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Muslim groups plan Islamic center at Sept. 11 site

2:07 am - 05/08/2010
New Yorkers Wary Of Future Ground Zero Mosque


NEW YORK (CBS) - In a building damaged by debris from the Sept. 11 airliners that brought down the World Trade Center and soon to become a 13-story mosque, some see the bridging of a cultural divide and an opportunity to serve a burgeoning, peaceful religious population. Others see a painful reminder of the religious extremism that killed their loved ones.

Anything having to do with that day, that place, carries enormous meaning. Now two Islamic organizations have partnered to build something that they say will bring some good from something very bad.



Organizers say the project will create a venue for mainstream Islam and a counterbalance to radicalism. It earned a key endorsement this week from influential community leaders.

"This is a community center, a community and cultural center, which would include certainly prayer space for Muslims and we hope for non-Muslims as well, to bring about a new discourse in the relationship between the United States, New York City, and the Muslim world," said Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the Cordoba Initiative.

He's hoping the 13-story, $100 million Islamic center will join the other buildings; the banks, offices, and apartments, going up at ground zero. It will serve a growing Muslim population in lower Manhattan.

The closest mosque to this area is a dozen blocks away and very over-crowded, but this site was also chosen for exactly what happened here on 9/11, and what America stands for, Rauf told CBS station WCBS-TV in New York City.

"Definitely, this is a victory of American tolerance over hatred," Rauf said.

But some 9/11 victims' families say the issue isn't tolerance.

It's sensitivity.

"I don't like it," said Evelyn Pettigano, who lost a sister in the attacks, during a phone interview on Thursday. "I'm not prejudiced. ... It's too close to the area where our family members were murdered."

"I lost my brother, Sean. He was a fireman," Rosaleen Tallon said.


"As an American I am so proud of our freedom of religion, but I also think we have to be historically sensitive to what happened in that area," Tallon said.

Tallon wants to teach her son, Paddy, to be tolerant of other religions. But she wonders if other religions, like Islam, are teaching their children to be tolerant of hers. There are other places in the city, she said, for another mosque.

"I don't think that they would build a German cultural center right near Auschwitz. Just because you're looking at what happened to the people that died there. That's all that should be focused on," Tallon said.

The organizations publicly unveiled the preliminary plan for the project, known as the Cordoba House, on Wednesday at a meeting of the finance committee of the local community board, which is composed of influential stakeholders in lower Manhattan. While the agency has no authority over what can be developed at the site, their support is viewed as key to gaining acceptance from residents.

Edward "Ro" Sheffe, the chairman of the financial district committee for Community Board 1, said the 15 members passed a resolution of support for the project, though he emphasized that the board had no authority to approve or disapprove of a house of worship, per se. Indeed, he said the developers could do whatever they wanted with the building, which they own.

"They came to tell us what they had in mind and see what we felt about it," he said. "The understanding we came away with was that this was an ongoing dialogue."

The members' only concerns had to do with the aesthetics of the building, and whether it would fit with the surrounding architecture, he said. The overall feeling was one of goodwill because the financial district, a fast-growing residential area, lacks for amenities such as community centers.

"We very much need residential amenities for the people who live here," he said.


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[info]paulnolan 8th-May-2010 11:30 am (UTC)
the financial district, a fast-growing residential area, lacks for amenities such as community centers.

So yeah... seems like a good idea.
[info]squid_ink 8th-May-2010 01:55 pm (UTC)
it's been a residential area for decades prior to 9-11

there were/are a handful of churches that had been there for almost a century that long predated the trade center but no new churches/places of worship.

I don't care one way or another if there is a mosque there.. i think it's a weird place for any 'church', it's going to be office buildings.

[info]porcelain72 8th-May-2010 11:47 am (UTC)
I'm not sure it's a good idea just because of the constant shit they're going to get about it. I can hear heads exploding at the New York Post already.
[info]paulnolan 8th-May-2010 11:56 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's a point.
[info]crystallinegirl 8th-May-2010 11:55 am (UTC)
Um - no. Just no. I don't care how peaceful the main religion is - that's just not cool. There's sensitivity - and then there's this.

Shit, you guys were talking about distancing with Obama and his joke about the predator drones? I think we need some distancing HERE. No mosques on Ground Zero. Please. It's too close to what caused it.
[info]paulnolan 8th-May-2010 12:01 pm (UTC)
If they'd flown a mosque into the towers I'd see your point.
[info]apocalypsos 8th-May-2010 11:56 am (UTC)
But she wonders if other religions, like Islam, are teaching their children to be tolerant of hers.

They are, but you probably haven't learned that because there isn't someplace in the area that could teach you that. You know, like a nice cultural center.
[info]trbulnt_spnstr 9th-May-2010 02:18 am (UTC)
lol. good combination of poignancy and sarcasm.
[info]popehippo 8th-May-2010 12:11 pm (UTC)
I'm really indecisive. I really think it'd be a good idea for the community and would totally support it... if I were not worried that somebody would go nuts and try to harm the building or those who go to it.
[info]apocalypsos 8th-May-2010 12:16 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not worried about the people going to the mosque being violent, I'm worried about somebody deciding to "hurt them before they hurt us" or some shit.
[info]fadetopolkadots 8th-May-2010 12:11 pm (UTC)
I can completely understands the concerns of placing a mosque here, but at the same time, surely having an Islamic community centre which would show what mainstream Muslims believe. I'm an atheist but I know that fundamentalists like Fred Phelps are not representative of mainstream Christian beliefs.
[info]irised 8th-May-2010 12:31 pm (UTC)
I agree. I understand the point these people are making, but the terrorists don't represent the religion of Islam.
[info]lisaee 8th-May-2010 12:17 pm (UTC)
I can see why people are concerned, but I think in the long run it would be a good thing for the area. I would like to think that people could learn to separate mainstream Islam from the extremism.

Also, the comment about Auschwitz seems ... misguided.
[info]nordeme 8th-May-2010 02:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah agreed. Why do people always try to compare EVERYTHING to the Holocaust? Even when the analogy really doesn't work...it's kind of disrespectful :(
[info]valencianbelle 8th-May-2010 12:45 pm (UTC)
UGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH I have to be honest and say even though my initial though in my head was, excuse me? Muslims aren't terrorists and Islam isn't a terrorist organization, it's just a small sub-faction that are nuts!! Freedom of religion! they can build it wherever they want because they have the means and the right too!!! My chest lurched a little bit and I felt hurt. I can't explain that to any of you who are not New Yorkers and wasn't here on that day, and to those of you were are New Yorkers and was here on that day who had the initial thought in their head and didn't have a moment of trepidation, then that's you, not me, for me, the connection to Islam and 9/11 and where they plan on putting this kinda stung for a second... just being honest. But yeah, back to logic and not irrational human emotions, they have a right to build that wherever they want, but, man, the shit they're gonna get, I don't think it's gonna be as peaceful and transformative as they think. But good luck to'em.
[info]stardust9121 8th-May-2010 12:55 pm (UTC)
I can't help but think that a mosque in this specific location would send a pretty important global message as well.
[info]futurebird 8th-May-2010 01:20 pm (UTC)
This.
[info]stoichiometric 8th-May-2010 01:08 pm (UTC)
i like the idea and feel it could send a powerful message. people also have to remember that there were muslim victims in 9/11, so i have to disagree with tallon's comparisons with building a german cultural near auschwitz. (actually did anyone else have a hard time comprehending that comparison?)
[info]lexiloumarie 8th-May-2010 01:43 pm (UTC)
Its as if she thought the Jewish people from Germany weren't really German, and didn't share a language and culture with Christian Germans so therefore it would be insensitive since Nazi=German. :/ Or something like that.

Oy.

But I agree with you on the first part. I think its would be a great message, to show the world that not everyone equates Muslim with terrorist.

Edited at 2010-05-08 01:43 pm (UTC)
[info]thewoman_76 8th-May-2010 01:33 pm (UTC)
I think a mosque being build there could be a good thing, but I know there a stupid people who might think "eye for an eye" and it could be a potential explosive situation.
[info]petalsinthewind 8th-May-2010 01:58 pm (UTC)
There were Muslim victims too and it's kinda gross to say that their religion is not worthy or whatever of having a building at the site.
[info]futurebird 8th-May-2010 03:30 pm (UTC)
Seriously.
[info]kitty0_o 8th-May-2010 01:58 pm (UTC)
I'm of two minds about this. Yes, rationally, there should be no reason not to build a mosque there, and quite a few reasons for it. On the other hand, I do understand that, emotionally, it may be hard for some to see a symbol of what their loved ones were killed in the name of up there, even if their rational minds know that extremism is in no way representative of the whole religion.

However, if I have to choose sides, I definitely think it's a good idea.
[info]parhelion_spark 8th-May-2010 06:00 pm (UTC)
This. I think the knee-jerk reaction is the best reason, in fact. There's this brilliant opportunity for better understanding, and real tolerance to come out of a hate crime. I can't think of a better way to honour those lost.
[info]layweed 8th-May-2010 02:17 pm (UTC)
Oh boy, this isn't going to go over well at all.
[info]misadventurelad 8th-May-2010 02:27 pm (UTC)
I say go for it. There's another masjid in Manhattan (that had been there for 20 years prior) that lost their lease after 9/11. They fought the landlord but ended up out on the street anyway. They're in an interim space now but have to have people on the street for prayers during the week; there's just no room. God knows what'll happen during Ramadan or what happens on Friday afternoons you know? I know people are out there on the sidewalk, turned toward Mecca. They're asking for contributions to buy something somewhere, but it hasn't happened yet.

There are thousands and thousands of Muslims in NYC facing similar dire straights because of prejudice after 9/11. I think a masjid would go super far in getting everyone to progress past illogical fears, get lots of folks without a place to pray a place to pray and, as someone above noted, make a greater global impact, saying that America isn't going to go down the road of prejudice of Sweden, Italy, France etc.
[info]pluspoli 8th-May-2010 05:21 pm (UTC)
I agree with everything in this comment.
[info]jessicamee 8th-May-2010 02:27 pm (UTC)
I don't like it just because I don't like the idea of anything being built there.
I can see the point of both sides, though.
[info]futurebird 8th-May-2010 03:29 pm (UTC)
Do you live in NYC? Just wondering. It's kind of a big deal to have a giant area with noting in it in the hear of one of our downtown. It harms the urban fabric.

Unless (maybe) it's a park, but too may people want to turn it in to a place of somberness and that just not what downtown needs.
[info]_meathook 8th-May-2010 02:30 pm (UTC)
You think there'd be this much of a shitstorm if they wanted to build a hunting/camping/etc. store near the site of the Oklahoma City bombing? Probably not... them's 'merican values, I tell you what.
[info]kaze_to_isshoni 8th-May-2010 02:56 pm (UTC)
this. not to mention that it was an american christian behind that one...so that's not 'terrorism' :rolleyes:
[info]ladyofshalott06 8th-May-2010 03:00 pm (UTC)
As difficult as it may be for some people to deal with, I think this could actually be a good idea.

But what happened to Daniel Liebeskind's plan for the 9/11 site?
[info]caerfrli 8th-May-2010 03:08 pm (UTC)
too expensive and too much fighting over what should go where
[info]butterflyrei 8th-May-2010 03:20 pm (UTC)
I think it's a great idea. Heck, I would make a trip to NYC just to pray there.
[info]tinypianos 8th-May-2010 03:24 pm (UTC)
100% against this. I don't think any place of worship should be built there. It should either be a new office building, a memorial or left empty. Or maybe a community center or something? I don't know. I get what they're saying though, I just don't think it's a good idea.
[info]futurebird 8th-May-2010 03:27 pm (UTC)
Down town NYC needs to have building in it leaving a big space like that empty will hinder the progress of the city.
[info]futurebird 8th-May-2010 03:31 pm (UTC)
You're bigot for blaming all Muslims. That's absurd.
[info]bluetooth16 8th-May-2010 03:31 pm (UTC)
I'm really wary of anything that's outright political or religious on the site. I understand they want to break down stereotypes, but I don't think this is the way to go. A community center for Battery Park/TriBecA would be a great idea since the place is all housing and office space.
[info]tinypianos 8th-May-2010 03:32 pm (UTC)
Exactly!
[info]99times 8th-May-2010 03:31 pm (UTC)
Yup, Oprah, master of the world, says it all.
[info]iweep4u 8th-May-2010 03:41 pm (UTC)
Well, seeing as people who blow up other people don't really follow Islam anyway, I don't see a particular problem.
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