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Is Ayatollah Khamenei dead?

1:06 pm - 10/15/2009
Pravda (not the newspaper, my bad), quoting sources at the Iranian opposition, says yes.

Tass, citing well-informed sources in Teheran, says no.

The Guardian is as confused as the rest of us.

It would certainly make things interesting, and more chaotic. @oxfordgirl on Twitter has been quite informative about potential changes, candidates for his replacement, etc.
schmiss 15th-Oct-2009 05:34 pm (UTC)
Pravda.ru is not Pravda the famous paper, it's an online tabloid w/the same name.
jlsigman 15th-Oct-2009 05:37 pm (UTC)
Ah! I didn't know that, thank you. I'll edit the original post.
mercaque 15th-Oct-2009 05:35 pm (UTC)

That would be something, if true (big "if").
homasse 15th-Oct-2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
If it is true--there was Stephanopoulos mentioning a rumor Khamenei was in a coma a couple days ago--this is going to make things in Iran get a lot more interesting, and in that faux-Chinese proverb kind of way.
brewsternorth 15th-Oct-2009 06:04 pm (UTC)
...uh-oh. As you say, interesting times.
jesidres 15th-Oct-2009 07:52 pm (UTC)
akuma_river here's some news15th-Oct-2009 08:12 pm (UTC)

Some reports coming out of Iran deny the Supreme Leader has died or IS EVEN ILL!

Over the past month, rumors circulated that he was in a coma and his ruthless son Mojtaba was ruling (with Ahmadi-Nejad’s help) in his father’s name … Denial of Khamenei Senior’s death has to overcome some visible changes:

1. Government buildings are being draped in black cloth. (Reports on this come from multiple Twitters).

2. All Islamic Iranian TV announcers have suddenly turned to wearind all black clothing.

3. Bassiji Suppression forces have poured into the streets to enforce crowd control and prevent gatherings, which have not yet taken place.

4. The constant grumbling of clerics about the Supreme Ruler and efforts to replace him with a Ruling Committee have abruptly ceased.

Having him dead instead of the disruptive campaign to unseat him has solved their complaints and now they can go ahead with the “succession” process.

It took nearly two months from the time Ayatollah Khomeini went to hospital and fell into a coma till he was OFFICIALLY pronounced dead.


Meanwhile, a brief article in Peiknet has stoked the fire of rumours about the poor state of the Supreme Leader’s health. The website claims that three doctors were summoned urgently to Ayatollah Khamenei’s house and, after examining him, insisted that he cancel all public and Government meetings and stay at home, with only his family seeing him. To our knowledge, no other source has corroborated the Peiknet assertion.

Rumors that the Supreme Leader has cancer, specifically prostate cancer, have persisted for years — our readers have discussed these in comments. For now, we’ll keep watch, especially to see if Khamenei stays out of public view.


Enduring America, 14 October: “We’re wondering, ‘Does Karroubi back down?’, and we’re thinking, ‘No.’ His response to the Government’s ham-fisted warning, which following similar threats over the last two months — may not come today, but I would look for a clear signal from the cleric by the weekend.”

We were wrong. Karroubi did not wait until Saturday or even the Iranian weekend on Friday. He has welcomed the promise of Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejeie, Iran’s General Prosecutor, to “take [Mir Hossein] Mousavi and Karroubi to court when the time is right”, with the unsubtle hint that he can now bring out some very heavy evidence (English summary via Facebook page linked to Mousavi):

I very much welcome this event so that if during… these years due to some considerations I have not raised some issues, I could do so in detail.

Unfortunately in these years the authorities who, according to Imam Khomeini should be the servants of the nation, have not paid any attention to this advice. Instead of being responsible and taking fair positions, they have confirmed the positions of extremist media to hide their unjust behaviour and also insult and falsely accuse others who do not have any media [to defend themselves].

This time not only I am not concerned about the “trial” but also I very much welcome it so that by this means I can emphasise my concerns that arise from national and religious beliefs of the Iranians and Imam Khomeini’s ideas, and clearly reveal those who are oppose to these concerns.
akuma_river Re: here's some news15th-Oct-2009 10:15 pm (UTC)
Update on Enduring America

2010 GMT: Our Daily Contribution to the Khamenei Death Rumour Mill. The Supreme Leader’s Facebook site has the following message from Wednesday, “Today Noon; Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran attended a rite in respect of Imam Sadeq(A.S)”.

If true, this would disprove Tuesday’s Peiknet story, the original source of the current health rumors, that the Supreme Leader had been confined to his house by doctors.

chaeri 15th-Oct-2009 08:26 pm (UTC)
Schroedinger's Khamenei?
ateenwriter 16th-Oct-2009 01:35 am (UTC)
anything for sure yet?
jlsigman 16th-Oct-2009 10:32 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, no. Because Iran doesn't let foreign reporters in, getting real, accountable news out is nearly impossible. The only thing that does point to him truly being ill is the fact that he hasn't made an appearance to counter these rumors.
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