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Fox News uses rape to promote laws allowing guns on college campuses

12:44 pm - 04/10/2011

Across the country, lawmakers are debating whether universities should let students and faculty with permits carry their concealed weapon on campus. Those who want to put an end to such gun-free zones have found an unlikely hero in a petite, soft spoken, young woman who wonders why colleges protect most Constitutional rights, but not the one that matters most when staring into the face of a violent criminal.

 

Amanda Collins, 25, is a wife and new mom, and a concealed weapon permit holder for years. At her father's law office in Reno, she showed us the 9-mm Glock she carries for her safety.

"It's got a pretty standard magazine," she said, "and night sights so you can see in the dark when you're aiming."

However, Collins couldn't aim her gun at the serial rapist who attacked her at the University of Nevada at Reno, where she was a student. That's because, like most public colleges outside of Utah and Colorado, UNR is a "gun free" zone. The rule required her to leave her gun at home, leaving her defenseless the one time she needed its protection most.

In October of 2007, while walking to her car after a night class, Collins was grabbed from behind in a university parking garage less than 300 yards from a campus police office. The school's "gun-free" designation meant nothing to James Biela, a serial rapist with a gun of his own, who saw Collins as an easy target. "He put a firearm to my temple," she recounted, "clocked off the safety, and told me not to say anything, before he raped me."

The university has since installed more emergency call boxes and lights in the parking structure, but Collins says that won't stop an attacker who knows the campus is a gun-free zone, a policy she believes invites crime, and may have even emboldened the man who raped her.

Just months later, Biela went on to murder 19-year old Brianna Dennison in a case that received widespread national attention. While Biela now sits on death row, Collins is convinced the outcome would have been different had she been armed.

"I know, having been the first victim, that Brianna Dennison would still be alive, had I been able to defend myself that night."

Collins is believed to be the first victim of an on-campus rape to come out and publicly share her horrific attack in an effort to change the law and keep people safe.

Last month, she testified before Nevada lawmakers in support of [missing from source] , a bill that would allow concealed weapons at the state's public universities. It would abolish the requirement that permit holders get permission from the university president -- a request that is routinely denied. (Amanda was finally allowed to carry her weapon -- after she was attacked).

But others say campus gun-free zones are vital to maintain security and reduce chances of gun related accidents and violence. Reno police oppose the bill, as does an academic group called the Nevada Faculty Alliance. Dr. Gregory Brown, professor of history at UNLV and vice president of the UNLV Faculty Alliance, points to studies that argue more guns on campus translates into more violence at school.

Nevada State Senator Michael Schneider, D-Las Vegas, fears guns in the hands of students will be disastrous.

"They are not trained professionals," Schneider said. "By the time any student could get a gun, when they were attacked by someone else with a gun if they went for their gun, it would be a bad outcome."

But author John Lott, who writes in support of gun rights, argues that at the 70 schools that allow students and faculty with permits to carry guns, "not one has experienced the type of harm predicted by opponents. Not a single permit holder on these campuses has been involved in a firearm accident or crime."

For Collins, the ban defies logic.

"I don't understand why (the state) trusts good, responsible people to be able to have their firearm across the street, and as soon as they cross an arbitrary line, they somehow lose all reason and ability to be able to be competent with that responsibility. It makes no sense to me at all."

Her main argument comes from self protection. "Everyone deserves a chance to defend themselves," she says. "The criminals who are intent on committing a crime don't care about what the rules and regulations are. The only ones that do are the law abiding citizens, and those are the ones who are permitted to carry everywhere else."

Later this month, SB 231 heads to the Senate floor, where Schneider vows to block it.

A dozen other states, including Florida, Idaho, and Texas, are also debating whether to lift gun bans on college campuses. As traumatic as it to relive her attack, Collins says she'll testify wherever and whenever she can to help make that happen.

 

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So basically... sexual assault is the woman's fault until Fox News can use it to promote fuckery. Cool.
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 07:30 pm (UTC)
ladypolitik 10th-Apr-2011 07:34 pm (UTC)
"I dont have a logically unsound argument, I'm friends with a Rape Victim Who Carries A Gun!"
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 07:39 pm (UTC)
your argument "omg people might be irresponsible with guns"

that logic can be applied to everything in the world starting with running with scissors.

you still can't address the issue why she can carry the gun everywhere else but on campus.
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
Even if she decided to become a vocal proponent of the law?

That's why I posted the video so people can actually see and hear her. That the story is coming from her.
ladypolitik 10th-Apr-2011 07:51 pm (UTC)
Appealing to authority is a fallacious approach from which to make an already dubious argument.
ladypolitik 10th-Apr-2011 07:45 pm (UTC)
your argument "omg people might be irresponsible with guns"

that logic can be applied to everything in the world starting with running with scissors.


I cant even begin to address this, as there is not a single strand of logical transition between those two sentences. At all.

you still can't address the issue why she can carry the gun everywhere else but on campus.

Welcome to school/identified institutions, where the notion of rules, restrictions and prohibitions on select conduct not prohibited outside campus, is not at all a novel concept.

Edited at 2011-04-10 07:46 pm (UTC)
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 07:49 pm (UTC)
I'll put it in format you might understand:

Guns to Irresponsible People as Scissors to Irresponsible People.

Can you provide a reason for such restriction? Before you do - notice that this is restriction by the state not by the selected schools.
bestdaywelived 11th-Apr-2011 05:38 pm (UTC)
Nope. Only gun nuts use that argument. Guns are not scissors. It's a stupid and frankly offensive comparison. It takes way the fuck more effort to kill someone with a pair of scissors than it does to shoot them with a gun, and the changes of a pair of scissors being "accidentally discharged" into a person is basically nil.
notgarystu 10th-Apr-2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
If you had the choice between a pair of scissors and a gun for a weapon, would you choose the scissors?

No?

Oh that's right, because guns were made for the explicit purpose of killing things very easily at a distance, unlike scissors.

Guns aren't comparable to scissors, so let's not trot out the ~BUT BUT YOU CAN KILL SOMEONE WITH SCISSORS TOO!!!!!~ fallacy "argument".
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 07:55 pm (UTC)
No ladypolitik argues that "They dont know the first thing about the skill and training it takes to use firearms at all, let alone defensively" basically saying that people are irresponsible with dangerous things. People can be irresponsible with scissors - run around tumble and take your eye out or stick it into someone. Let's ban scissors. Or even better let's ban cars - there are more deaths from careless driving and accidents than deaths from shootings. Until one comes up with reasoning beyond "i'm afraid people are stupid" it's all bs.
ladypolitik 10th-Apr-2011 08:04 pm (UTC)
How are you this obtuse.


How.
notgarystu 10th-Apr-2011 08:05 pm (UTC)
Huh, I didn't know that if you misuse a pair of scissors, you have a really, really, really significant chance of killing someone else! I thought you'd just run the risk of stabbing yourself or cutting something. They're exactly like guns after all!

Until one comes up with reasoning beyond "i'm afraid people are stupid" it's all bs.

Except people have "come up" with reasoning beyond "i'm afraid people are stupid", but it's okay, I know you have problems hearing anything that doesn't support your worldview.
cyranothe2nd 10th-Apr-2011 11:55 pm (UTC)
And when scissors kill as many people as gun violence does, you will have a point.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 12:08 am (UTC)
you think there would be less death violence if guns were outlawed?
cyranothe2nd 11th-Apr-2011 12:53 am (UTC)
I assume you mean 'gun violence' not 'death violence'...
freebacon 10th-Apr-2011 08:06 pm (UTC)
or

ORRRRRRRRRR

people could just stop raping

there's always that
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 08:14 pm (UTC)
so we don't need police cause people just could stop raping, killing, stealing, etc.?

Unicorns do not exist.
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 08:23 pm (UTC)
Uhm look at comment that I was replying to.

Police is there for defense, guns are for defense, mace spray is for defense.

What you want to chose - should be up to you.
freebacon 10th-Apr-2011 08:20 pm (UTC)
and guns don't solve every single problem in the world!

you know what would solve rape? addressing rape culture, why it exists, and eradicating it

this whole thing still puts the onus of doing something about rape on the victim, not the rapist.
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 08:27 pm (UTC)
Who said that guns solve every problem? But it is nice to have some selection of means to defend one self. And I'm not talking exclusively about rape.
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