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Time to end pelvic exams done without consent

5:36 pm - 01/28/2010
Imagine that you are undergoing a fairly routine surgery – say, removal of uterine fibroids or hysterectomy. During or right after the procedure, while you are still under anesthesia, a group of medical students parades into the operating room and they perform gynecological exams (unrelated to the surgery) without your knowledge.

Do you consider this okay, or an outrageous violation of your rights?

Regardless of your feelings, you should be aware that this is standard procedure in many Canadian teaching hospitals.

Medical students routinely practice doing internal pelvic examinations while surgery patients are unconscious, and without getting specific consent, at least in Canada.

Guidelines in the United States and Britain say specific consent is required but, by contrast, Canadian guidelines state that pelvic examination by trainees is “implicit.”

The practice – one of those dirty little secrets of medicine – has been exposed in a thoughtful, professional manner by a young doctor.

The story goes back to 2007 when Sara Wainberg was a medical student at McMaster University. Her younger brother Daniel, also studying to be a doctor, phoned for advice: As part of his rotation in obstetrics and gynecology, he had been asked to perform a pelvic exam on a woman who was under anesthetic. He refused, saying doing so without consent would be unethical.

“It got me thinking,” Sara Wainberg said. “I had done this numerous times in my training and it had never occurred to me that it might be unethical.”

She polled her fellow students and found 72 per cent had also done exams on unconscious patients, without consent, confirming that it is routine.

It is essential for medical students to learn basic techniques, including pelvic examination, in well supervised settings.

The long-standing argument in favour of allowing these exams to be done on surgery patients is that it provides a unique opportunity for students to practice the delicate, invasive examination without causing the woman pain or embarrassment.

There is also an assumption that women would never accept pelvic exams by students while conscious so sneaking them in, while not ideal, is acceptable.

When Dr. Wainberg took a position as a resident at Foothills Hospital in Calgary, she decided to study the issue further. She and fellow researchers polled 102 women who were patients at the Calgary Pelvic Floor Disorders Clinic.

The results – reported in The Medical Post and in the Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology – are as fascinating as they are troubling.

Dr. Wainberg and her team found that fewer than one in five women were aware that a student might do a pelvic exam in the operating room. At the same time, 72 per cent expected to be asked for consent before such an exam was done.

The patients – unlike medical educators – seem to be quite clear on the concept of informed consent.

You don't probe, poke or otherwise invade the orifices of a patient without their permission, regardless of how educational it might be. Period.

The most intriguing part of the survey, though, is that it showed that women are quite willing to undergo these gynecological exams – if they're asked.

Sixty-two per cent of respondents said they would consent to medical students doing pelvic exams, and an additional 5 per cent said “yes” but only if a female student was doing the exam.

This lays to rest the notion that it would be impossible for medical students to get this training unless they were doing it in the current surreptitious, unethical manner.

But let's be clear: Even if all the women surveyed had rejected exams by medical students, the current approach would still be wrong.

There are other ways to do this training, using simulation models, paid volunteers and consenting patients in other settings such as clinics.

Patients have a right to say “No.” They are not merely a collection of body parts to be practised on. Patients are due respect and ethical treatment, whether they are awake or anesthetized, and no matter how potentially embarrassing the procedure may be.

The research done by Dr. Wainberg and her colleagues, in passing, exposed something else important: Patients have very little idea what goes on in the operating room. Most have no idea that, in addition to the surgeon and nurses, medical residents or medical students may be present and may even participate actively.

This is the result of a failure to communicate. It is also a striking example of a lingering bit of paternalism that is still all-too-present in medical culture – this notion that “we do the surgery and the details are none of your business.”

“It's definitely the patient's business who does what to them,” Dr. Wainberg said. “They have to be informed and they have to give consent.”

In fact, if she was starting over again as a medical student and was asked to perform a pelvic exam, Dr. Wainberg has no doubt she would refuse.

So too should every medical student and every teacher.

A good doctor does not merely possess good technical skills, she or he must behave ethically and treat patients with the utmost respect.

Source.
brecho 28th-Jan-2010 11:42 pm (UTC)
To elaborate.

Women 'complain' more than men. We tend to be socialized to talk about our FEELINGS and pains more than men. So doctors assume that when men complain it's more serious. And then my teacher went on about how women told her about cramps* and how she didn't want to hear that and thus ALL woman totally would. There was some other fuckery described in the book. I forgot the details but give me ten mins on google and I could show you more.

*for some women it is so terrible they can't do much at all. IT'S A PROBLEM RESPECT IT FUCKWADS.
properly_stored 28th-Jan-2010 11:45 pm (UTC)
My aunt used to have cramps so bad she'd throw up and pass out :/
brecho 28th-Jan-2010 11:47 pm (UTC)
Bitch should have just coped like a man would!
properly_stored 28th-Jan-2010 11:50 pm (UTC)
IKR? We were having one of those girly comparison moments and my cramps can get pretty bad, but her story just made me D:
brecho 28th-Jan-2010 11:52 pm (UTC)
I want to make her soup.
archerstar 28th-Jan-2010 11:47 pm (UTC)
Hello commenters aunt! Are you me?

God, I really have come to hate people who trivialize cramps. They are not fun. They are not a joke. They are serious.
properly_stored 28th-Jan-2010 11:53 pm (UTC)
I think the problem is that everyone experiences them differently, or not at all :/

It's like headaches/migraines, my grandparents honestly could not get how bad mine are until one day they were arguing over what meds to get me at the pharmacy and I screamed/sobbed at them that I didn't care just go get them, LOL.
archerstar 28th-Jan-2010 11:57 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that's a big part of it. Mine are...kind of weird. If my period starts when I'm awake, my cramps are...intense, but bearable. If it starts when I'm sleeping, I wake up and I am in the bathroom throwing up from the pain not 30 seconds later.

Ugh, migraines. I don't get them too often, but when I do, they are nasty. I go blind in one eye and while I'm okay with sound, any light is an icepick to my brain. I feel your pain, so so much.
kriscynical 29th-Jan-2010 01:30 am (UTC)
Good Lord my cramps are so bad I've had a standing script for narcotic painkillers for the last 10 years to keep me functioning for those two days a month. Cramps are definitely not a joke.
archerstar 29th-Jan-2010 01:33 am (UTC)
Man, I want your doctor. It wasn't quite a "suck it up", but my doctor keeps giving me high dose naproxyn. Since my migraines were officially diagnosed, I've got a great migraine medication that has a sedative and a muscle relaxer in it, so I end up taking one or two of those, on top of the naproxyn.
lullabee_lj 29th-Jan-2010 03:55 am (UTC)
Yeah, I have lovely cramps like those. I don't pass out, but I sure do puke, and I get sort of delirious. Random things constantly pop into my head, kind of like I'm dreaming while I'm awake.

Obviously, I do this in the wee hours of the morning for funzies.
roseofjuly 29th-Jan-2010 04:14 am (UTC)
My cramps make me nauseous, and I do feel dizzy and weak when I have them. That's part of the reason I got on HBC, because now I can get through the first two days of my period in the real world and not in my bed.
rex_dart 28th-Jan-2010 11:51 pm (UTC)
lol, yes, I've just ended up sobbing on the bathroom floor unable to move from pain because I like to complain about cramps.

I mean, ignoring the fact that I can do incredibly painful things like getting the sides of my fucking neck tattooed without breaking a sweat or moving a muscle.
brecho 28th-Jan-2010 11:53 pm (UTC)
YOU ARE A WOMAN WHO CRIES WHEN YOU HAVE CRAMPS. YOU SUCK AND BRING ALL WOMAN DOWN YOU ANTI FEMINIST YOU.

It'll be awhile before my rage dies down about her sexism and ignorance related to how serious some cramps are. I rarely ever notice I'm on my period but that's not typical of everyone out there.

Edited at 2010-01-28 11:54 pm (UTC)
kailan 29th-Jan-2010 01:04 am (UTC)
^

I have endometriosis. Among other things. My cramps are fucking terrible. Most of the time, I'm lightheaded and sick to my stomach. Sometimes, I'm not, and I always hope that it'll be one of those months (it rarely is). Even the pill doesn't help all that much.

I hate it when people roll their eyes at me about it, because seriously, it's like do you think I enjoy feeling that way? Goddamn.
rex_dart 29th-Jan-2010 01:06 am (UTC)
And you fucking know that if men had to function feeling like they had a damn knife sticking through their balls every month, not only would they bitch and whine and cry about it and ask for the day off, there would be fucking charity bike rides to ~*find the cure*~ for Monthly Stabbed In the Balls Syndrome.
manaconda 28th-Jan-2010 11:58 pm (UTC)
It's so depressing how prevalent that attitude is among the medical community--it's why I decided against pre-med and went for nursing instead. idk, I'll still have to deal with working doctors and will actually have to work below them, but I just... wouldn't be able to deal with working in the field.
brecho 29th-Jan-2010 12:04 am (UTC)
Your comments give me hope about the nursing community.
manaconda 29th-Jan-2010 12:33 am (UTC)
Thanks, I'm glad :)

I think in general, ethics are stressed more in nursing, since we're generally supposed to be the ones caring for the patients. You still see a lot of sucky nurses, but I think there are more awesome nurses than horrible ones.
kleinerbar 29th-Jan-2010 12:02 am (UTC)
are you fucking kidding me? The female reproductive system is more intricate and complex than that of a man. We aren't more sensitive to pains, we just experience A LARGER ARRAY OF THEM BECAUSE OUR INTERNAL ORGANS ARE MADE THAT WAY. Would you say a two headed man bitches too much about migraines? No! because he has two fucking heads! Well women have a goddamn timebomb called a uterus and it's always out to betray us.

jsklfsj I'm losing it today. I can't take this shit no mo
brecho 29th-Jan-2010 12:06 am (UTC)
word
zombieroadtrip 29th-Jan-2010 01:24 am (UTC)
Well women have a goddamn timebomb called a uterus and it's always out to betray us.

omg A+
cork118 29th-Jan-2010 02:42 am (UTC)
I was reading something like this a few days ago. The article described it as "Momma Mia" syndrome. Women go into the doctor's office with a complaint; doctors don't listen, because they assume it's not serious; women complain louder, in more detail, because they're feeling unheard; doctors feel they have more evidence that the women aren't serious, since their complaining escalates.

It's very fucked up.
brecho 29th-Jan-2010 02:43 am (UTC)
Excuse me while I destroy the world
cork118 29th-Jan-2010 02:48 am (UTC)
Basically this. The article presented it in the context of women of certain ethnicities, such as Latina or Italian, who due to cultural differences in language expression are more likely to be perceived as overexaggerating, but it trickles down to all women.
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