if the inevitable media saturation coverage associates marriage with homosexuals. Is the availability of homosexual marriage a valid reason to shun the institution? No, but that doesn’t make the reaction any less likely.

What are the chances that gay marriage would further doom marriage among blacks? I don’t know. Again, if someone can persuade me that the chances are zero, then I would be much more sanguine. But anything more than zero, I am reluctant to risk.

Is it fair to those gays who want to marry that their desires should be thwarted for the sake of black boys?Maybe not. And as has been pointed out many times before, it is exclusively heterosexuals who have eroded the institution of marriage through easy divorce, increasing rates of single-parenting, “blended” families, and co-habitation. But just because marriage is already in bad shape, for reasons wholly unrelated to gay marriage, doesn’t mean that gay marriage won’t weaken it further.

If only Ms. Mac Donald could remember a time when whites thought allowing interracial marriage would somehow destroy their unions — and not only how the moral logic didn't hold up, but neither did the theory.

Source
 

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misatojaganshi 7th-May-2009 03:05 pm (UTC)
omfg wtf is this bullshit?

if the inevitable media saturation coverage associates marriage with homosexuals



really? really??
sunoftheskye 7th-May-2009 03:06 pm (UTC)
I really am truly at a loss.
lara_aine 7th-May-2009 03:08 pm (UTC)
That's so convoluted it's actually amazing. She probably had to take breaks from writing every ten minutes because of the dizzy spells.
arisma 7th-May-2009 03:10 pm (UTC)
All evidence indicates she worked right through the dizzy.
arisma 7th-May-2009 03:09 pm (UTC)
So... no credit for anyone at all here, huh?
apocalypsos 7th-May-2009 03:09 pm (UTC)
Oh, ffs. For any of this to work, you have to assume that straight black men are all profoundly stupid.
hinoema 7th-May-2009 03:13 pm (UTC)
And secretly ghey.
mindrtist 7th-May-2009 03:09 pm (UTC)
It is no secret that resistance to homosexuality is highest among the black population (though probably other ethnic minorities are close contenders)

Is this true? If it is this surprises me greatly.

buffyx 7th-May-2009 03:27 pm (UTC)
o/t but I cannot stop giggling at your icon!
latenightapathy Consequences of gay marriage:7th-May-2009 03:11 pm (UTC)
Gays get married.

Also, lol at an institution that binds two (for the moment), and wtf at marriage is THE context in which the children of biological parents should be raised. Cos who the fuck cares about adopted kids, foster kids, step-children, protectorates of the state, etc. Amirite?

I was writing comments as I read, but there's so much WTF that I cannot even begin to comment, really. Also laughing at the idea that author is unwilling to risk a single Britney Spears-marriage for the sake of "black boys" or gay marriage.
erunamiryene Re: Consequences of gay marriage:7th-May-2009 03:22 pm (UTC)
I don't see your problem with marriage being THE context in which the children of biological parents should be raised. All three of my kids' dads are pretty hot. I'd like to be married to all three of them; I like having choices. ;)

Of course, the fact that they hate each other might make things a little difficult. XD
anythingbutgrey 7th-May-2009 03:11 pm (UTC)
mollywobbles867 7th-May-2009 03:11 pm (UTC)
So wait, wait, wait...the black illegitimacy rate is already really high according to the stats in this article. So...what? Gay marriage is going to make it a 100%? What the fuck? Logic is not their friend.

If the numbers are really that high, then maybe there's a bigger problem that should be addressed.

The bolded part is just ridiculous.
cutekawaii 7th-May-2009 03:35 pm (UTC)
This is exactly what I was thinking.
pinkrum 7th-May-2009 03:11 pm (UTC)


CRAZIEST THING I'VE READ IN...A REALLY LONG TIME
hinoema 7th-May-2009 03:15 pm (UTC)
First, it sends the signal that marriage is simply about numbers: it is an institution that binds two (for the moment) people who are in love. It erases completely the significance that marriage is THE context in which the children of biological parents should be raised.

Marriage is Only for Procreation, Bigotus 12:86.

*yawn*
erunamiryene 7th-May-2009 03:20 pm (UTC)
LOL @ Bigotus 12:86

Also, I love watching people who use that argument flounder around when you go, "So, men and women who are unable to have kids shouldn't get married."
dharmavati 7th-May-2009 03:16 pm (UTC)
I fear that it will be harder than usual to persuade black men of the obligation to marry the mother of their children if the inevitable media saturation coverage associates marriage with homosexuals.

WHUT.

That writer must have not heard the whoosh over her head when coming up with this argument.

nikoel 7th-May-2009 04:21 pm (UTC)
Seriously. How can that sentence make any semblance of sense to her?
cpsings4him 7th-May-2009 03:17 pm (UTC)
When words fail...there's always this face:

o_O?
pinkrum 7th-May-2009 03:17 pm (UTC)
ALSO lol @ the original source being "The Secular Right." When we can't use God as an argument, expect us to just make shit up!

Because I see no sources or footnotes (especially for that MORE BLACK MEN ARE IN THE CLOSET!!!1 or whatever bullshit) in her article.
sunoftheskye 7th-May-2009 03:18 pm (UTC)
When we can't use God as an argument, expect us to just make shit up!

LMAO.
erunamiryene 7th-May-2009 03:18 pm (UTC)
I've figured it out.

These people have 12 sided dice. They roll three of them to come up with these ridiculous stories.

"Okay, I got minority issues, personal responsibility, and gays! How do I tie this all together?"

It's like a new failboat party game.
buongiornodaisy 7th-May-2009 03:21 pm (UTC)
wut
mollywobbles867 7th-May-2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
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escherichiacola 7th-May-2009 03:22 pm (UTC)
Reading articles like this have lead me to conclude that straight people are just repressed homosexuals.
sunoftheskye 7th-May-2009 03:24 pm (UTC)
Or at least repressed bisexuals.
etude omg, their use of logic it's ... it's blinding.7th-May-2009 03:23 pm (UTC)
vivianstcloud Re: omg, their use of logic it's ... it's blinding.7th-May-2009 03:55 pm (UTC)
I HAVE to steal that!
mollying 7th-May-2009 03:24 pm (UTC)
i love how stupid this article is. also, the situation it conjures up.

"will you marry me?"

"ew, no! marriage is for gays, and white people."
rakugaking 7th-May-2009 03:34 pm (UTC)
It just reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer is allowed to marry gay couples then is grossed out when suggested by Lisa to start doing straight marriages.

"What do you call it when a guy is gay for a girl?"

"Straight?"
call_me_cash 7th-May-2009 03:32 pm (UTC)
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keeni84 7th-May-2009 04:45 pm (UTC)
LOL

ONTD_P does not fail when it comes to gifs.
serenity_winner 7th-May-2009 03:33 pm (UTC)
People have already commented on the multiple things wrong with this argument, but this one sticks out to me:
it will be harder than usual to persuade black men of the obligation to marry the mother of their children

Is she trying to say that getting married because there are kids is a good idea? Because fuck that. You should get married because you want to spend your life together, not because you procreated. If a mother and father have a strained relationship or if the father is a total douchebag his presence is not going to magically make the kids' lives all better. In all likeliness it'll make things worse.

My mom got married twice for my sake because she thought I needed a father. The first time to my alcoholic pothead father and, after she finally left him, my step father, who turned out to be an emotionally abusive control freak who wouldn't even let her visit her own family. Thank god she got it right the third time.

Marriage for the sake of children alone is never a good idea.
mollywobbles867 7th-May-2009 04:01 pm (UTC)
Jesus Christ, your mom's situation sounds exactly like my friend's, only she's still with husband number two. Though, she has expressed that unless things improve, divorce is looking mighty good. She has a kid with her first husband and two with the second. The first husband was a alcoholic, pothead, bipolar and the second is emotionally abusive, imo, and hers, though she won't call it that. Big mess.
caterfree10 7th-May-2009 03:37 pm (UTC)
WHUT? This person makes my brain hurt!

And could it kill them to cite some resources? Spouting off bullshit is not going to win you any friends. >_>
sunoftheskye 7th-May-2009 03:38 pm (UTC)
Do conservatives ever have sources for this type of shit? Other than pseudo-studies done by "pro-family" groups.
ceilidh_ann 7th-May-2009 03:40 pm (UTC)
I think they've run out of things to say and they're scrambling desperately for something to 'prove' their point. Nice to know facts don't matter.
fenris_lorsrai 7th-May-2009 03:42 pm (UTC)
Dear "writer", you may enjoy being hit repeatedly in the head with The Way we Never Were: American Families and the Nostalgia Trap on the lovely myth about how we're all nice, white, nuclear families with a breadwinner living in suburbia...NOT.

The whole binary approach to family formation is what really bugs me here. That somehow the only form of family that works is 2 straight parents with kids having procreative sex. No other family structure is considered a family in any way! Multigenerational? no. Blended? no. Adopted? no. Foster? no. Single? no.

That BLENDED is looked down on here is baffling. Really? You want the ideal family structure to be mom, dad, and kids. So if a parent dies and the surviving spouse wants to remarry, blended families don't count?

(related: high death by violence and incarceration rates may be the major reason for disintegration of black marriage. You can't marry someone that's not there.)

kimbari 7th-May-2009 07:02 pm (UTC)
somehow the only form of family that works is 2 straight parents with kids having procreative sex.

The KIDS are having sex? o_O


Sorry, comic relief desperately needed.
hourglasscreate 7th-May-2009 03:46 pm (UTC)
Wow.

You know years and years ago (1980's and early '90's) I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh. Back in the day he actually had some points. I'd be sitting there, listening, and then he would make some out of the blue comment that didn't follow at all. Suddenly I'd go from, 'you have a point' to 'where the hell did that come from?!' Eventually I stopped listening because nothing he said followed logically from anything else he had said. Apparently the conservatives have decided that since it worked so well for Rush it will work for all of them. I really hope they are wrong.
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