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7:04 pm - 01/28/2010
A growing number of science students on British campuses and in sixth form colleges are challenging the theory of evolution and arguing that Darwin was wrong. Some are being failed in university exams because they quote sayings from the Bible or Qur'an as scientific fact and at one sixth form college in London most biology students are now thought to be creationists.

Earlier this month Muslim medical students in London distributed leaflets that dismissed Darwin's theories as false. Evangelical Christian students are also increasingly vocal in challenging the notion of evolution.

In the United States there is growing pressure to teach creationism or "intelligent design" in science classes, despite legal rulings against it. Now similar trends in this country have prompted the Royal Society, Britain's leading scientific academy, to confront the issue head on with a talk entitled Why Creationism is Wrong. The award-winning geneticist and author Steve Jones will deliver the lecture and challenge creationists, Christian and Islamic, to argue their case rationally at the society's event in April.

"There is an insidious and growing problem," said Professor Jones, of University College London. "It's a step back from rationality. They (the creationists) don't have a problem with science, they have a problem with argument. And irrationality is a very infectious disease as we see from the United States."

Professor David Read, vice-president and biological sciences secretary of the Royal Society, said that they felt it was essential to address the issue now: "We have asked Steve Jones to deliver his lecture on creationism and evolution because there continues to be controversy over how evolution and other aspects of science are taught in some UK schools, colleges and universities. Our education system should provide access to the knowledge and understanding gained through the scientific method of experiment and observation, such as the theory of evolution through natural selection, and should withstand attempts to withhold or misrepresent this knowledge in order to promote particular beliefs, religious or otherwise."

Leaflets questioning Darwinism were circulated among students at the Guys Hospital site of King's College London this month as part of the Islam Awareness Week, organised by the college's Islamic Society. One member of staff at Guys said that he found it deeply worrying that Darwin was being dismissed by people who would soon be practising as doctors.

The leaflets are produced by the Al-Nasr Trust, a Slough-based charity set up in 1992 with the aim of improving the understanding of Islam. The passage quoted from the Qur'an states: "And God has created every animal from water. Of them there are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs and some that walk on four. God creates what he wills for verily God has power over all things."

A 21-year-old medical student and member of the Islamic Society, who did not want to be named, said that the Qur'an was clear that man had been created and had not evolved as Darwin suggests. "There is no scientific evidence for it [Darwin's Origin of Species]. It's only a theory. Man is the wonder of God's creation."

He did not feel that a belief in evolution was necessary to study medicine although he added that, if writing about it was necessary for passing an exam, he would do so. "We want to become doctors and dentists, we want to pass our exams." He added that God had not created mankind literally in six days. "It's not six earth days," he said, it could refer to several thousands of years but it had been an act of creation and not evolution.

At another London campus some students have been failed because they have presented creationism as fact. They have been told by their examiners that, while they are entitled to explain both sides of the debate, they cannot present the Bible or Qur'an as scientifically factual if they want to pass exams.

David Rosevear of the Portsmouth-based Creation Science Movement, which supports the idea of creationism, said that there was an increasing interest in the subject among students. "I've got no problem with an all-powerful God producing everything in six days," he said. He said it was an early example of the six-day week. Students taking exams on the subject should not be dogmatic one way or the other. "I tell them - answer the question, it's no good saying it [creationism] is a fact any more than saying evolution is a fact."

A former lecturer in organic chemistry at Portsmouth polytechnic (now university) and ICI research scientist, Dr Rosevear said he had been invited to expound his theories at many colleges and had addressed the Cafe Scientifique, a student science society, at St Andrews university, Fife. "The students clearly came expecting to have a laugh but they found there was much more to it. Our attitude is - teach evolution but mention creationism and let students decide for themselves."

Most of the next generation of medical and science students could well be creationists, according to a biology teacher at a leading London sixth-form college. "The vast majority of my students now believe in creationism," she said, "and these are thinking young people who are able and articulate and not at the dim end at all. They have extensive booklets on creationism which they put in my pigeon-hole ... it's a bit like the southern states of America." Many of them came from Muslim, Pentecostal or Baptist family backgrounds, she said, and were intending to become pharmacists, doctors, geneticists and neuro-scientists.


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shellypants 29th-Jan-2010 12:40 am (UTC)
 
popehippo 29th-Jan-2010 12:41 am (UTC)
YOUR RELIGION IS A THEORY.

GOOD DAY SIR.
rex_dart 29th-Jan-2010 12:56 am (UTC)
It's actually more like a hypothesis. One that can never be tested.
noir_shiroi 29th-Jan-2010 12:42 am (UTC)
I hope professors keep failing them if they quote the bible on a test.
coco_waters 29th-Jan-2010 12:43 am (UTC)
SCIENCE=/=RELIGION

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, PEOPLE. *facepalm*

It's stories like these that make me want to forget all about my loathing of children and become a teacher.
tresa_cho 29th-Jan-2010 12:46 am (UTC)
It's stories like these that make me wanna go punch people in the face.

People like creationists. And climate change deniers. And people who talk in the theater...
properly_stored 29th-Jan-2010 12:44 am (UTC)
par⋅a⋅ble
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–noun
1. a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson.
2. a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like.
joy_mora 29th-Jan-2010 12:49 am (UTC)
"If God didn't want us to disprove Intelligent Design, he wouldn't have given us the mental capacity to do so.", shall be my argument. ^^
shirozora 29th-Jan-2010 12:44 am (UTC)
Dr. McCoy does not approve.
tresa_cho 29th-Jan-2010 12:44 am (UTC)
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Edited at 2010-01-29 12:45 am (UTC)
jaded110 29th-Jan-2010 01:19 am (UTC)
LOL! I love Air Force One.
fruhlings 29th-Jan-2010 12:45 am (UTC)
wtf?!
lyssna 29th-Jan-2010 12:46 am (UTC)
Some are being failed in university exams because they quote sayings from the Bible or Qur'an as scientific fact

I fucking hope so. :|
tresa_cho 29th-Jan-2010 12:47 am (UTC)
It's annoying enough that the History channel uses them as a credible source. *sigh*
joy_mora 29th-Jan-2010 12:48 am (UTC)
OMG!!!! It's highly contagious!!!

PEOPLE, YOUR HEAD IS NOT UP THERE ONLY TO HELP YOU KEEP YOUR BALANCE!!! USE IT!!!
assula 29th-Jan-2010 12:49 am (UTC)
apis_cerana 29th-Jan-2010 12:49 am (UTC)
Bible/other holy text literalists make me want to hit things.
jbfalek 29th-Jan-2010 12:50 am (UTC)
Your comment + the one above
roseofjuly 29th-Jan-2010 02:45 am (UTC)
That's what bugs me about the "just a theory" line the most - it always evidences either ignorance or deliberate misuse of the term.
coco_waters 29th-Jan-2010 12:50 am (UTC)
"There is no scientific evidence for it [Darwin's Origin of Species]. It's only a theory. Man is the wonder of God's creation."

Someone needs to read up on "science" and "scientific evidence". Also, a medical student? My face is stuck on horror mode.
hakushon 29th-Jan-2010 12:52 am (UTC)
I am in serious love with your icon.
hakushon 29th-Jan-2010 12:50 am (UTC)
The dumb. It hurts. :(
girlthatyoufear 29th-Jan-2010 12:51 am (UTC)
OH, FOR FUCK'S SAKES!!! If evolution bothers these people so damn much, why do they blatantly study career paths that emphasize and require its importance?! They do it for the annoying shits and giggles, don't they?
abrokencompass 29th-Jan-2010 12:53 am (UTC)
Obviously. I've even been in Biological Anthropology classes (Hello, we're supposed to be the non-judgemental rational thinking ones!) where kids argued about why we weren't learning creationism. Rawr.
peacetrains 29th-Jan-2010 12:51 am (UTC)
Some are being failed in university exams because they quote sayings from the Bible or Qur'an as scientific fact

if you don't want to actually open up your mind enough to learn something in college, then what are you doing there in the first place? i will never understand it.

it reminds me of my sophomore year, when there were these three girls in my Mythology class that challenged everything the professor said. she wasn't dissing Christianity or modern religions in any way, but she would constantly try to show the connections between ancient religions and the stories in the bible to help us understand the history behind the bible and the similarities between ALL religions. every single day these girls would attack her and be like "well, they might be similar but the bible story is the only one that's true..." and she'd just be like "um ok, if you want to believe that then fine. but for the sake of this class, i ask you to have an open mind." and the girls would freak out and say she was trying to diss their religion. it was ridiculous, they couldn't even accept that ANCIENT religions that outdated the bible by thousands of years were what helped form the ideas of Judaism and Christianity. i was just like, why are you here? in a Mythology course when you could be taking Art History or something? go home.

[/cool story bro]
rex_dart 29th-Jan-2010 12:58 am (UTC)
Dude the art history students don't want those lunatics either.
abrokencompass 29th-Jan-2010 12:52 am (UTC)
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


I usually end up walking away in anger when I get into a debate with someone over Creationism/Darwin's Theory. I just can't stand people saying, "Well, Darwin's theory is just a theory it's not fact!" Like creationism is a fact?

*epic facepalm*
coco_waters 29th-Jan-2010 01:25 am (UTC)
Creationism is fact to creationists because they do not need evidence to believe it, and what they believe is true because they believe in it, ergo fact. This is, of course, bullshit.

I really wish that is was a requirement for pupils to learn the difference between what people call fact in regular life and scientific fact.
kekekekekekeke 29th-Jan-2010 12:58 am (UTC)
the scientific definition of theory is different from the layperson's!
excusemesenator 29th-Jan-2010 01:13 am (UTC)
so what your saying is "it's okay because they're stupid"
misatojaganshi 29th-Jan-2010 01:00 am (UTC)
seriously? ughhhhhhhhh my head hurts.
rex_dart 29th-Jan-2010 01:00 am (UTC)
I'm just gonna say it: I fucking hate people who use the word theory and don't know what it means. I want to puch them repeatedly in the groin, and society as a whole would be better off without them.

Fuck 'em.
tresa_cho 29th-Jan-2010 01:01 am (UTC)
My first exposure to creationism was from my high school PHYSICS teacher.

...

Yea, that's what I said.
tigerdreams 29th-Jan-2010 06:51 am (UTC)
o_0
mylaptopisevil 29th-Jan-2010 01:01 am (UTC)
I was hoping this would be that they're disputing Darwin on scientific terms because they felt evolution was enacted in a more intentional manner than it just plodding along or something WAY TO DISAPPOINT ME
tresa_cho 29th-Jan-2010 01:08 am (UTC)
Hahah ditto.
derogatory 29th-Jan-2010 01:03 am (UTC)
He did not feel that a belief in evolution was necessary to study medicine although he added that, if writing about it was necessary for passing an exam, he would do so.


THEN SIT THE FUCK DOWN.
roseofjuly 29th-Jan-2010 02:56 am (UTC)
It is pretty necessary, though. I'm a graduate psychology student and the more I learn about neuroscience, cognition, and social behavior - especially about primate behavior and other animal behavior - the more I wonder how anyone past undergrad can NOT believe in evolution. The signs are pretty fucking glaring.
draperyfalls 29th-Jan-2010 01:12 am (UTC)
I was a pre-med Biology undergrad as well as a member of my university's MSA, and the amount of cognitive dissonance I witnessed was staggering. We would go to Evolution classes, take class trips to The Field Museum, study fossils in our lab - and then for the few minutes we'd go to the mosque, perfectly rational people of sound minds would simply ignore all their scientific knowledge and inclinations and talk about how Allah made Hawa out of Adam's rib. In other words, they would stick their fingers in their ears and go "ALALALALALALA!".

I was just there for the community aspect and free food during Ramadan, but at some point I couldn't take it anymore and had to leave.
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