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What small-town America is saying about Obama

3:07 am - 09/12/2008
"Obama isn't even really black -- Bill Clinton is more black than Obama," said Mike Wallace, 44, of Dearborn, Mich. Wallace is a United Auto Workers pipe fitter who plans to vote for McCain, although he believes the vast majority of his co-workers at the local Chrysler plant will vote for Obama, as recommended by a UAW handout.

"I'm not a fan of the blacks," explained Dennis Rodriguez, 48, a restaurant manager from Manistique, Mich., "but I just think Obama is the right man for the job."

Bob Morin, 53, a custodian and swing voter from Cubero, N.M. (a state Bush won by just 5,000 votes in 2004), told me, "I've got a few friends who say, 'There's no way I'm voting for a black guy,' but I think most people have gotten over it."

"He's just not someone I can personally relate to," explained Cathy Massingale, 33, of Cullowhee, N.C., a Democrat who first supported John Edwards this election, and then Hillary Clinton. "Obama just doesn't feel like someone who knows me." Massingale's husband is in the military, and she wants to see a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. But she said she remains undecided about Obama or McCain.



"Obama's like Jesse Jackson -- what does he know except a bunch of cities with lots of blacks?" asked 60-year-old construction worker Louie, in White Branch, Mich., a lifelong Democrat who said he probably won't vote for either candidate this year.

Gary Ball, a former coal miner and editor of the firebrand Mountain Citizen newspaper that is published in Inez, points to an authenticity gap for Obama. "People around here see Obama as being privileged," he said. Never mind McCain -- with his seven houses -- or recent blue blood candidates George W. Bush, John Kerry and Al Gore. "We know Obama's plenty book-smart ... but I liked Harry Truman, the last president to have a simple high school education."

In the quaint and tidy town of Yellville, Ark., Cassie Gilley, 48, a soft-spoken school administrator, explained her view of white, rural America's evolving relationship to race. "There's a difference between racist and prejudiced," she said over sandwiches at Subway, after a service at Yellville's First Baptist Church. "A lot of people around here just haven't spent much time with black people. When they get to know a black person, it's OK. But they will bring their prejudice in at first."

Just outside of Cranks, Ky., in Harlan County, Mack Middleton is a retired coal miner and a die-hard union man -- a United Mine Workers bumper sticker adorns his Dodge van -- but he is also a swing voter who voted both for Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. This year, Middleton, 62, and his wife, Janice, 57, aren't sure if they are going to vote at all. "Obama, he's not our kind of people," said Middleton in a gruff, bitten-off speaking style, taking a break from canning green beans at the couple's double-wide mobile home. "He don't believe in the hereafter, and the Lord, the way I look at it ... he's Muslim."

In Logan, W.Va., abandoned brick storefronts haunt downtown while the Fountain Plaza mall, anchored by a Wal-Mart Supercenter, gleams on the hill above town. Logan County was one of a few counties that voted for John Kerry in 2004 (George W. Bush won West Virginia overall), and, given a struggling economy, would seem primed to swing Democratic again. But Scott, 26, a former trucker currently unemployed, isn't going to vote for Obama. "I know it sounds stupid," he says taking a long drag from his Maverick cigarette, "but Barack Hussein Obama? And if he gets in, somebody'll take him out real quick," he said, referring to potential assassination, which was a surprisingly common theme along rural back roads.

Beyond the necessity of connecting with rural America, the Obama campaign is hoping to gain ground by winning over suburban independents in battleground states. In Columbus, Ohio, I encountered several white, upper-middle-class swing voters who said they would support Obama. But Terry Daniels, 53, a black man who runs a clothing store in downtown Columbus catering to the city's suburbanites, was skeptical that would happen. "Everyone likes to think they're progressive," Daniels said, "but when it comes down to it, they're not going to vote that way."

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[info]chana 12th-Sep-2008 07:28 am (UTC)
sometimes i hate people
[info]ascendings 12th-Sep-2008 07:33 am (UTC)
"I'm not a fan of the blacks,"

o_o
[info]noheadlines 12th-Sep-2008 07:36 am (UTC)
INORITE?

What the everloving fuck does that mean?
[info]my_private_muse 12th-Sep-2008 07:36 am (UTC)
I have a feeling that if I read anything after the first two bullet points, I will explode with rage.

Fuck these voters then. We don't need your vote.
[info]mary_shelley77 12th-Sep-2008 01:47 pm (UTC)
Same here. I did a brief visual scan, saw the words "Harlan County, Kentucky" and wanted to screech my outrage to the cosmos. My mother's family lives in Harlan County. Can't say I'm surprised at the quote, tbh.
[info]surrenderface 12th-Sep-2008 07:36 am (UTC)
LOL IS THIS STUFF SERIOUS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY FUNNY. Mainly the canning green beans in the double wide. I nearly hyperventilated trying to keep from laughing at 3:30am when everyone else is sleeping.
[info]pinkcelebrities 12th-Sep-2008 01:06 pm (UTC)
I KNOW.

Maybe I really am a liberal elitist, like my icon says, because I really don't give a shit what some dumbass in a double wide who has made no attempt to educate himself on the election this year thinks. EFF YOU.

Most of this is thinly veiled racism. A lot not so veiled at all.
[info]goes_kaboom 12th-Sep-2008 07:39 am (UTC)
i feel as my icon does

Edited at 2008-09-12 07:39 am (UTC)
[info]goes_kaboom 12th-Sep-2008 07:41 am (UTC)
also SHUT THE FUCK UP KENTUCKY nobody cares about you

and i live here. we're a fucking racist bigoted hellhole made of MAYBE 10% college grads. we have one "cool" road through the whole state and even the moronic hipsters that jerk off there think they're awesome for telling racist jokes.
[info]de_wood 12th-Sep-2008 07:39 am (UTC)
"I'm not a fan of the blacks"

I think I've said the same thing sardonically before. I never thought anyone would ever actually say it and mean it.
[info]silverfox1027 12th-Sep-2008 07:40 am (UTC)
*~Small town values~*
[info]oatmealia 12th-Sep-2008 08:16 am (UTC)
Seriously.
[info]ohkatespade 12th-Sep-2008 07:40 am (UTC)
I love that they made Mack Middleton sound like the most white trash man in the world, complete with a trailer reference, canning vegetables so he can feed his family for the winter and terrible english.
[info]amateur_photog 12th-Sep-2008 07:40 am (UTC)
I'm not a fan of the blacks,"

I can't believe there are still people who say shit like that. I grew up in the northeast, and I have never come across someone who (openly) thinks like that. Wow.
[info]goes_kaboom 12th-Sep-2008 07:42 am (UTC)
ikr? i grew up in ~*nova scotia*~ and i thought people THERE were racist

i had no idea what true racism was. when the fuck did these people take over the country?
[info]kokosalaki 12th-Sep-2008 07:40 am (UTC)
I shouldn't have read this.

I'm mad now.
[info]goes_kaboom 12th-Sep-2008 07:43 am (UTC)
"Obama's like Jesse Jackson -- what does he know except a bunch of cities with lots of blacks?"

How about Constitutional Law, how to balance a budget, how to cut laws and pen speeches that draw crowds nobody has since the Beatles?

sit the fuck down
[info]laurie_springs 12th-Sep-2008 08:24 am (UTC)
This doesn't even make sense. I have NEVER seen Obama as the millitant type. As a matter of fact, that's the reason why some blacks DIDN'T initially like him lol


Sometimes I feel like we are in dire need of a Malcolm X. I don't know if he ever truly changed minds, but at least he got people to STFU.
[info]justgoaheadnow 12th-Sep-2008 07:46 am (UTC)
Because these people haven't progressed in their thinking they'll prevent our whole nation from progressing.
[info]likespring 12th-Sep-2008 07:46 am (UTC)
"Obama isn't even really black -- Bill Clinton is more black than Obama," said Mike Wallace

I had the "Obama's not really black" conversation with my dad, although he meant it differently than this guy.

He was like "Obama isn't even completely black, why is he ~abandoning~ his white side?" And I tried to explain it, like, besides the fact that he does talk about the white part of his family, he may be half white but people don't see that-- for example when he talked about trying to hail a cab. People don't say "Hey, what is your exact racial make-up? Please break it down into specific percentages so I may determine if you are, in fact, black enough for me to hate" before they discriminate against you. He was kinda like "yeah, okay" but I don't think he really got it :(

"Obama's like Jesse Jackson -- what does he know except a bunch of cities with lots of blacks?"

whaaaaat.

Edited at 2008-09-12 07:48 am (UTC)
[info]goes_kaboom 12th-Sep-2008 08:03 am (UTC)
obama's not black? tell that to the rest of the people in the article :/
[info]my_private_muse 12th-Sep-2008 07:47 am (UTC)
People like this in this country needs to be taken out by natural selection.

What fucking vile, wastes of flesh.
[info]flamingoshake 12th-Sep-2008 10:21 pm (UTC)
They are! Their natural selection of the totally wrong candidate which will deplete their quality of life.

Only thing is we all get screwed :(
[info]rainbowstrlght 12th-Sep-2008 07:48 am (UTC)
These... are just caricatures, right?

Please?
[info]photopsia 12th-Sep-2008 02:13 pm (UTC)
i just sat here reading your icon for like 5 min.
[info]lady_grace 12th-Sep-2008 07:48 am (UTC)
These totally sound like people I grew up around, so I'm not really all that shocked. But lol at "I'm not a fan of the blacks." Wtf?
[info]i_said_boourns 12th-Sep-2008 07:50 am (UTC)
I am SO sick of people wanting to relate to a candidate in order to vote for them. HOW ABOUT SOME ISSUES??

And I'm only concentrating on that because "I'm not a fan of the blacks" made me too fucking angry
[info]maveness 12th-Sep-2008 02:56 pm (UTC)
Considering most politicians are independently wealthy on both sides? I've never understood why they have to be relatable. The days of a candidate being "just like the middle class/lower class" are gone.
[info]box_in_the_box 12th-Sep-2008 07:53 am (UTC)
This country would have been better off if we'd just let the South secede.

These people need to die for the good of evolution.
[info]de_wood 12th-Sep-2008 08:01 am (UTC)
Even then a lot of the worst quotes are from Michigan, and the better (or, at least, still ignorant but seemingly coming from a good place) is from Arkansas.
[info]de_wood Another one12th-Sep-2008 07:55 am (UTC)
Gary Ball, a former coal miner and editor of the firebrand Mountain Citizen newspaper that is published in Inez, points to an authenticity gap for Obama. "People around here see Obama as being privileged," he said. Never mind McCain -- with his seven houses -- or recent blue blood candidates George W. Bush, John Kerry and Al Gore. "We know Obama's plenty book-smart ... but I liked Harry Truman, the last president to have a simple high school education."
[info]goes_kaboom Re: Another one12th-Sep-2008 07:59 am (UTC)
because people are self-indulgent and think the world revolves around them. we would rather see someone woefully incompetent -- like most of us, when it comes to politics and just about anything else -- "make it", because we want assurance we're just fine as we are, because becoming something better takes effort and thus people will villianize it to justify their avoidance of doing so.
[info]jetaimerai 12th-Sep-2008 07:56 am (UTC)
As revolting as "I'm not a fan of the blacks" is, she at least is capable of seeing past it to support Obama. That's more than you can say about a LOT of people.
[info]___closetome 12th-Sep-2008 08:09 am (UTC)
yeah I mean all of these are horrible but I felt that was one of the lesser evils because in the end of the sentence she relents and is making the right choice
[info]somechickxoxo 12th-Sep-2008 07:56 am (UTC)
After reading that I don't know whether I am more upset or saddened.
My friend and her family are hardcore Dems. when I had asked her who she was voting for, she could not answer. She was a die hard Hillary supporter. Admittedly because Hillary is a woman and she hates McCain. When I asked her why she did not like Obama. She could not give me an answer. I told her about how similar their stances were on many issues. but she still could not give me a reason. and then, I knew why, because Barack is black. And since then I can't really look at her the same and don;t talk to her as much.
[info]chibi_melo 12th-Sep-2008 12:19 pm (UTC)
OMG, I had an unfortunate argument with my BFF as well. We've known each other for ten years, and not once in those ten years did she ever say a damn racist thing. A week ago I was talking to her about how I thought it was messed up McCain picked Palin as an obvious ploy and distraction from the issues. She then said that Obama fucked up by not picking Hillary as a running mate(I COMPLETELY disagree and really hate when people say this), and that she knows Obama is a racist just because she use to work with racist black people, whatever the fuck that means.
I told her GTFO with that racist BS and if you're going to be a moron and assume he's racist because you had a bad experience with a couple of people who just happen to be black, when we actually have the possibility of having a Latino (we're both hispanic) for president who is as close as Obama is, don't be mad when some people say, "Ew, a Latino? Aren't they only good for cleaning houses? They probably want to open the borders and let all the Mexicans out!" I know comments like that will happen and I don't think it's fair to talk down on a black person, yet expect the world to embrace a Latino candidate. /rant

And I'm sorry for the long response! It's just that this subject really pisses me off! It's 2008 people! WAKE UP!!
[info]chimbleysweep 12th-Sep-2008 07:57 am (UTC)
lol I lived in a town of 1300 and no one acted like this. Technically, though, it was a village. There's no Small Village America.

This stuff is so awful and so infuriating that all it makes me do is laugh and laugh and laaaaaaaaaaaugh and idk murder.
[info]algore_galore 12th-Sep-2008 07:59 am (UTC)
besides the obvious annoying things about these people... HOW ARE SOME OF THEM STILL UNDECIDED?????
[info]goes_kaboom 12th-Sep-2008 08:02 am (UTC)
the thing that also sucks about living in places like this is pretty much everyone i know over 40 has at least a little of this sentiment in them. when someone says "idk i just don't like niggers" if you look at them in disgust or refuse to talk to them, you become "little miss big-shit" or w/e and get ostracized. or you get made out to be the bad guy if it's just a friend or acquaintance, like "why are you getting pissed off over political shit that's so dumb!"

no, it's not.

i've had to put up with this stuff from family of all people. talking about how michelle obama must have been born under a banana tree and stupid bs like that. it makes me murderous.
[info]omgitskatharine 12th-Sep-2008 08:45 am (UTC)
not to be a creep, but i love you.
[info]misscrystal 12th-Sep-2008 08:02 am (UTC)
In the more rural swing states, it's definitely going to come down to whether or not Obama can win the more densely populated urban areas, because reading these quotes holds no surprise for me at all.
[info]dayumsam 12th-Sep-2008 08:09 am (UTC)
Even though his energy policy proposal is a lot more helpful to farmers and rural areas :/
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