ONTD Political

~IRAN ELECTION FALLOUT DISCUSSION/LIVE POST~

11:21 am - 06/16/2009
[info]piratesswoop 16th-Jun-2009 03:38 pm (UTC)
the fact that i brought up iran on ONTD and someone asked "wait, what's happening" is really making me, idk, depressed?
[info]bluetooth16 16th-Jun-2009 03:40 pm (UTC)
ONTD tends not to be the greatest place for discussion of international issues. All they care about is Hannah Porntana '09.
[info]fruityphobia 16th-Jun-2009 04:00 pm (UTC)
The NYT article broke my heart..

“Here is my country,” a young woman said to me, voice breaking. “This is a coup. I could have worked in Europe but I came back for my people.” And she, too, sobbed.
[info]schmiss 16th-Jun-2009 03:42 pm (UTC)
Here are some things I've recently re-Tweeted:

RT @chrislhayes To all the labor haters out there; wherever there's an authoritarian regime, labor is fighting it. http://bit.ly/11QkiA

RT @jimsciuttoABC: #iranelection Iran has banned all foreign journalists from reporting on the sts.

RT @jryanlaw PLEASE READ! Please read this before you mindlessly retweet Iran-related tweets - http://bit.ly/9NfTP


If you are on Twitter, I definitely recommend reading the last one.
[info]jorajo 16th-Jun-2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
I just followed you bb. Thank you for that last link. I'm trying to be cautious about what I read.
[info]madali 16th-Jun-2009 03:43 pm (UTC)
And I wrote this on my journal, and I think it bears repeating, because I havent seen any blogs to such comparisons,


Interior Ministry releases provincial vote count

This means that they ARE getting concerned and are now trying to cover their tracks. Of course, the people in charge are really mishandling this fraud. While initially it might appease certain people, because numbers do always seem impressive, I think this makes it easier to prove it there were concerns over the results. It just makes it easy to compare these numbers with 2005 numbers. I'm mainly comparing Karoubi & Ahmedinijad because it is easier to compare them since they were both candidates. A quick summary, in 2005, the election went to second round as no one got above 50% votes In 2005, Ahmedinijad's first round votes were 20%, and Karoubi was 18%. He didn't go to the second round, because Rafsanjani was 22%. This time it didnt even go to the second round, because Ahmadinijad got 62% while Karoubi got LESS THAN 1%! I cant imagine so much change in a mere 4 years. Now, lets look at the numbers more closely.

I look at the province of Fars. . In Fars, in 2005, Ahmedinijad got only 242,535 votes (13%). In 2009? 1.7 million! Thats 68%. Karoubi got 16,277 this time (0.6%) but last time he got 546,633 votes (thats double Ahmedinijad's votes!) and he was at 30.9%. So this guy went from getting half a million vote to just 16 thousand?

Here is another quick comparison. Ahmedinijad is winning almost every single province, and almost all of them above 50%. But look at 2005 results, people are winning differently in different province. This makes sense, because Iran is a very diverse country. It would like USA having every single state vote for the same person. One can have a field day with these comparisons.

Oh yeah, caught another one. Look at the province of Kurdistan, usually conservatives lose this state, because of it being Sunni Kurds. Ahmedinijad got 22, 353 in 2005 with only 6%! Karoubi ot the highest at a whooping 32%. In 2009, Ahmedinijad got more than 10 times more than last time, at 315,689, at 51%! From 6% to 51% in four years. Did he suddenly become the hero of all Kurds? Karoubi went from 32% to just 2%! I mean, come on!

Now look at Lurestan. I'm referring to this link for Lurestan because its not showing that province in the above link (not sure why). Ahmedinjad is 71%, 677,829, Karoubi is 44, 036 at 5%. Four years back? Ahmedinijad at 8%! Only 69,710. Karoubi had a huge 55%, 440,247! So again, this guy went from 55% to 5% while Ahmedinijad went from 8% to 71%? In four years? And Karoubi IS FROM Lurestan, and I'm from the same state, Luries are ethnically very different than northern Iranians. They are much furthur away from Tehran, have their own dialect, and love backing their own people. Even 55% in 2005 seems low for Karroubi, but votes were split with 7 candidates instead of this year's four. Ahmedinijad got received only 8%, but other candidates got 4%, 1%, 7%, %9%, 15%, and only Karoubi getting 55%. That makes it 91%, leaving 9% for write-in candidates and such, meaning than that figure itself is bigger than what Ahmedinijad got in that state.

[info]dearmisterecho 16th-Jun-2009 04:07 pm (UTC)
I don't remember precisely what happened, but this all reminds me of the 2000/04 election where there were more Republican votes than there were people in the entire county or something...like very obviously fixed voting results. Argh I wish I could remember what it was!

*goes on an 'election fraud" wiki spree*
[info]ceilidh_ann 16th-Jun-2009 03:44 pm (UTC)
'Mass opposition rally' in Tehran (BBC):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8103577.stm
[info]one_hoopy_frood 16th-Jun-2009 03:45 pm (UTC)
Just in case anyone missed it in the last post, I've written an article to explain everything to those who don't know what is going on. Feel free to repost it anywhere and everywhere:
http://one-hoopy-frood.livejournal.com/10678.html
[info]calimoonchild 16th-Jun-2009 09:37 pm (UTC)
That is an EXCELLENT article. Thanks for putting that together.
[info]jlsigman 16th-Jun-2009 03:49 pm (UTC)
Best two people I'm following on Twitter right now are StopAhmadi and persiankiwi . Some of the things they've been Twittering have been horrible.
[info]lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
ProtesterHelp and Change_for_Iran are both great resources as well.
[info]brewsternorth 16th-Jun-2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
The Lede (NYT blog): updated regularly.

Guardian UK's live post and pictures. Notable article: Twitter delays maintenance shutdown to help Iranian protestors.

Edited at 2009-06-16 03:56 pm (UTC)
[info]leprofessional 16th-Jun-2009 03:52 pm (UTC)
lol. ~:)
[info]leprofessional 16th-Jun-2009 03:53 pm (UTC)
by lol I mean republicans care about us. my heart is filled with warmth and comfort. :)
[info]babytooths 16th-Jun-2009 03:53 pm (UTC)
Could we get the links from the original post included?
[info]jmclive 16th-Jun-2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
Does anyone else have facebook friends that just don't seem to give a shit? There isn't a comment about it on my update page and hasn't been all weekend. Needless to say, I'm disappointed.
[info]lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 03:55 pm (UTC)
The only facebook friends I have who care are ones who I've met through LJ. My irl friends haven't said a word.
[info]lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
Aww I feel like I'm being kicked out of my house. I've posted so many comments in the other live post that it feels like ~home.
[info]gothic_oreo 16th-Jun-2009 03:57 pm (UTC)
How many pages id it get to? I am afraid to go back and look.
[info]ao_kiddo 16th-Jun-2009 03:56 pm (UTC)
I am sick to my stomach and I can't stop fretting about this.

The last time our people had a revolution, it didn't end well.

I am so disheartened right now.
[info]lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
Hey girl. I was thinking about you yesterday and meant to facebook you but got swept up in something else. You don't have any family over there, do you?
[info]yesdrizella 16th-Jun-2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
ARGH. The Iranian group at my campus is holding a rally today, and I can't go because I have to watch fucking State of Play with my class for extra credit. :(
[info]jmclive 16th-Jun-2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
The British version or the American version?

It'll probably still be going on by the time your class gets out. Rally's usually last quite a long time, in my experience.
[info]lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
ProtesterHelp Tonight will be bloodiest yet in Tehran. Hope and pray the army don't receive orders. half a minute ago from web
[info]evilgmbethy 16th-Jun-2009 04:05 pm (UTC)
With the way they've very suddenly clamped down extra hard on journalism and their extra effort to stop the Twitter use, it does point to things getting very brutal today.
[info]nograviity 16th-Jun-2009 04:04 pm (UTC)
:O I go to bed and crazy things happen. Thirty minutes after mentioning getting anonymous to join the fray, it fucking does (given, its fringe-anon). And the exiled-prince is coming back, and all sorts of crazy stuff :O

You guys are awesome for keeping me updated~!<3
[info]keeperofthekeys 16th-Jun-2009 05:37 pm (UTC)
What's up with Anonymous?
[info]speaker 16th-Jun-2009 04:06 pm (UTC)
I know this is a pretty serious thread so far, but we need a little humor to cheer us up (andddd hopefully not just make everyone feel worse):

daily show clips (won't embed in comments for some reason)
[info]schonste 16th-Jun-2009 05:00 pm (UTC)
I can't watch them at work, but is Jason Jones still in Iran or was he back in the studio?
[info]fruityphobia 16th-Jun-2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
Insane photos from Iran protests.

via Twitter
[info]ao_kiddo 16th-Jun-2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8101841.stm

Don't know if this was posted, but it basically talks about how the last two election protests are nothing in comparision to this.



[info]cindel 16th-Jun-2009 04:11 pm (UTC)
Any USA rallys this week? I know there was one in Washington DC yesterday that I couldn't go to. Would love to meet up with other ONTDP.

[info]jittrbugg 16th-Jun-2009 05:14 pm (UTC)
I'm interested in figuring this out too! I'm hoping that there'll be another tonight or tomorrow in DC. Coudln't go the other day. So far, I haven't been able to find anything. :(
[info]ceilidh_ann 16th-Jun-2009 04:12 pm (UTC)
The BBC website is pretty good for Iran updates. There's a good Who's Who of the country's main figures.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8102406.stm
[info]piratesswoop 16th-Jun-2009 04:14 pm (UTC)
Change_for_Iran: there is no need to hide their names anymore Mobina Ehtrami, Fateme Borati, Kasra Sharafi, Kambiz Shoaee & Mohsen Imani; all killed by ansar

[info]andsowecollapse 16th-Jun-2009 04:15 pm (UTC)
:(
[info]lone_concertina 16th-Jun-2009 04:16 pm (UTC)
A Yahoo Message From Iran

A reader relays his friend's message from the scene:
They have arrested anybody they know. Some mullahs been arrested too, like Mohammad-Ali Abtahi.
They have blocked chat too. No chat. No mobile. No SMS. Nothing. And they are collecting all the satellite dishes. Twitter is blocked too. The only radio talking about protest 24 hours a day is Radio Farda, but we cant hear it good. I can hear it by satellite, but by radio it is so weak. [They are jamming it.] They are collecting satellite dishes.

The US should add a transmitter in Iraq. Radio Farda's only transmitter is in Dubai, so they need to add new one in Iraq.
[info]leprofessional 16th-Jun-2009 04:18 pm (UTC)
The US should add a transmitter in Iraq.

That's going to look real good and not sketchy and propagandaish and foreign interventiony, and counter to the Mousavi movement AT ALL. *eyeroll*
[info]this_love_lies 16th-Jun-2009 04:17 pm (UTC)
Aww... Hugs all around ONTD_P. You all have been amazing with keeping the info moving and credible as well as providing a great support system for those who feel a need to do SOMETHING/ ANYTHING.
One thing I have to ask: Does anyone know where I can get streaming coverage of the aftermath while at work? I need to get something done today, but it is very difficult knowing all of this is going on.

PS - I actually broke down and cried after checking my Twitter feed and seeing Change_For_Iran is back up and tweeting. Who knew any of us would get so invested in Twitter?
[info]ao_kiddo 16th-Jun-2009 04:19 pm (UTC)
I boycotted twitter. But I am going to make an account as soon as I go on lunch.

I don't need to be at work rn.
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