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Fox News uses rape to promote laws allowing guns on college campuses

12:44 pm - 04/10/2011

Across the country, lawmakers are debating whether universities should let students and faculty with permits carry their concealed weapon on campus. Those who want to put an end to such gun-free zones have found an unlikely hero in a petite, soft spoken, young woman who wonders why colleges protect most Constitutional rights, but not the one that matters most when staring into the face of a violent criminal.

 

Amanda Collins, 25, is a wife and new mom, and a concealed weapon permit holder for years. At her father's law office in Reno, she showed us the 9-mm Glock she carries for her safety.

"It's got a pretty standard magazine," she said, "and night sights so you can see in the dark when you're aiming."

However, Collins couldn't aim her gun at the serial rapist who attacked her at the University of Nevada at Reno, where she was a student. That's because, like most public colleges outside of Utah and Colorado, UNR is a "gun free" zone. The rule required her to leave her gun at home, leaving her defenseless the one time she needed its protection most.

In October of 2007, while walking to her car after a night class, Collins was grabbed from behind in a university parking garage less than 300 yards from a campus police office. The school's "gun-free" designation meant nothing to James Biela, a serial rapist with a gun of his own, who saw Collins as an easy target. "He put a firearm to my temple," she recounted, "clocked off the safety, and told me not to say anything, before he raped me."

The university has since installed more emergency call boxes and lights in the parking structure, but Collins says that won't stop an attacker who knows the campus is a gun-free zone, a policy she believes invites crime, and may have even emboldened the man who raped her.

Just months later, Biela went on to murder 19-year old Brianna Dennison in a case that received widespread national attention. While Biela now sits on death row, Collins is convinced the outcome would have been different had she been armed.

"I know, having been the first victim, that Brianna Dennison would still be alive, had I been able to defend myself that night."

Collins is believed to be the first victim of an on-campus rape to come out and publicly share her horrific attack in an effort to change the law and keep people safe.

Last month, she testified before Nevada lawmakers in support of [missing from source] , a bill that would allow concealed weapons at the state's public universities. It would abolish the requirement that permit holders get permission from the university president -- a request that is routinely denied. (Amanda was finally allowed to carry her weapon -- after she was attacked).

But others say campus gun-free zones are vital to maintain security and reduce chances of gun related accidents and violence. Reno police oppose the bill, as does an academic group called the Nevada Faculty Alliance. Dr. Gregory Brown, professor of history at UNLV and vice president of the UNLV Faculty Alliance, points to studies that argue more guns on campus translates into more violence at school.

Nevada State Senator Michael Schneider, D-Las Vegas, fears guns in the hands of students will be disastrous.

"They are not trained professionals," Schneider said. "By the time any student could get a gun, when they were attacked by someone else with a gun if they went for their gun, it would be a bad outcome."

But author John Lott, who writes in support of gun rights, argues that at the 70 schools that allow students and faculty with permits to carry guns, "not one has experienced the type of harm predicted by opponents. Not a single permit holder on these campuses has been involved in a firearm accident or crime."

For Collins, the ban defies logic.

"I don't understand why (the state) trusts good, responsible people to be able to have their firearm across the street, and as soon as they cross an arbitrary line, they somehow lose all reason and ability to be able to be competent with that responsibility. It makes no sense to me at all."

Her main argument comes from self protection. "Everyone deserves a chance to defend themselves," she says. "The criminals who are intent on committing a crime don't care about what the rules and regulations are. The only ones that do are the law abiding citizens, and those are the ones who are permitted to carry everywhere else."

Later this month, SB 231 heads to the Senate floor, where Schneider vows to block it.

A dozen other states, including Florida, Idaho, and Texas, are also debating whether to lift gun bans on college campuses. As traumatic as it to relive her attack, Collins says she'll testify wherever and whenever she can to help make that happen.

 

Source.

So basically... sexual assault is the woman's fault until Fox News can use it to promote fuckery. Cool.
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 08:11 pm (UTC)
What about cars and guns?

You know, I'm not going to argue.

Just check the numbers from CDC
Table 18. Number of deaths, death rates, and age-adjusted death rates for injury deaths, by mechanism and intent of death: United States, 2007
http://www.cdc.gov/NCHS/data/nvsr/nvsr58/nvsr58_19.pdf

If you are afraid of guns - it's your personal problem. Maybe you need therapy.
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 08:19 pm (UTC)
And at the same time there were more car related deaths than with firearms. Imagine that.
___closetome 11th-Apr-2011 12:22 am (UTC)
lol what is this thread

Edited at 2011-04-11 12:23 am (UTC)
turkeybeer 12th-Apr-2011 07:44 pm (UTC)
IKR?
beoweasel 10th-Apr-2011 10:07 pm (UTC)
And at the same time there were more car related deaths than with firearms. Imagine that.

Except you can't compare the two? While there are plenty of gun owners in the United States, there are a lot more people who own cars.

And the vast majority of driving related deaths are purely by accident. Mistakes can be made, and sometimes, it can be seriously hazardous, but the central purpose behind a car, is to provide transportation. What's the central purpose behind a gun? To kill people.

If guns are allowed unto campuses, will it provide a deterrent against gun related violence? Its possible, if by sheer virtue of dissuading people from carrying out attacks because a percentage of students might be packing.

HOWEVER, if a shooting is already taking place, then the addition of MORE guns will be detrimental to say the least, if anything, it'll be like throwing gasoline on a fire.
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 10:23 pm (UTC)
And if there is a pile up on a highway...

Again what is the reason to ban guns on campus when you can carry it anywhere else in the state
owl_eyes_4ever 10th-Apr-2011 10:27 pm (UTC)
Last I checked, students aren't allowed to drive their cars all over campus either.

Not that it matters, because the two aren't comparable.
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 10:29 pm (UTC)
Students are allowed to drive cars on campus under the same rules as off campus
____jonas 10th-Apr-2011 10:35 pm (UTC)
Campuses can and do set their own speed limits, so no.
romp 10th-Apr-2011 11:50 pm (UTC)
No.
beoweasel 11th-Apr-2011 01:13 am (UTC)
And if there is a pile up on a highway...

That analogy doesn't work, because 1) major auto-accidents are just that, accidents. 2) Shootings are actions that are deliberately carried out with the intention to kill numerous people.

Again what is the reason to ban guns on campus when you can carry it anywhere else in the state.

Uh, no, no you can't. You can't carry weapons into privately owned businesses, you can't carry them into federally owned buildings either.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 01:19 am (UTC)
we are talking about state colleges in the states that allow carrying guns.
muppetfromhell 10th-Apr-2011 10:39 pm (UTC)
What's the percentage of purposeful deaths caused by cars to purposeful deaths caused by guns?
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 10:56 pm (UTC)
pointless to compare - firearm is just one of the means to kill someone. People in countries where firearm ownership is prohibited still manage to successfully kill each other by other means, including the banned firearms.
___closetome 11th-Apr-2011 12:29 am (UTC)
LOL FOREVER @ YOU HAVING THE BALLS TO SAY "POINTLESS TO COMPARE"

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schmanda 11th-Apr-2011 04:07 am (UTC)
And after introducing cars to the debate in the first place? Ooh Lawd, I can't...
wrestlingdog 11th-Apr-2011 02:29 pm (UTC)
My thought exactly.
muppetfromhell 11th-Apr-2011 01:16 am (UTC)
if it's pointless to compare purposeful deaths by firearms to purposeful deaths by car, then it's pointless to compare total deaths by firearms to total deaths by car.

There are a shit ton of ways to die or be killed. Hands can kill people. However, then your argument should be made about KNIVES or HANDS and not CARS.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 01:28 am (UTC)
It can be pipes cleaner as well. You know how deadly those are. Or idk spilling acid in the face.

Just because something is dangerous or you don't like/afraid of something it doesn't mean it has to be banned.
augustcoyote 11th-Apr-2011 01:19 am (UTC)
The only reason guns exist is to kill people; not only kill, but to kill easily from long ranges and to be more fatal than other weapons. Cars exist to get people from place to place, and car accidents are just that -- accidents.

Guns are only one way to kill people, but they are the most commonly used and the most dangerous. That is why people want to place restrictions on guns and not scissors or cars.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 01:30 am (UTC)
Guns exist to defend yourself from people who want to hurt you. How about that one? And trust me - with every generation of firearms they are getting less fatal. I'd prefer to get shot with 22 over some musket any day.
wrestlingdog 11th-Apr-2011 02:31 pm (UTC)
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT UP CARS IN THE FIRST PLACE. YOU EVEN SAID "WHAT ABOUT CARS AND GUNS?" THAT IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF COMPARING THE TWO.
wrestlingdog 11th-Apr-2011 02:28 pm (UTC)
Oh, God, we had this exact same fight in my Ethics class a couple months back, and it wasn't any less disgusting.

Thank you for fighting the good fight in this post.
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