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How Objectification Silences Women - The Male Glance As A Psychological Muzzle

10:49 am - 01/15/2010


For something intangible, a glance can be a powerful thing. It can carry the weight of culture and history, it can cause psychological harm, and it can act as a muzzle. Consider the relatively simple act of a man staring at a woman's body. This is such a common part of modern society that most of us rarely stop to think of its consequences, much less investigate it with a scientific lens.

Tamar Saguy is different. Leading a team of Israeli and US psychologists, she has shown that women become more silent if they think that men are focusing on their bodies. They showed that women who were asked to introduce themselves to an anonymous male partner spent far less time talking about themselves if they believed that their bodies were being checked out. Men had no such problem. Nor, for that matter, did women if they thought they were being inspected by another woman.

Saguy's study is one of the first to provide evidence of the social harms of sexual objectification - the act of treating people as "de-personalised objects of desire instead of as individuals with complex personalities". It targets women more often than men. It's apparent in magazine covers showing a woman in a sexually enticing pose, in inappropriate comments about a colleague's appearance, and in unsolicited looks at body parts. These looks were what Saguy focused on.

She recruited 207 students, 114 of whom were women, on the pretence of studying how people communicate using expressions, gestures and vocal cues. Each one sat alone in a room with a recorder and video camera. They had two minutes to introduce themselves to a male or female partner, using a list of topics such as "plans for the future" or "four things you like doing the most". The partner was supposedly sat in the next room and either watching the speaker from the neck up, watching from the neck down, or just listening on audio. The camera was tilted or blocked accordingly.


Saguy found that women talked about themselves for less time than men, but only if they thought they were being visually inspected by a man, and particularly if they thought their bodies were being checked out. They used the full two minutes if they were describing themselves to another woman (no matter where the camera was pointing) or if they were speaking to a man who could hear but not see them. But if their partner was a man watching their bodies, they spoke for just under one-and-a-half minutes. You can see these differences in the graph below (although note that the y-axis starts at 60, a practice I don't particularly like).

Men had no such qualms. They used the full two minutes regardless of whether they were being watched or listened to, and no matter the gender of their partner. The fact that men didn't react in the same way is important. For a start, it shows that it's a man's gaze and not just any downward glance that affects a woman's behaviour. It also puts paid to the false equivalence arguments that are often put forward when discussing gender issues (i.e. "women look at male bodies too").



When the students answered a questionnaire after the experiment, both men and women "felt more like a body than as a real person" if the camera focused on them from the neck down. But only the women were really put off by it. Around 61% of them disliked the body-pointed camera, compared to just 32% who disliked the face-pointing one or 7% who disliked the audio. For the men, 36% disliked the body camera, 42% disliked the face one and 22% disliked the audio.



As Saguy explains, "When a woman believes that a man is focusing on her body, she narrows her presence... by spending less time talking." There are a few possible reasons for this. Saguy suspects that objectification prompts women to align their behaviour with what's expected of them - silent things devoid of other interesting traits. Treat someone like an object, and they'll behave like one. Alternatively, worries about their appearance might simply distract them from the task at hand.

Obviously, this experiment used a fairly artificial scenario. In the real world, social interactions are more complicated and objectification can take place more subtly, with a quick glance rather than a blatantly angled camera.

Even so, these behaviours don't go unnoticed. They could be major problems if the same detrimental silencing effect in Saguy's study applies in real-world situations where being vocal is important for success - job interviews, work meetings, networking sessions, classrooms and more. There will always be hardened lechers among us but often, objectification happens without us thinking about it or becoming aware of it. It's time, perhaps, that more of us did.


Reference: Saguy et al. 2010. Interacting Like a Body: Objectification Can Lead Women to Narrow Their Presence in Social Interactions. Psychological Science source

Personal commentary: I can absolutely relate to this, especially during the 'introductory period' of meeting a guy. If all they're focusing on is your body, what's the point in even saying anything? It doesn't add anything to what they're doing more often than not. It definitely shuts me down and makes me uncomfortable to the point where I need to remove myself from the situation. Being seen not as a potential friend or simple acquaintance initially disturbs something in me. /srs bznz.
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[info]haruhiko 15th-Jan-2010 06:56 pm (UTC)
It also puts paid to the false equivalence arguments that are often put forward when discussing gender issues (i.e. "women look at male bodies too").

This. Great article.
[info]neev 15th-Jan-2010 06:59 pm (UTC)
No kidding. Fucking FINALLY. I hate when that argument comes up because you than have to take a ten minute detour into why that is not, in fact, the same fucking thing at all. And it /always/ comes up and the person bringing it up always seems to think they're so damn clever. Oh look, they've solved feminism! *eyes rolling so hard they're about to roll outta my head*
[info]valencianbelle 15th-Jan-2010 07:02 pm (UTC)
This is so true. Not for me, because I'm a talkative person no matter what. But, I see woman sort of leaning against a wall sometimes, not saying anything once they're being checked out. I usually slap my friends upside the head and tell them to snap out of it because it annoys me so much.

Also, am I the only woman that doesn't check men out? Like...at all. I don't find men physically attractive until after I know their personalities. I can look at someone and be like, 'aww, he's cute' but, no drooling after that.

I also find being checked out extremely creepy. I've been saying, 'men are creepy' a lot lately come to think of it... lol

Edited at 2010-01-15 07:04 pm (UTC)
[info]saramiskismet 15th-Jan-2010 07:04 pm (UTC)
When I'm talking to a guy I like/find attractive, I definitely don't check them out while I'm talking to them. Maybe if I spot them down the hall, for a brief second, but it's not my focus at the time of conversation. It's something I think about later.
& I can find guys objectively attractive but I'm not ~really attracted to them until after I've gotten to talk to them. That's often a dealbreaker, haha.
[info]saramiskismet 15th-Jan-2010 07:02 pm (UTC)
.... this kinda freaks me out tbh. I've never thought about whether or not I act differently in this situation, but I wouldn't be surprised if I followed this indication.
[info]draperyfalls 15th-Jan-2010 07:05 pm (UTC)
Treat someone like an object, and they'll behave like one.

That's a great line, but I'm not sure how much that's true.

Alternatively, worries about their appearance might simply distract them from the task at hand.

I think that's it exactly.

Interesting study.
[info]rex_dart 15th-Jan-2010 07:07 pm (UTC)
Worrying about your appearance probably does have something to do with it, but it's certainly not everything.
[info]rex_dart 15th-Jan-2010 07:06 pm (UTC)
Unsurprising. If I catch a man looking at me like that or I find out that a guy I know is attracted to me, I basically want to spend as little time talking to them as possible. Way, way too uncomfortable, way too much baggage.
[info]_sockmonk_ 15th-Jan-2010 07:11 pm (UTC)
Interesting.

I'll believe that. The idea of a guy checking me out or having a crush on me makes me uncomfortable; it's mostly because I'm not into anyone though and the idea of someone thinking of me "that way" sort of makes me uncomfortable. For some reason, though, lesbians seem less threatening to me.
[info]rex_dart 15th-Jan-2010 07:14 pm (UTC)
lesbians seem less threatening to me.

Note for next meeting: not trying hard enough.
[info]bluetooth16 15th-Jan-2010 07:14 pm (UTC)
Very interesting article. More often than not, I'm freaked out when men are clearly checking me out.
[info]stoicana 15th-Jan-2010 07:27 pm (UTC)
When the students answered a questionnaire after the experiment, both men and women "felt more like a body than as a real person" if the camera focused on them from the neck down. But only the women were really put off by it.

Hmmm...

The entire article is a very interesting read and it's great to have some quantifiable support for this, but this part really grabs me because now I can't stop wondering why.

And then I wonder about how to counteract this.

I know that when it happens to me I bring attention to the fact that the guy is being a jerk. Sometimes men even do it unconsciously and will be embarrassed enough that it was noticeable and stop the behaviour. Others are just jerks to begin with and won't care either way, but for the most part if the behaviour is brought to attention it stops.
[info]world_dancer 15th-Jan-2010 09:36 pm (UTC)
Given the situation, with the camera in between so you don't know even the expression on the partner's face, the thing that stands out to me is that women do this to themselves.

So I'm left thinking the "gaze" is not the problem (though I would categorize being leered at as a problematic sort of gazing), it's earlier social programming about men looking at you that makes women self-conscious.
[info]our_innocence 15th-Jan-2010 07:42 pm (UTC)
On the rare occasion someone checks me out, I default into cold, mean-faced posture. I hate when people look at me though.

I do think this is true, although I'd wonder how much of it is also relative to general shyness, or coyness. Not saying they're the overriding reason, but I'm sure it plays a part. IDK, though.
[info]ledgers 15th-Jan-2010 07:43 pm (UTC)
I do think this is true, although I'd wonder how much of it is also relative to general shyness, or coyness.

I definitely think that's a factor that was left out in the article.
[info]yunghustlaz 15th-Jan-2010 07:49 pm (UTC)
I'd like to contribute something constructive to this, but considering I've probably been inadvertantly guilty of objectifying people, I'm sorry ladies! I don't mean ittt! :(

I never got those arguments of false equivalency though, I can't recall a time I've felt objectified.
[info]mercystars 15th-Jan-2010 07:52 pm (UTC)
One time my girlfriend and I were on the bus and she got up in this guy's face because he kept staring at us (god he was creepy). He got off the bus at the next stop. I wanted to marry her.
[info]dreamsong22 16th-Jan-2010 01:37 am (UTC)
I'm assuming you're speaking of a lady-lady committed relationship? That is the absolute worse, when men leer at you when you're with your motherfucking girlfriend. I just feel like it should be a signal that I am NOT interested rather than the way they interpret it somehow: OMG TWO LADIESZ HOT THEY WOULD TOTALLY DO STUFF IN FRONT OF ME/WITH ME. Which is so far from the truth. I have actually been with my girl, kissing in the parking lot where we though we had some privacy, when we hear some random duder shout "OMG YOU GUYS ARE GIVING ME SUCH A BONER." I wanted to cry. It's not fair. I didn't want anything to do with any man and yet they still insert themselves into these situations when they are so unwanted. dlkjsf
[info]ang_band 15th-Jan-2010 08:01 pm (UTC)
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[info]xlickety_splitx 15th-Jan-2010 08:03 pm (UTC)
This is what makes going to the gym so fucking uncomfortable. No matter what, there's always some McBeefy making eyes at you from the weights section before sauntering up to you and asking if you need "help".
[info]silverpatronus 15th-Jan-2010 08:29 pm (UTC)
or conversely, staring at you like you don't belong...

i really REALLY hate the gym.
[info]nuclearpez 15th-Jan-2010 08:04 pm (UTC)
There are two ends to this spectra. There are many cases where I am with this article, to the point of being terrified of being victimized by some stranger. I know that unfortunately my looks attract a lot of unwanted attention. I get uneasy, not because of them checking me out, but because I feel that I may be compromised.

In a situation where I feel more comfortable and am at ease, or with a guy I may be relatively into, sometimes I in fact feel a sense of power when a man is checking me out, but only because I understand how vain some of them are, and how I present more value to them on the basis of my looks alone (it's one of those sad but true things).

What I've learned is that there is a time and place for everything. Typically, being naturally busty, I wear clothes that cover me more, and in truth it does help in being less objectified. Even if they find you pretty, if there is more face that attracts them than exposed body then it feels likes less objectification imo.

But to tell you the truth I feel most uneasy around women. It feels from them a more critical eye where I don't get that from men, and women, initially when seeing me tend to cock an attitude towards me.
[info]bonoffee 15th-Jan-2010 08:14 pm (UTC)
I agree with quite a bit of this, especially the sense of power thing. I don't like creepy guys on the bus staring at me, but I can't say I mind the small ego-boost I get when a nice-looking guy looks back at me on the street or something. It definitely is a question of context for me, and it's often the case I feel uncomfortable too because I don't like the idea of what might happen.
[info]mint_chalk 15th-Jan-2010 08:16 pm (UTC)
haha what do you think it means? i'm genuinely curious
[info]girlthatyoufear 15th-Jan-2010 08:21 pm (UTC)
I'm already a shy person as it is, but I do find myself becoming even more withdrawn if I feel someone is checking me out. It might even be connected to the fact that I don't like being seen as either sexually attractive or a sexual person. When being objectified, however, that sexuality is sort of just forced upon me I guess and I can't do anything about it.
[info]_sockmonk_ 15th-Jan-2010 08:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah me too. I'm not really shy, but I'm an aromantic asexual, so someone thinking of me sexually or romantically makes me uncomfortable. Thankfully though I haven't encountered anyone who has a crush on me yet.
[info]celtic_thistle 15th-Jan-2010 09:05 pm (UTC)
Excellent article. I'm a soc major and stuff like this fascinates me. I also abhor being objectified because of the way I'm built. :/ It's depressing to think so many men just see us for our bodies. I get a sick feeling in my stomach when I get honked at or stared at or get a creepy "how you doin'?" Fuuuuck. The more I think of it, the more pissed off I get. >:(
[info]dreamsong22 16th-Jan-2010 01:50 am (UTC)
It's depressing to think so many men just see us for our bodies.

I know it's a simple sentence but I find myself agreeing so hard with this.
[info]wakemexsoftly 15th-Jan-2010 09:07 pm (UTC)
But what does it mean if you aren't intimidated by men?

(Probably TMI, but whatever.) I'm pretty active in my local BDSM community, a community that is primarily heterosexual and focused on the male gaze. I don't back down when someone is checking me out; I actually get in their face about it, whether in a positive way or in a negative way. I think it's because I get defensive about being treated like an object without my permission, and I'll do whatever I have to, to escape that silencing. (I'm also Asian, which makes some people think I'll be more passive than other women. . . um. . . NO.)

This bleeds into "normal life" as well. If someone on a subway is being a creepy asshole to me, I'll call them out on it. I also tend to speak up more in situations that tend to be dominated by men, such as my video game classes.
[info]salienne 15th-Jan-2010 10:09 pm (UTC)
There can always be exceptions, but here they were looking at women in general, and I would assume that most of them were not part of subcultures that subverted or challenged common gender relations.
[info]fruiterian 15th-Jan-2010 09:20 pm (UTC)
I'm female bodied but I present as rather masculine, and I can't really ever recall a time I've been objectified like that... never really been catcalled or checked out (of course, I'm also usually oblivious to my surroundings). I know I've talked about stuff like this with my friends and it's weird thinking about the strange little privilege I get from looking like a dude.

It's all pretty damn fucked up D:
[info]snapesgirl34 15th-Jan-2010 11:27 pm (UTC)
I've never really been checked out either (though I definitely don't look like a guy), and haven't been around anyone who was, but I agree, the whole thing sounds pretty fucked up. O_O
[info]majutsukai 15th-Jan-2010 09:28 pm (UTC)
At the risk of offering my opinion where it's neither wanted nor relevant, I hate hearing about this kind of thing happening. It almost makes me ashamed to be a guy... even though I'm gay and therefore have nothing specifically to be ashamed of.

It's still embarrassing to hear about stuff like this happening.
[info]sitakhet 15th-Jan-2010 10:11 pm (UTC)
The thing is, even if you're not doing it yourself (and I mean this in a very general "you" way, not you, majutsukai specifically,) you might be helping perpetuate it anyways. I've seen so much shit happen because guys won't do anything when their friends are acting like total scumbags. For every guy that's pulled his friend away and said "Hey, that's enough." there's two that will do nothing while their ~bro~ is harassing some girl. While some girls can handle these guys perfectly fine, some other girls might not be outspoken enough to rip them a new one.

Of course, this is more outright harassment than just "checking out," but in the club atmosphere checking out goes right to hitting on in 60 seconds or less sometimes. This is just my non-scientific, rather biased observations though. :|
[info]ahkna 15th-Jan-2010 09:34 pm (UTC)
I can definitely see feeling that way and I've been told by quite a few women who don't like feeling as if they are being objectified, whether being ogled by men or women but I've never quite understood it because I love being checked out and don't usually feel objectified at all.

I think this article explained it really well.
[info]salienne 15th-Jan-2010 10:06 pm (UTC)
This doesn't surprise me at all, but it's good that there's finally some more scientific evidence.
[info]salienne 15th-Jan-2010 10:10 pm (UTC)
Also, I can possibly use it for a paper I'm writing. Not definitely but possibly.
[info]misatojaganshi 15th-Jan-2010 10:12 pm (UTC)
Hm I def think its true in regards to the talking less bit, mostly because it just gets really uncomfortable if there's no mutual attraction and you just want the guy to gtfo your space D: and the worst part is that if you want it to stop (as a woman) you need to physically remove yourself from the space because some guys just don't fucking pick up on any subtle clues that you want to end the conversation ughh.

this happened to me at a bookstore one time, i was just trying to read a magazine and this guy starts up a conversation with me and starts asking me questions about where i live and what i do and stuff like that. and i start talking less and less until finally i just had to get up and leave the place D: it really bothered me that i had to do that and that at the time i didn't assert myself more and just told him to stfu and let me read in peace!
[info]painfulblue 15th-Jan-2010 10:55 pm (UTC)
It sucks that that happened to you. I hate when guys interrupt whatever you're doing and then don't get any hints. :(
I think I'm decent with subtle clues, but when a creepy guy or a guy I don't find attractive and seems to have zero personality doesn't get the hint, I tend to give them a nice looooong look up and down and go "...yeah, not interested" and go back to what I was doing. It seems to disarm them.
I spent a few years going to bars 3 to 4 times a week, though, and I've learned to handle that stuff. Drunken creepy guys who don't get hints are the hardest to get rid of.
[info]bananasnrum 15th-Jan-2010 11:13 pm (UTC)
OMFG I ... I can't even tell you how much I appreciate this. And it makes me love my best friend even more because he and I have talked about objectification before. And he was totally honest with me about male behavior. UGGHHH OMG thank you for posting this.
[info]empath_eia 16th-Jan-2010 01:03 am (UTC)
Ooh, interesting. As an asexual, I often don't notice when I'm being checked out, but when I do (and they're doing it in the completely physical sense, not listening in on a conversation I'm having and admiring my brain) it annoys me, because now I have to put forth the extra effort to either ignore him or disentangle myself. Altering my actions because a man is looking at me doesn't sit well with me, but the male gaze is so... heavy.
[info]after_the_rain 16th-Jan-2010 01:50 am (UTC)
For a short time, I identified as demisexual (I thought the label fit me), but I recently concluded that I only really pay attention to personality, and I don't have a high libido. But because I'm just not all that interested in sex, it annoys me when someone checks me out too.

Oh, but don't worry. Since I dropped the label, the sexuality police came to arrest me ;p.
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