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11:12 am - 08/02/2010
Kyl: Illegal Aliens' Kids Shouldn't Be Citizens

Wants Hearing on 14th Amendment Which Grants Citizenship to Children of Illegal Immigrants Born in America

Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., said today that Congress should hold hearings to look into denying citizenship to illegal aliens' children born in the United States, as the fight over immigration widens into the explosive "birthright" issue.

Kyl told CBS' "Face the Nation" that he supports a call by fellow Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., to introduce a new amendment to repeal the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

Support is growing for this stunning reversal from Graham, who in 2007 drew the ire of Republicans when he lobbied for granting legal status to 12 million undocumented workers, and along with President George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., led the failed immigration reform effort that would have given illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

The 14th Amendment was enacted in 1868 to ensure that states would not deny citizenship to former slaves. It reads, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Arizona's Republican State Sen. Russell Pearce - the architect of the controversial immigration law that was largely struck down by U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton - also separately proposed the same measure.

"The 14th Amendment [has been] interpreted to provide that if you are born in the United States, you are a citizen no matter what," Kyl said. "So the question is, if both parents are here illegally, should there be a reward for their illegal behavior?"

Kyl said Congress should hold hearings and invite constitutional experts to look at the state of the 14th Amendment. The growing support for the issue suggests the Republicans are exploring different strategies to fight the Obama administration's victory over the Arizona immigration law, after Bolton issued a preliminary injunction on key provisions.

Kyl is a supporter of the law.

"I think the court's decision was wrong," he said today. "The governor and legislative leaders have talked about possibly tweaking 
to use their phrase - the law to see if they can obviate the concerns the judge expressed. I don't think they can because her decision was very sweeping.

"I think it more likely that Congress could act to actually fix the problem," Kyl said, "by reaffirming that it is Congress' intent that the law be enforced, rather than having the administration decide that they don't want to thoroughly enforce the law."

Kyl said his support of the law has to do with illegal aliens taking jobs that Americans want; immigrants posing a burden on the state in the form of education, medical care and welfare benefits; and crime.

"To me the most important thing is the crime associated with it - not necessarily committed by illegal immigrants but committed on illegal immigrants, as well as the roughly 15 percent of the people who cross the border each year illegally who are criminals."

But this week's "Face the Nation" host Harry Smith pointed out that crime has had a negative correlation with the arrival of immigrants. "Crime in Phoenix, for instance, is down significantly over the last couple of years," Smith said.

"That's a gross generalization," Kyl said. "Property crimes are up. Certain violent crimes on certain parts of the citizenry are up. Phoenix is a very large source of kidnapping. It's called the kidnapping capital of the United States because the illegal immigrants who are brought to Phoenix for distribution throughout the country are held in drop houses. They are mistreated, horribly treated."

Kyl said the law is not discriminatory. "But if you live here in Arizona you'll appreciate the fact that we have a great tradition, particularly with our neighbor to the south, Mexico. It's not a matter of being anti-Hispanic. It's a matter of wanting to enforce the law."

But Thomas Saenz, president of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, disputed Kyl's claim.

"I think that whenever you enact something that requires police officers - as the law would have done - to engage in stereotyping, to engage in racial profiling, acting on what they understand to be the undocumented profile, that's going to result in discrimination against Latinos and others who may appear to be foreign, who may appear to be immigrants," Saenz said. "In that very practical sense, it is an anti-Latino law."

Saenz also lashed out against Kyl's support of the repeal of the 14th Amendment.

"I think it's deplorable," he said. "It's an attempt to turn our back on 150 years of constitutional history and tradition. I think it's contrary to the values of this country. I think it's an assault on the recognition that ours is a country of immigrants and always has been. The 14th Amendment is very clear: Anyone who is born here, unless you are the child of a diplomat, is a United States citizen. That has led to great success. It's part of what has made this nation the great nation that it is in 2010.

"I think determining to change that would be a grave mistake," he said.


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popehippo 2nd-Aug-2010 03:25 pm (UTC)
the roughly 15 percent of the people who cross the border each year illegally who are criminals.

Source plz, as well as the stats of overall how many actual citizens who are also criminals in comparison.
zoram 2nd-Aug-2010 04:52 pm (UTC)
If only 15% of all immigrants break the law, they're probably the most law-abiding part of the population.
luomo 2nd-Aug-2010 03:26 pm (UTC)
"To me the most important thing is the crime associated with it - not necessarily committed by illegal immigrants but committed on illegal immigrants

...right.
nothingmuch 2nd-Aug-2010 03:45 pm (UTC)
"The 14th Amendment [has been] interpreted to provide that if you are born in the United States, you are a citizen no matter what," Kyl said. "So the question is, if both parents are here illegally, should there be a reward for their illegal behavior?"

So being born here is illegal now? Because the only ones being rewarded right now are the ones who never chose to come here. Newborn Americans aren't being rewarded for "illegal behavior."

The 14th amendment is all that stands between us and a new era of slavery. Without it, babies born here to undocumented immigrants would have no citizenship anywhere and nowhere else to go. They'd have no choice but to live in the US and work under the table. There would be nowhere to deport them, and they would have no future other than working like a slave for wealthy jerks like John Kyl.

Edited at 2010-08-02 03:49 pm (UTC)
dicranum 2nd-Aug-2010 04:27 pm (UTC)
I was just wondering if that meant they'd have no citizenship at all. Agh. That's scary. I'm sure the sickos running sex slave trades would just love this.
girlthatyoufear 2nd-Aug-2010 04:25 pm (UTC)
Pray tell, Kyl, where exactly would you like me and millions of other children of immigrants to go? We're born and raised here. Many have never gone to their parents' country of origin/are not citizens of those countries nor do they know their parents' native language (if it is indeed not English). Many of their parents nearly sacrificed their lives to get to this country in order to give those children a better life in the supposed "land of the free". Also, can we talk about how you are probably a descendant of "illegalz" somewhere down the line? Can we strip you of your citizenship? You certainly don't deserve it either given that you're willing to shit all over the Constitution you and your party supposedly care about.

You can shut the fuck up now.
poetic_pixie_13 2nd-Aug-2010 04:44 pm (UTC)
Thisthisthisthis.

"Going back where I came from" means going to a country I've never lived in, one where a bloody 26 year civil war just ended and where as a queer woman and an ethnic minority I know my rights won't be protected or even recognized. I don't speak my mother-tongue and would have to adjust to a way of life that is totally foreign to me. But none of that matters because immigrants and their children can never 'really' belong. And because, at the end of the day, to people like Kyl we're just not full people.
poetic_pixie_13 2nd-Aug-2010 04:30 pm (UTC)
ladygoddess 2nd-Aug-2010 10:42 pm (UTC)
What's the title of this movie? I keep forgetting to find it and watch it.
fishphile 2nd-Aug-2010 05:02 pm (UTC)
Now who wants to change the constitution?

Also, fuck this bullshit. I believe this is all fear because the brownz peoplez are changing the face of America.
bwhahahabeck 2nd-Aug-2010 05:11 pm (UTC)
I fucking hate the term illegal aliens.
fishphile 2nd-Aug-2010 05:23 pm (UTC)
I do too, but if you are trying to demonize and dehumanize people, the best way to do it is to remove the human part of the narrative. It's worked through out history, that ability to 'other' people so that the folks doing inhumane things can assuage their guilt.
juli_24 2nd-Aug-2010 05:20 pm (UTC)
I'd like to know what they want to do with these children. Depending on the country of origin of their parents, they won't be citizens of any country. How are they going to deport them?
ubiquitous_a 2nd-Aug-2010 06:17 pm (UTC)
They'll send them to Narnia. ;p
layweed 2nd-Aug-2010 05:20 pm (UTC)
I totally agree, and might I just add, "REVOKE SENATOR KYL'S CITIZENSHIP NOW!"
layweed 2nd-Aug-2010 05:20 pm (UTC)
Ohhhhhh wait that's not what they mean.
angry_chick 2nd-Aug-2010 05:27 pm (UTC)
Well, Kyl, with that logic, you shouldn't be a citizen either, and should get your ass on a ship back to Europe.
wrongheaded 3rd-Aug-2010 07:01 am (UTC)
What depresses the hell out of me is this political cartoon from 1893. Back then they didn't even want the immigrants from Europe! And here we are, over 100 years later, having the same tired argument about how we can't let The Other into our country. Of course it's even more damning that whites had to kill their way through an entire continent of natives to start this country in the first place... Actually, that makes me wonder: wouldn't some of the people who live in modern-day Mexico be descendants of displaced native populations? If so, I'd say they have more right to be here than anyone else.
veritasera 2nd-Aug-2010 05:40 pm (UTC)
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kseda 2nd-Aug-2010 06:24 pm (UTC)
VIRGINIA DARE: the first anchor baby
ladygoddess 2nd-Aug-2010 10:43 pm (UTC)
The first to also disappear too. *loves historical mysteries*
sarien 2nd-Aug-2010 06:33 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't be a citizen...and so many other people who I know. I contribute a lot more to better our society than this douchenozzle. And seeing as I don't have citizenship in Panama or El Salvador...WHERE WOULD I GO? Is there some purgatory or "in between" country that we'll be shipped to. O_o
ghost_busting 2nd-Aug-2010 06:47 pm (UTC)
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intotheaether 3rd-Aug-2010 07:38 am (UTC)
i agree özil, i agree.
jiaren_shadow 2nd-Aug-2010 07:26 pm (UTC)
Lindsey Graham is supporting this bullshit? NOOOOOOO!

YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! IT WAS SAID YOU WOULD DESTROY THE TEA PARTY, NOT JOIN THEM, BRING BALANCE TO WASHINGTON, NOT LEAVE IT IN DARKNESS! ...You were my favorite Republican, Lindsey Graham. I loved you!
celli_puzzle 2nd-Aug-2010 07:45 pm (UTC)
I KNOOOOOW. I WAS LIKE, omg I thought Lindsey Graham was cool :'(
shoujokakumei 2nd-Aug-2010 07:29 pm (UTC)
Where's the "We shouldn't punish children for the mistakes of their parents" anti-abortion crowd on this one?
beoweasel 2nd-Aug-2010 08:18 pm (UTC)
Standing with the republicans wanting to repeal the 14th Amendment?
beoweasel 2nd-Aug-2010 08:31 pm (UTC)
Unless I'm wrong, to repeal the 14th Amendment, they have to pass a new Amendment that would render the 14th void, wouldn't they?

But to get such an Amendment passed, they would need 2/3rd majority of both the House and Senate, which, given the current political climate, is very unlikely.

So, basically, this really amounts to political posturing by Republicans, to convince their base that they're "tough" on illegal-immigrants? So, and, this might be a bit of a leap in logic, but, these shmucks are really just wasting tax-payer money and time, all to improve their image?
thenakedcat 2nd-Aug-2010 11:44 pm (UTC)
GOT IT IN ONE!
noir_aya 3rd-Aug-2010 12:44 am (UTC)
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illusivevenstar 3rd-Aug-2010 01:33 am (UTC)
roughly 15 percent of the people who cross the border each year illegally who are criminals.

what's the percentage of criminals among ~real US citizens~?
thatdamnninja 3rd-Aug-2010 07:11 am (UTC)

Disgusting and pathetic.
poetic_scribe 3rd-Aug-2010 06:05 pm (UTC)
"Kyl said his support of the law has to do with illegal aliens taking jobs that Americans want"

And which jobs are that, pray-fucking-tell?
noshatsherlock 3rd-Aug-2010 08:18 pm (UTC)
Luckily it's hard to amend the constitution.
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