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Fox News uses rape to promote laws allowing guns on college campuses

12:44 pm - 04/10/2011

Across the country, lawmakers are debating whether universities should let students and faculty with permits carry their concealed weapon on campus. Those who want to put an end to such gun-free zones have found an unlikely hero in a petite, soft spoken, young woman who wonders why colleges protect most Constitutional rights, but not the one that matters most when staring into the face of a violent criminal.

 

Amanda Collins, 25, is a wife and new mom, and a concealed weapon permit holder for years. At her father's law office in Reno, she showed us the 9-mm Glock she carries for her safety.

"It's got a pretty standard magazine," she said, "and night sights so you can see in the dark when you're aiming."

However, Collins couldn't aim her gun at the serial rapist who attacked her at the University of Nevada at Reno, where she was a student. That's because, like most public colleges outside of Utah and Colorado, UNR is a "gun free" zone. The rule required her to leave her gun at home, leaving her defenseless the one time she needed its protection most.

In October of 2007, while walking to her car after a night class, Collins was grabbed from behind in a university parking garage less than 300 yards from a campus police office. The school's "gun-free" designation meant nothing to James Biela, a serial rapist with a gun of his own, who saw Collins as an easy target. "He put a firearm to my temple," she recounted, "clocked off the safety, and told me not to say anything, before he raped me."

The university has since installed more emergency call boxes and lights in the parking structure, but Collins says that won't stop an attacker who knows the campus is a gun-free zone, a policy she believes invites crime, and may have even emboldened the man who raped her.

Just months later, Biela went on to murder 19-year old Brianna Dennison in a case that received widespread national attention. While Biela now sits on death row, Collins is convinced the outcome would have been different had she been armed.

"I know, having been the first victim, that Brianna Dennison would still be alive, had I been able to defend myself that night."

Collins is believed to be the first victim of an on-campus rape to come out and publicly share her horrific attack in an effort to change the law and keep people safe.

Last month, she testified before Nevada lawmakers in support of [missing from source] , a bill that would allow concealed weapons at the state's public universities. It would abolish the requirement that permit holders get permission from the university president -- a request that is routinely denied. (Amanda was finally allowed to carry her weapon -- after she was attacked).

But others say campus gun-free zones are vital to maintain security and reduce chances of gun related accidents and violence. Reno police oppose the bill, as does an academic group called the Nevada Faculty Alliance. Dr. Gregory Brown, professor of history at UNLV and vice president of the UNLV Faculty Alliance, points to studies that argue more guns on campus translates into more violence at school.

Nevada State Senator Michael Schneider, D-Las Vegas, fears guns in the hands of students will be disastrous.

"They are not trained professionals," Schneider said. "By the time any student could get a gun, when they were attacked by someone else with a gun if they went for their gun, it would be a bad outcome."

But author John Lott, who writes in support of gun rights, argues that at the 70 schools that allow students and faculty with permits to carry guns, "not one has experienced the type of harm predicted by opponents. Not a single permit holder on these campuses has been involved in a firearm accident or crime."

For Collins, the ban defies logic.

"I don't understand why (the state) trusts good, responsible people to be able to have their firearm across the street, and as soon as they cross an arbitrary line, they somehow lose all reason and ability to be able to be competent with that responsibility. It makes no sense to me at all."

Her main argument comes from self protection. "Everyone deserves a chance to defend themselves," she says. "The criminals who are intent on committing a crime don't care about what the rules and regulations are. The only ones that do are the law abiding citizens, and those are the ones who are permitted to carry everywhere else."

Later this month, SB 231 heads to the Senate floor, where Schneider vows to block it.

A dozen other states, including Florida, Idaho, and Texas, are also debating whether to lift gun bans on college campuses. As traumatic as it to relive her attack, Collins says she'll testify wherever and whenever she can to help make that happen.

 

Source.

So basically... sexual assault is the woman's fault until Fox News can use it to promote fuckery. Cool.
freebacon 10th-Apr-2011 10:33 pm (UTC)
but wouldn't just allowing guns to be brought onto campus, thereby giving potential rapists easier access to them make it worse?

also it's too bad that most rapists will never spend time in jail, huh?

so much for punishment!
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 10:53 pm (UTC)
"giving potential rapists easier access" - you mean in case they already own the gun which they can carry anywhere else in the state and can easily bring it to campus (I don't believe there are guards and metal detectors at every campus entrance)


Is that because 60% of rapes/sexual assaults are not reported to the police? (!I'm not blaming the victim, I understand how difficult it is)
freebacon 10th-Apr-2011 10:56 pm (UTC)
sometimes that's the case

do you know why it's the case?

i'll give you a hint

it begins with "R" and ends in "-ape Culture"
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 10:58 pm (UTC)
And why would you limit your defense options while you are living in and trying to change the Rape Culture?
freebacon 10th-Apr-2011 11:03 pm (UTC)
how would you condone using a gun on most rapists, which would be people you know like a boyfriend or an acquaintance

do you think they should be shot?
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 11:15 pm (UTC)
Do you think (and it's not a snark, really asking for your opinion) they would still go ahead with it if you pulled a gun on them?

Would you spray them with mace?
freebacon 10th-Apr-2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
they probably would, or try to get it away from them or something

most people LIKE to think that they could handle a situation easier if they had something like a gun but the truth is that they're human beings and therefore might freeze up and panic.

i'd tell them to stop raping me, but hey, it's not like cis-guys have ever listened to me before!
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 02:06 am (UTC)
do you carry any form of defense with you?
freebacon 11th-Apr-2011 02:22 am (UTC)
why should i fucking have to do that?

that's the entire point! i shouldn't have to carry anything on me to protect myself from The Rapists because

1) most rapes are Date Rapes

2) Date rapes happen with people that you know, not people who randomly assault you. so, if a rape were to happen to me, i wouldn't be able to defend myself anyway because who in their right mind would bring a gun with them on a date?

the rape that happened with me was with someone i kinda knew and he forced me into sex. guns wouldn't have solved a goddamned thing
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 02:29 am (UTC)
why? because we don't live in la-la land and never have lived there.

And I asked about mace, not a gun
freebacon 11th-Apr-2011 03:03 am (UTC)
no mace either. i used to live on a farm, and then a small town so no, i've never needed mace

the onus to defend myself also doesn't have to be on me, since it would be much easier to teach people that rape, coercion, and sexual assault is not okay!

shocking i know.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 03:07 am (UTC)
words You Shall Not Kill were etched on stone good three thousand years ago - still doesn't help.
freebacon 11th-Apr-2011 03:19 am (UTC)
murder isn't the result of women being viewed as sex objects who exist solely for men, please try again, maybe you can try to condescend to me harder while you're at it.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 03:29 am (UTC)
I'm not condescending. I don't understand how you can talk about some theoretical future when we live here and now and still can't follow at least 7 simple rules everyone believe to be the basis of morale for the last three thousand years.

freebacon 10th-Apr-2011 11:03 pm (UTC)
and what about people who are drugged and can't fight back before being raped?

guns would be pretty useless then!
merig00 10th-Apr-2011 11:16 pm (UTC)
and i've never argued that guns are panacea from everything and everyone. It's just one option
freebacon 10th-Apr-2011 11:25 pm (UTC)
but

most rapes happen because of date rape

you're arguing that guns should be allowed to prevent rape

when they wouldn't prevent rape at all actually!
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 12:07 am (UTC)
No I am arguing that guns should be allowed period. And I don't think how one can argue against having this option of defense if they believe it will help them.
roseofjuly 12th-Apr-2011 03:03 am (UTC)
The problem is, belief =/= reality. There's a pretty high potential that a gun (especially in the hands of an unskilled or underskilled person) can be taken away from a victim and used against them, or accidentally discharged and hurt someone not involved. There's also the fact that not everyone who will carry on campus will be some altruistic person just looking to defend themselves.
merig00 12th-Apr-2011 03:09 am (UTC)
The problem is you want to pick and chose what an adult person can decide for themselves and what they can't. The rest of the argument - stems from this.

Also the fact is that right now nothing prevents a person with malicious intent to bring a gun to a college campus. Notice that in this article we are discussing a state that allows carrying weapon everywhere else - malls, restaurants, movie theaters, pubs.
roseofjuly 12th-Apr-2011 04:54 am (UTC)
The problem is you want to pick and chose what an adult person can decide for themselves and what they can't.

Yes, we do this all the time as a society. We have decided, for example, that adult people cannot decide to yell "fire" in a crowded theater to amuse themselves, and that they cannot smoke marijuana to feel good, and that they cannot drive while drunk because of the inherent risk they pose to others. I am perfectly okay with society making rules to prevent adult people from doing certain things, because adults don't always make good and rational choices.

Also the fact is that right now nothing prevents a person with malicious intent to bring a gun to a college campus.

You yourself said that punishment is a deterrent, and so the fear of getting punished by a law's consequences is a deterrent from people carrying heat illegally onto campus. So that fear of getting punished is something that's preventing some people with malicious intent from carrying a weapon on campus - although of course, there will always be some with malicious intent who will ignore the laws and carry anyway. The difference is, now we can prosecute them from doing so, whereas if they change the law we can't.

I also want to know what concrete benefit you think people will derive from being able to carry on campus. And I'm not talking about this young woman's claims that she could've defended herself. Given the situation (she was ambushed from behind with a gun quickly pressed to her temple), I think that's quite unlikely. You also have not addressed any of the statements that with an underskilled handler, a gun can easily be wrested from the victim's possession and into the attacker's. Studies with police officers have shown that even they aren't quick enough to draw and fire guns if a perpetrator has less than 20 feet to cross to get to you, and they have intense training, both physically and psychologically. What reason do we have to believe that a bunch of armed college kids with minimal training will be able to draw, aim, and fire accurately at attackers to defend themselves on campus in a matter of seconds, and that the chance of this happening is greater than the chance of them accidentally shooting someone innocent or themselves or the chance that someone will exploit the concealed carry law to perpetrate violence on campus?
freebacon 10th-Apr-2011 11:00 pm (UTC)
oh also?

sometimes it's reported and the rapist gets away scot free because of things like

-the clothes the victim was wearing

-were they drunk?

-if they had a means of defending themselves (like knowing martial arts OR CARRYING A WEAPON SUCH AS A GUN) because if they could defend themselves that easily, the rape must not have been that big of a deal

and other such means that are a product of

RAPE CULTURE
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