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10:39 pm - 08/19/2010

France started to send Roma Gypsies back to Romania today




Dozens of Roma (Gypsies) have arrived back in Romania after being repatriated by France under a controversial policy backed by President Nicolas Sarkozy.

At least 70 Roma left France and hundreds more will follow in the coming weeks after their camps were shut down.

The French government says it is a "decent and humane" policy of removing people from deplorable conditions.

But rights groups say the Roma are being demonised, and Romania has warned France against "xenophobic reactions".
 

 

"We understand the position of the French government. At the same time, we support unconditionally the right of every Romanian citizen to travel without restrictions within the EU," Romanian President Traian Basescu said.

However, Mr Basescu added that he was prepared to send police to France to help implement the repatriation scheme.

Two flights from Lyon and Paris were due to be carrying 93 Roma passengers, but according to some reports only 70 actually boarded the flights and arrived in Bucharest.

A deportee named Gabriel told the AFP news agency in Bucharest that life had been "very tough" in France, but he would not rule out returning because there was no work in Romania.

Another man said that in Romania "we don't have any chance, no jobs, nothing".

Hundreds more are expected to leave France on flights scheduled for Friday and next week.

Exploitation claims

The Roma are EU citizens, mostly from Romania or Bulgaria, but French law requires them to have a work permit and prove they have the means to support themselves if they intend to stay for more than three months.

They complain that the permits are difficult to get, and so they are often forced to live illegally.

Roma who agree to leave have each receive 300 euros (£246; $384) and an additional 100 euros for each child.

The French government says it plans to shut down 300 illegal Roma camps in the next three months.

The controversial plan was put in place after clashes last month between police and travellers in the southern city of Grenoble and the central town of Saint-Aignan.

The Roma were not involved in all of the trouble, but the government said travellers' camps were sources of "illegal trafficking" and "exploitation of children for begging, of prostitution and crime".

Some 51 camps have already been demolished by police and the residents have been moved into temporary shelters or accommodation.

Popularity booster?

The operation has been condemned by human rights groups, who say it is deliberately stigmatising a generally law-abiding section of society to win support among right-wing voters.

Last week, members of the UN's Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination criticised the tone of political discourse in France on race issues, saying racism and xenophobia were undergoing a "significant resurgence" there.

But France has insisted that the actions "fully conform with European rules and do not in any way affect the freedom of movement for EU citizens, as defined by treaties".

Foreign ministry spokesman Bernard Valero told AFP that an EU directive "expressly allows for restrictions on the right to move freely for reasons of public order, public security and public health".

The European Commission said it would ensure none of the bloc's rules were being broken.

France repatriated some 10,000 Roma last year and other European countries, including Germany, Italy, Denmark and Sweden pursued similar policies.

Mr Sarkozy's political opponents have accused him of using the Roma issue to shift public attention away from corruption and on to crime.

The BBC's Christian Fraser in Paris says that the president's poll rating is sagging and there are some who accuse him of using the recent unrest to boost his own popularity.

Some of the Roma living in France are part of long-established communities of travelling people who are French nationals.

In addition, there are an estimated 12,000 Roma who are recent immigrants from Central Europe, after Bulgaria and Romania's accession to the EU. Many have no work permits, so live in camps and resort to begging. Separately, at least 400.00 people are designated 'travellers', mostly French nationals with Roma origins.

"Some of these families have been in France for five, seven or 10 years and 300 euros is not enough to help them settle in Romania. They will return in the coming weeks," Malik Salemkour, the vice-president of the French Human Rights League, told the Reuters news agency.

 

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Honestly... nothing can justify rounding up a entire ethnic group. No other groups with illegal immigrants were targeted. Own up to what you're doing and STOP DOING IT. It can only go downhill from here D:




evewithanapple 19th-Aug-2010 10:51 pm (UTC)
selenia_actimel 19th-Aug-2010 10:59 pm (UTC)
Exactly >:(
draconifers 19th-Aug-2010 10:58 pm (UTC)
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omgangiepants 19th-Aug-2010 10:59 pm (UTC)
Wow, I don't see parallels between this any any other historical event, nope.
chezzasheehan 19th-Aug-2010 11:01 pm (UTC)
wtf is this...i can even...f-ing france at it again
selenia_actimel 19th-Aug-2010 11:03 pm (UTC)
And half a dozen othe countries following behind it. This is a nightmare.
taiki i know exactly what to say. 19th-Aug-2010 11:21 pm (UTC)
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

*BREATHE*

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
deathchibi 19th-Aug-2010 11:23 pm (UTC)
What the Hell France. >:(
selenia_actimel 19th-Aug-2010 11:31 pm (UTC)
I can't even wrap my head around these news. I live in a country where stereotyping and discriminating gypsies is unconfortably common. So common in fact we hardly think on it, to the point where it took me years to start analysing my own behaviour and start trying to change.

To see this type of news, and knowing there are people near me (maybe even my family) that are going 'good, wish our government did the same to the lazy freeloaders' makes me terrified of what Europe is spiralling down to.
rauduskoivu 19th-Aug-2010 11:54 pm (UTC)
Afaik, Roma is the only really acceptable term for the people in question; "gypsies" is passé at best and offensive at worst.

In any case, where do you live?

I find it simply shocking how in the US people don't even seem to understand who the Roma are, let alone anything about the discrimination and persecution they've faced for centuries.

Edit: ... derp. Having done research, it sounds like Romani also is still acceptable/a broader category of people/etc. I thought it was dated. Learn something new every day, I suppose.

Edited at 2010-08-19 11:58 pm (UTC)
adelaidejewel 19th-Aug-2010 11:34 pm (UTC)
I love France, but they've been on my bad side lately.
calybe 20th-Aug-2010 08:00 am (UTC)
IAWTC. In fact I think my love affair with France is starting to dwindle.
rauduskoivu 19th-Aug-2010 11:57 pm (UTC)
Christ this is disgusting.

Also in b4 "who are these people."
alierakieron 20th-Aug-2010 12:11 am (UTC)
"repatriated"? Is that the new fucking euphemism?
tiger0range Okay...20th-Aug-2010 12:18 am (UTC)
...This is 1930's all over again... Crap... how many years before they fire up the ovens? O_O;
homasse 20th-Aug-2010 01:30 am (UTC)
Lovely. Just lovely.

WTF, world. WTF.
sailor_moonbeam 20th-Aug-2010 03:04 am (UTC)
this is so angering!
tyndall_blue 20th-Aug-2010 03:12 am (UTC)
France, what the fucking fuck is wrong with you?
octocoffee 20th-Aug-2010 03:16 am (UTC)
I feel like throwing several things in the French government's general direction.
jorajo 20th-Aug-2010 04:20 am (UTC)
....
skywaterblue 20th-Aug-2010 04:21 am (UTC)
Goddamn, France. In what universe would anyone think this was okay?

nephastie 20th-Aug-2010 05:50 am (UTC)
why don't we focus on the reasons why people flee their countries and try to fix those so we just don't have this problem? you too, US. Oh yeah, no one goes in to help other countries when there's not tons of money to be gained. Except that you really would save money and hardship. Not that anyone cares about that last part.
newantt 20th-Aug-2010 03:39 pm (UTC)
Oh France...
mellawe 20th-Aug-2010 04:15 pm (UTC)
So the US is allowed to ship Mexicans out but European countries are not allowed to do the same
selenia_actimel 20th-Aug-2010 04:47 pm (UTC)
It's more complicated than that. For starters, this is not France cracking down on illegal immigrants, this is France cracking down on Romani illegals only. Then you have the actions being taken against the Romani camps where you have to bear in mind most of them are French people. I have to check what happens to those people whose camps were destroyed.
carminaburana 20th-Aug-2010 06:22 pm (UTC)
The targeting and forcible expulsion of a particular ethnic group (who are still EU citizens)? How is this not ethnic cleansing?
mephisto5 20th-Aug-2010 06:40 pm (UTC)
Er.... how is this legal? They're EU citizens in the EU. They have every right to be there.
selenia_actimel 20th-Aug-2010 07:33 pm (UTC)
Every country still has laws about staying in the country. You have to remember they're countries, not states. France's law is that you have to prove you can support yourself there (work permits, the stuff) to stay beyond a few months. If I go to France for more than six months and have no work permit, I'll be an illegal immigrant.

The problem is that (beyond the whole hiring people under the table) romani are usually merchants (at least in my country they rule the markets) which is not your normal 9-5 job with a contract, and of course you have the whole stigma chasing them everywhere that makes a lot of people refuse them a job solely on prejudice. And I bet that goes for work permits as well :/
randomneses 21st-Aug-2010 06:20 am (UTC)
France fail, totally unsurprised.
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