everything you hate, everything i love ([info]zacefronfiction) wrote in [info]ontd_political,
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Gay people party too much, gay-rights activists aren't happy



When the gay clientele of a New York bar staged a revolt against police harassment in June 1969 it sparked the awakening of the homosexual liberation movement. But 40 years on from the Stonewall rebellion, Britain's gay community is riven by a dispute over which should come first: politics or partying.

As thousands take to the streets of the British capital today for Gay Pride, which traditionally commemorates the US riots, critics hit out at Pride London for "depoliticising" the event and failing to feature its history in its literature or website.

Peter Tatchell, of the lesbian gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) human rights group, OutRage, and a patron of Pride London, condemned this year's slogan "Come and Play" as "totally anodyne" and accused the LGBT community of "huge apathy and complacency".

He said: "I'm shocked that Pride London has hardly mentioned the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall riots on its website or in its magazine. Most of the content is about entertainment and partying. To ignore and downplay this important anniversary is an insult to the veterans who began our momentous fight for freedom."

Citing police statistics showing a 63% rise in homophobic hate crimes in Manchester last year and a recent report from the Association of Teachers and Lecturers showing the term gay is still the most frequently used insult in schools, he said: "Lots of people assume that we've won equality and everything is hunky dory. But the battle for LGBT equality is still far from being won. Same-sex marriage is banned and there is a ban on gay and bisexual blood donors. LGBT refugees are often sent back to renewed persecution to violently homophobic countries like Uganda and Nigeria. Police refuse to prosecute fundamentalist clerics and reggae singers who openly advocate the murder of LGBT people. The government's current equality bill gives protection against harassment on all grounds except sexual orientation."

Echoing Tatchell's call for a stronger political message, Anisa de Jong, the director of the UK Lesbian and Gay Immigration Group, said: "Gay Pride should be providing more of a political space in line with its history which is about visibility being a political statement in itself. The whole Pride issue is not just about celebrating our identity but about making a political statement about our identity and addressing injustices."

Joseph Galliano, the outgoing editor of GT magazine (formerly Gay Times), welcomed the celebratory aspects of the march but warned against the loss of its heritage.

He said: "I don't want to be po-faced about it but that celebration is standing on the shoulders of people who made great sacrifices and they should be remembered."

Paul Birrell, of Pride London, defended the decision not to feature the Stonewall riots on the website, but said it would be mentioned in the rally at Trafalgar Square after the march today.

"We decided that the Stonewall anniversary would get a lot of mainstream press interest and, short of being a commemoration event of the Stonewall riots, there's not much Pride can do. We will talk about it on stage on the day."

He stressed that London was one of the few Pride UK marches to retain a campaigning element, but admitted that its focus had changed in recent years to attract more people.

"There's no point in having a march just for already politicised LGBT group members – you would be preaching to the converted," said Birrell. "If you want to campaign, you have to have an audience, so you need to make it fun. When we took over in 2004, only 10,000 people attended, but last year we had 823,000. Our predecessor, mardi gras, was run on a more militant basis, but no one was interested. It collapsed in 2003."

Birrell said the campaign behind the march this year was to protest against the ban on gay men donating blood, but there would be "important but boring" speeches from, among others, Harriet Harmen, the deputy leader of the Labour party, on anti-discrimination issues such as the Single Equality Act.

When asked if sponsorship was a factor in deciding the march's message, Birrell replied: "To a degree. If we were heavily politicised, there's no way we would be in Oxford Street and Regents Street. The traders wouldn't want it and they have a lot of clout with the council, but when they can see it attracts people into the city, they're happy."

Soho Pride cancelled its event this year due to a lack of sponsorship, while the recently elected mayor of Doncaster, Peter Davies, has threatened to cut funding to the town's Gay Pride event as part of his pledge to fight political correctness.

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I can personally see this from both sides point of view although I'm siding more with the LGBT human rights group more.  Clearly, the average person needs to be educated about homosexuality and how difficult it has been for them to get some of the rights they have today; I think that's an important history lesson. As well as that, the gay community should be having fun and partying it up during their Gay Pride - it is a celebration after all but they should remember what their celebrating in the first place and call attention upon it - which brings up their history again.
At the same time, like Paul Birrell has said; to have the event recognised and publicised; there has to be interest in it and so it seems (sadly) people are more interested in seeing the gay community playing up to their stereotypes than preaching about rights.
What are everyone's thoughts?


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[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 05:56 pm UTC

After years of involvement with the GLBT community, I've mostly extricated myself, and crap like this is why. The wank is epic, and I don't mean like 'teehee' epic, I mean like fandom_wank epic. 4chan epic. ONTD Live Post crashing-LJ epic. In a meeting of 10 people or less.

[info]zacefronfiction

2009-07-04 06:01 pm UTC

The wank is epic, and I don't mean like 'teehee' epic, I mean like fandom_wank epic. 4chan epic. ONTD Live Post crashing-LJ epic. In a meeting of 10 people or less.
Excuse my ignorance but I have no idea what those sentences meant. Explain? Thanks.

[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 06:07 pm UTC

[info]zacefronfiction

2009-07-04 06:41 pm UTC

[info]akuma_river

2009-07-05 03:08 am UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:05 pm UTC

[info]lastrega

2009-07-05 01:12 am UTC

[info]monokromeaurora

2009-07-04 06:08 pm UTC

That article was mostly tl;dr for me (for right now anyway, I'll read it more closely later) but as a gay rights activist myself (and also a pansexual)), sometimes it's hard to stand up for people when they go around acting like idiots. Like some of the gay riots that happened in california where they burned down a church.

I guess there are crazies on both sides of the fence. it's just a shame when the underdogs act wild and don't take their part so seriously, basically throwing away their good cause by partying/trashing things, etc.

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[info]dreitropfenblut

2009-07-04 07:21 pm UTC

Yeah. I wince a little every time a new state legalizes gay marriage.

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 08:25 pm UTC

[info]paulnolan

2009-07-04 08:45 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 08:23 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 08:59 pm UTC

[info]steamedwords

2009-07-04 06:17 pm UTC

My thought is that this a controversy that comes up over almost every Pride in every city, and it's dumb. I get annoyed at the commercialization of Pride myself (a lot of the festivals charge crazy admissions fees).

However, it's not the job of queer people to only celebrate in ways that educate "the average person". Additionally, I've found that there are a lot of political things being said and a lot of political information available at Pride...trouble is, lots of people see a few guys dancing around in undaroos and let that form their whole impression.

[info]nicole_anell

2009-07-04 06:24 pm UTC

Off-topic: love your icon.

[info]sunoftheskye

2009-07-04 06:28 pm UTC

[info]anewcitylife

2009-07-04 06:28 pm UTC

[info]steamedwords

2009-07-04 06:40 pm UTC

[info]anewcitylife

2009-07-04 06:48 pm UTC

[info]steamedwords

2009-07-04 06:58 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 08:11 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 08:12 pm UTC

[info]cgallivan

2009-07-04 06:28 pm UTC

[info]zacefronfiction

2009-07-04 06:35 pm UTC

[info]ladypolitik

2009-07-04 07:23 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 08:09 pm UTC

[info]evilgmbethy

2009-07-04 06:35 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 08:19 pm UTC

[info]maryaminx

2009-07-04 09:07 pm UTC

[info]___closetome

2009-07-04 10:05 pm UTC

[info]steamedwords

2009-07-05 01:37 am UTC

[info]lastrega

2009-07-05 11:52 am UTC

[info]anewcitylife

2009-07-04 06:32 pm UTC

This is half of the reason I don't participate in the LGBTQ community; however, I think the historical/political education side ought to be more centred on educating our community, as it often seems like we're losing that sense of history in a way. The younger generation (of which I am a part) has little knowledge of what came before.

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[info]steamedwords

2009-07-04 06:43 pm UTC

Many of the non-Irish people I know go to the St Patrick's Day parade to be ~cool~ or get hammered.

I wish more straight people would think it was cool to party with us!

[info]emotion_adri

2009-07-04 06:58 pm UTC

[info]celtic_thistle

2009-07-05 06:39 am UTC

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[info]hinoema

2009-07-04 07:05 pm UTC

This, thank you. So it's 'Boys one Wild' instead of 'Girls Gone Wild'. Let them have fun.

[info]akuma_river

2009-07-05 03:14 am UTC

[info]confusednazgul

2009-07-04 09:29 pm UTC

[info]akuma_river

2009-07-05 03:15 am UTC

[info]___closetome

2009-07-04 10:06 pm UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:16 pm UTC

[info]jmintmilano

2009-07-04 06:50 pm UTC

This is why i hate gay "culture". Mostly everyone wants to "party" and thats all they care about

[info]emotion_adri

2009-07-04 06:59 pm UTC

Is that bad?

[info]jmintmilano

2009-07-04 07:15 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 07:29 pm UTC

[info]britneyschalupa

2009-07-04 07:31 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 07:32 pm UTC

[info]jmintmilano

2009-07-04 07:34 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 07:36 pm UTC

[info]jmintmilano

2009-07-04 07:40 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 07:43 pm UTC

[info]jmintmilano

2009-07-04 07:45 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 07:55 pm UTC

[info]___closetome

2009-07-04 10:09 pm UTC

[info]dirrtymyke

2009-07-05 12:01 am UTC

[info]___closetome

2009-07-04 10:08 pm UTC

[info]amphibian23

2009-07-05 10:39 pm UTC

[info]sunoftheskye

2009-07-04 07:32 pm UTC

[info]jmintmilano

2009-07-04 07:33 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 07:34 pm UTC

[info]steamedwords

2009-07-05 06:14 am UTC

[info]coral_amber

2009-07-04 11:30 pm UTC

[info]fofomazuzu

2009-07-04 07:08 pm UTC

I do not find a problem being able to party and have a good time at a Pride parade.

We make gay culture a political statement the whole rest of the year, especially this year. Taking a break and having a good time is a good thing, and we should be pressured into think that we should think differently.

[info]fofomazuzu

2009-07-04 07:11 pm UTC

I miss my old edit button

*we should NOT be pressured ...

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:19 pm UTC

[info]dreitropfenblut

2009-07-04 07:08 pm UTC

Everyone claiming that they don't participate in the LGBT(QIA) community because they don't like the way things are generally run, that is EXACTLY why you should participate. Make your voice heard. There are a lot of things I don't like about the community, I get involved anyway and work to change it.

And I'm proud to have been one of those dudes prancing around in underoos at Pride.

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[info]dreitropfenblut

2009-07-04 07:16 pm UTC

[info]horcrionebay

2009-07-04 07:16 pm UTC

[info]fruhlings

2009-07-04 07:51 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 08:02 pm UTC

[info]in_vino_vanitas

2009-07-04 08:02 pm UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:20 pm UTC

[info]in_vino_vanitas

2009-07-04 07:14 pm UTC

what's with this community and red text.

at least make it sparkle.

[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 07:59 pm UTC

I like it; it's easier to read than (just) bold. At least for this near-blind folk it is.

[info]in_vino_vanitas

2009-07-04 08:01 pm UTC

[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 08:04 pm UTC

[info]britneyschalupa

2009-07-04 07:17 pm UTC

Oh so 20-somethings and under want to party like it's mardi gras on a day they feel most comfortable out instead of walking down the road with pamphlets to educate people.

Those bastards.

/sarcasm.

[info]fofomazuzu

2009-07-04 07:18 pm UTC

ILU

[info]ladypolitik

2009-07-04 07:22 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 08:33 pm UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:21 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 07:25 pm UTC Edited: 07:27 pm UTC

Lol some of the comments in here. Anyway this article was dumb. I don't relate to most of western gay culture but it's just ONE DAY OF THE YEAR and they have fun and try to feel liberated in their own ways and so what. Plus, there are several factors that go into why it is turning out the way it's turned out (mostly amongst white gays) and LE GASP, some demographic minorities are going to have problems with being disconnected from their history/culture, having higher suicide rates/drug abuse, some will have high teen pregnancy and sexual abuse rates, etc. etc. and I am getting sick of people writing high and mighty articles about WHAT THESE PEOPLE NEED TO DO TO FIX THE RESULTS OF THEIR DISENFRANCHISEMENT ETC whatever


eta: ew i sound so cranky

[info]sunoftheskye

2009-07-04 07:36 pm UTC

Lol some of the comments in here.

lol they don't surprise me in the slightest.

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 07:38 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 08:30 pm UTC

[info]sunoftheskye

2009-07-04 08:31 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 08:42 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 08:45 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 08:50 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 08:51 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 08:54 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 08:56 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 09:01 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 08:55 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 08:59 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 09:00 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 09:04 pm UTC

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[info]happythree

2009-07-04 09:08 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 09:07 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 09:08 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 09:10 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 09:12 pm UTC

[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 09:41 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 09:53 pm UTC

[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 09:57 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 10:16 pm UTC

[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 10:19 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 10:28 pm UTC

[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 10:36 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 09:12 pm UTC

[info]robi0688

2009-07-05 03:31 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 09:10 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 09:18 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 09:24 pm UTC

[info]___closetome

2009-07-04 10:13 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 10:30 pm UTC

[info]sirdrakesheir

2009-07-05 04:41 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 09:29 pm UTC

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 10:41 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 11:34 pm UTC

[info]aesthetik_dekay

2009-07-04 11:40 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 08:50 pm UTC

[info]bloody_pickle

2009-07-04 07:39 pm UTC

More clothing would be nice only because it's in a public setting. But other than that, whatever.

Giant parties freak me out anyways.

[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 08:00 pm UTC

This.

[info]sunoftheskye

2009-07-04 07:57 pm UTC

Is that someone doing a cartwheel in the background? LOL

[info]noveltynovelist

2009-07-04 09:48 pm UTC

I'm inclined to agree! LOL panties!

[info]hypsiboas

2009-07-04 08:10 pm UTC

Doesn't Tatchell support pedophilia? Just check out his website. :x

[info]roboplege

2009-07-05 10:41 am UTC

Er...I don't think he does.

[info]hypsiboas

2009-07-05 12:17 pm UTC

[info]roboplege

2009-07-05 02:21 pm UTC

[info]hypsiboas

2009-07-05 06:15 pm UTC

[info]roboplege

2009-07-05 06:26 pm UTC

[info]amphibian23

2009-07-05 10:32 pm UTC

[info]happythree

2009-07-04 08:13 pm UTC

Some of the comments on this post are depressingly one-dimensional. You're surprised that it may appear that a population that is told by society that their proclivities are abnormal at best and deviant at worst would at least appear to be more promiscuous, and more drawn to anonymity than the group that is told their sexuality is what is desirable, right, and perfectly okay to be open about (not that they even have to be told -- it's just there, it's just a given)?

And yeah, I realize that most of you making these comments are part of the GLBT population, but just because you have such an identity does not mean that you can't have misguided shame regarding these supposed communities. As a bisexual female who spent my teenage years regarded by my peers as straight, the difference in the connotations of my actions in those years versus my actions for the past couple years are like day and night, respectively speaking. When you're straight, an open relationship (outside class and racial difficulties, which of course are not absent in gay relationships either) is a matter of personal choice, and though each relationship has its difficulties, the mere fact that you are in one is not a point of contention. When you're gay an open relationship is often either something to be overcome, something to be hidden, or something to be avoided entirely if you wish to avoid potential personal and professional costs. If you're in a big city there may be a shift, but then there are differences in straight culture in big cities, too. What a surprise, then, that chaste behavior and monogamy is not what rules the day in the GLBT population when, until very recently, society has provided practically zero incentive for such.

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 08:38 pm UTC

ILU AND ILTHIS COMMENT :D

[info]ladypolitik

2009-07-04 08:56 pm UTC

[info]sunoftheskye

2009-07-04 09:42 pm UTC

[info]___closetome

2009-07-04 10:16 pm UTC

[info]robi0688

2009-07-05 03:36 pm UTC

[info]radioactivepiss

2009-07-04 08:18 pm UTC

I resent having people imply at me that I have some sort of 'duty' to drop everything and educate people. If I want to celebrate in a light hearted way and leave the issues to someone else for a bit, that's my decision.

I spend every damn day defending myself to people for 'making everything political omg' by not denying I'm not anything but heterosexual. If I were to want a time where I could be happy I was around people who didn't expect that, the hell's wrong with it?

I mean, I certainly don't think the more serious aspects of pride to be ignored by any means, they're more than just important, but not everyone wants to be an activist and you're not going to force people to be them, you know?

[info]aesthetik_dekay

2009-07-04 11:41 pm UTC

fuck yes to this.

and cute icon.

[info]ladypolitik

2009-07-04 08:48 pm UTC Edited: 08:54 pm UTC

Personal, long-winded thoughts:

  1. Minority activist groups have a hang up with a Fear of the [Dominant] Gaze™. It's based on this perception that their activism has to as non-threatening as possible to mainstream society in order to score acceptance within it. For racial minority groups, it's traditionally been a Fear of the White Gaze™. As I see it, this article perfectly exemplifies the a Fear of the Heteronormative Gaze™ among some GLBTQ activists.

    The irony? Society projects heteronormative privilege regardless of how "docile" and/or asexual GLBTQ persons present themselves, in both political and non-political aspects of their lives. Rights aren't being denied to GLBTQ folk because they "party too much". It's not about the parties or the sex, at all. They're denied the minute their mere identity doesn't confirm to the mainstream gender/sexual constructs.

    That's just my long-winded way of suggesting that the angle of "critique" toward the British Pride events is ridiculously warped.


  2. Gotta echo what other people have said above -- christ, we're talking about parade events that represent a mere week, while the 50 to 51 other weeks is already all about tireless activism and politics. The urgency in wanting to push a less "party" focus should be questioned based on everything I already suggested in point #1.

Dont know what else to say, except, "come the fuck on".

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 08:58 pm UTC

C: C: C: C: C: C: ♥ Love this.

[info]sunoftheskye

2009-07-04 09:40 pm UTC

[info]___closetome

2009-07-04 10:16 pm UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:25 pm UTC

[info]sirdrakesheir

2009-07-05 04:43 pm UTC

[info]sirdrakesheir

2009-07-05 04:44 pm UTC

[info]ladypolitik

2009-07-04 08:52 pm UTC

Also, a side point about Stonewall...

Look. Stonewall is a distinctly American political event in the history of the GLBTQ movement. While I understand that major historical events have the power to transcend borders, the displeasure expressed toward British-based Pride events for their lack of ~political Stonewall themes~ is US-centric.

Consider this: Toronto Pride 2009's theme was "Cant Stop, Wont Stop" -- a combination of "partying" and "politics", the focus of which was scrutinizing major firms/companies that reinforced GLBTQ discrimination, yet nevertheless trip over themselves to want to SPONSOR Toronto-based Pride events. The point? To highlight the commercial opportunism/hypocrisy of institutions that wish to cash in on the growing monetary success of Pride Toronto over the last few years.

And see, I didn't mention a *thing* about Stonewall.

The point being, there are pragmatic and pointless ways to "politicize" events; evoking Stonewall doesn't automatically make GLBTQ events quintessentially political. Activism has to relate back to the specific communities being affected.

The problem with the criticism featured in the article is that it treats British and American (and all international GLBTQ communities) as if they're monolithic.

[info]amphibian23

2009-07-05 10:34 pm UTC

Re: Also, a side point about Stonewall...

yeah. I mean, we did have a gay rights movement over here, too. It might be confined to docudramas on BBC4, but it did happen.

[info]maryaminx

2009-07-04 09:01 pm UTC

How dare we take one day out of the year to celebrate who we are instead of spending it handing out pamphlets? /sarcasm

Honestly, I don't go to a lot of pride events because nipple tape and rainbow drag isn't really my scene (and chick rock makes my ears bleed), but I'm not going to look down on those who go. It's great that there is a place for us to go be open about who we are for at least one day.

Also, I get the feeling that the people whining about this are the same people who say queer culture is dead.

[info]thecityofdis

2009-07-04 09:43 pm UTC

D:

I love chick rock.

Not like, Madonna and Britney bubble gum pop, but give me a good indigo girls powerhouse any day.

I agree, though, in that the party scene is not mine either.

[info]haruhiko

2009-07-04 09:51 pm UTC

On the 40th anniversary of Stonewall I was expecting SOME mention of it at SF Pride. Was surprised not to hear/see any of it.

Anyway, I have a problem with apolitical queer people who don't care about their rights or their situation in the world and don't vote or stay informed, but then again I have a problem with heterosexual people who act the same way.

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:29 pm UTC

I was @ SF Pride too, and was suprised as well. Not just about Stonewall - maybe that's a more NY thing but it is for better or worse the symbolic start of the lgbt movement, or what passes for one these days... But suprised that Pride wasn't more political given the Prop 8 fight and all.

Apolitical ppl in general annoy me.

I am all for both the political and the partying.

[info]haruhiko

2009-07-05 06:50 am UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:12 pm UTC

tbh, I'd like to see more politics and more fun @ Pride. The two things shouldnt be mutually exclusive.

also, I'm beyond sick of hearing "lgbt" when all they mean is "gay" as in "gay male" ...the community's not monolithic

[info]chasinwaterfall

2009-07-04 10:16 pm UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:37 pm UTC

[info]___closetome

2009-07-04 10:18 pm UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:37 pm UTC

[info]ew_younerd

2009-07-04 10:28 pm UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-04 10:37 pm UTC

[info]ceruleanst

2009-07-05 04:47 am UTC

[info]kittymink

2009-07-06 12:51 am UTC

[info]___closetome

2009-07-04 10:22 pm UTC

I love Pride. I didn't go this year because my gf couldn't come with me, which is a bummer because I heard NYC was POPPIN' this year. But I just love seeing so many different subgroups of queer culture together in one place. It makes me :)

[info]autochrome

2009-07-04 10:54 pm UTC

I've gotta say, I'm really sick of people within minority groups being treated, by people both within & outside of that group, as though they should be upstanding representatives of their community rather than, ya know, people who may have different tastes/attitudes/opinions/ideas of how 'pride' should be exhibited. It's disheartening, because, here, it ties into some people wanting to tone down the flamboyancy, in hopes that that'll straights have an easier time accepting GLBT folk. Which is disgusting.
...People, I swear.

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2009-07-04 11:08 pm UTC

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2009-07-05 11:24 am UTC

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