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Fox News uses rape to promote laws allowing guns on college campuses

12:44 pm - 04/10/2011

Across the country, lawmakers are debating whether universities should let students and faculty with permits carry their concealed weapon on campus. Those who want to put an end to such gun-free zones have found an unlikely hero in a petite, soft spoken, young woman who wonders why colleges protect most Constitutional rights, but not the one that matters most when staring into the face of a violent criminal.

 

Amanda Collins, 25, is a wife and new mom, and a concealed weapon permit holder for years. At her father's law office in Reno, she showed us the 9-mm Glock she carries for her safety.

"It's got a pretty standard magazine," she said, "and night sights so you can see in the dark when you're aiming."

However, Collins couldn't aim her gun at the serial rapist who attacked her at the University of Nevada at Reno, where she was a student. That's because, like most public colleges outside of Utah and Colorado, UNR is a "gun free" zone. The rule required her to leave her gun at home, leaving her defenseless the one time she needed its protection most.

In October of 2007, while walking to her car after a night class, Collins was grabbed from behind in a university parking garage less than 300 yards from a campus police office. The school's "gun-free" designation meant nothing to James Biela, a serial rapist with a gun of his own, who saw Collins as an easy target. "He put a firearm to my temple," she recounted, "clocked off the safety, and told me not to say anything, before he raped me."

The university has since installed more emergency call boxes and lights in the parking structure, but Collins says that won't stop an attacker who knows the campus is a gun-free zone, a policy she believes invites crime, and may have even emboldened the man who raped her.

Just months later, Biela went on to murder 19-year old Brianna Dennison in a case that received widespread national attention. While Biela now sits on death row, Collins is convinced the outcome would have been different had she been armed.

"I know, having been the first victim, that Brianna Dennison would still be alive, had I been able to defend myself that night."

Collins is believed to be the first victim of an on-campus rape to come out and publicly share her horrific attack in an effort to change the law and keep people safe.

Last month, she testified before Nevada lawmakers in support of [missing from source] , a bill that would allow concealed weapons at the state's public universities. It would abolish the requirement that permit holders get permission from the university president -- a request that is routinely denied. (Amanda was finally allowed to carry her weapon -- after she was attacked).

But others say campus gun-free zones are vital to maintain security and reduce chances of gun related accidents and violence. Reno police oppose the bill, as does an academic group called the Nevada Faculty Alliance. Dr. Gregory Brown, professor of history at UNLV and vice president of the UNLV Faculty Alliance, points to studies that argue more guns on campus translates into more violence at school.

Nevada State Senator Michael Schneider, D-Las Vegas, fears guns in the hands of students will be disastrous.

"They are not trained professionals," Schneider said. "By the time any student could get a gun, when they were attacked by someone else with a gun if they went for their gun, it would be a bad outcome."

But author John Lott, who writes in support of gun rights, argues that at the 70 schools that allow students and faculty with permits to carry guns, "not one has experienced the type of harm predicted by opponents. Not a single permit holder on these campuses has been involved in a firearm accident or crime."

For Collins, the ban defies logic.

"I don't understand why (the state) trusts good, responsible people to be able to have their firearm across the street, and as soon as they cross an arbitrary line, they somehow lose all reason and ability to be able to be competent with that responsibility. It makes no sense to me at all."

Her main argument comes from self protection. "Everyone deserves a chance to defend themselves," she says. "The criminals who are intent on committing a crime don't care about what the rules and regulations are. The only ones that do are the law abiding citizens, and those are the ones who are permitted to carry everywhere else."

Later this month, SB 231 heads to the Senate floor, where Schneider vows to block it.

A dozen other states, including Florida, Idaho, and Texas, are also debating whether to lift gun bans on college campuses. As traumatic as it to relive her attack, Collins says she'll testify wherever and whenever she can to help make that happen.

 

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So basically... sexual assault is the woman's fault until Fox News can use it to promote fuckery. Cool.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 12:40 am (UTC)
anyone? no qualifiers?
pseudovirus 11th-Apr-2011 12:43 am (UTC)
self-defense? sure. a solider during wartime? sure. nothing is black and white. someone tried and convicted of murder-- yes, i'm afraid of them. if a man points a gun at me, yes, i'm afraid of him and the gun. i'd be less afraid of a man attacking me if he did not have a gun.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 12:44 am (UTC)
What about a random person passing by you with a gun? What if you saw dozen of people every day just going on their business and had guns on them?
pseudovirus 11th-Apr-2011 01:43 am (UTC)
aren't they supposed to be concealed?

and yes, i would. being a woman, you have to be on alert basically all of the time. i live in flint, michigan-- a city a very high rate of violent crime. every day i hear a story about people my age, people my mom's age, etc being shot, eaten, raped-- and most of these are random, violent crimes. in places that should be safe--grocery store parking lots, mall parking lots, etc. as a woman, you have to constantly be on alert and looking over your shoulder. so yeah, i'm afraid of guns, and the people who carry them.

there's a valid reason why people are anti-gun. i'm aware that many people, my father included, feel like it's necessary to keep a gun in the house to protect their families. i'm not against that, as long as the gun owner has proper training. but it highly unneccesary to carry one with you at all time, unless you have a hit out against you? idg why people feel the need to carry guns all the time. and it's uauly men. trying to make up for something else with a phallic weapon? does it make you feel like more of a good ole american man to carry a gun? does it make you fel like a MAN? that's what i get from 99% of the pro-gun people i talk to.

when the congresswoman was shot in january, there was a person on the scene who also had a gun. he was too afraid to pull it out and use it ecause of the chaos that was going on. what if he shot the wrong people? what if people thought he was a co-conspirator?

i am not anti-gun, i know they are necessary in certain aspects of our society. but as a college student, i would have to leave my school if our campus suddenly allowed guns. i do not feel safe around people who feel the need to carry around guns, period.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 02:03 am (UTC)
open or conceal or carry at all permits - depends on the state.

I have no problems with guns, maybe because I visit Israel enough to not be disturbed by 18 year olds walking around on their business everywhere with automatic rifles on them. But guns don't bother me one bit.
pseudovirus 11th-Apr-2011 12:44 am (UTC)
you're you're a man, you're never going to have a man 100+ lbs heavier at you, forcing you down with a gun to your temple while he violates you in the worst way possible.

i wouldn't expect you, or any man, to ever understand.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 12:47 am (UTC)
I'm not claiming I understand rape, though I've been mugged, and actually shot at simply because of my nationality.

In this particular case - this woman claims she would be able to protect herself, and I don't see why we shouldn't let her.
pseudovirus 11th-Apr-2011 01:46 am (UTC)
i'm sorry that happened to you. and i know a lot of people feel that way ecause of things that happened to them. my mom feels similar. ut when you were mugged-- would you have been even ale to use your gun to protect yourself? did they have guns? they could've thrown you to the grown and taken your gun from you to use it against you.

i know there's no perfect solution to any of this, and i absolutely do not want guns to be outlawed completely. concealed weapons make me uneasy, and imo they shouldn't e on campuses. it's supposed to e a safe environment, and there's enough stress on college students in general. i mean, would you approve of primary schools allowing guns on campus? :/
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 01:54 am (UTC)
I was under age and in another country - so no guns.

My personal view on guns - should be just with cars. Pretty much everyone should be able to get them (some exceptions like mentally unstable people, criminals, etc - limitations that we have in most states now). And mandatory training - test. I'm sure even NRA would be more that for that. I don't see a point in conceal weapon - should be visible.
pseudovirus 11th-Apr-2011 02:07 am (UTC)
yeah, at least with concealed weapons you don't know they have a gun so you don't have to worry. i know that everyone who carries a gun isn't a criminal, but plenty are, or have the potential to become a criminal or they could misuse it or a million other scenarios. i know cars are dangerous, my aunt died when was only 17 years old in a car accident, before she even had a chance to really live. it's just.. most car accidents aren't caused on purpose. most shootings are. i understand your side for accidental shootings vs. car accidents, but you have to admit that cars are more necessary to daily life in america than guns. cars are essential unless you live in a metropolitan area, whereas guns are not.

i'd be a lot more pro-gun if there were more extensive background checks. mental health screenings. mandatory gun-safety classes, and refresher courses every 5-10 years. and i just don't think they should be allowed on schools. they're supposed to be a safe environment for learning. guns will never be allowed on K-12 campuses (or at least i pray to god not), and idt they should be allowed on college campuses either. people can fly off the handle and go on a shooting spree. that obviously isn't everyone, but i'm sure it's higher than the amount of people who go out driving specifically to mow people down.

i guess i'm just trying to say that there is a valid reason for people to be afraid guns. that fear doesn't mandate counseling, i don't think about it every day, it doesn't paralyze me with fear. but if i see a gun, my heart beats a little faster because it's just an unpredictable situation. i don't know a stranger with a gun. how am i supposed to know what they intend to do with it?

i think the biggest thing that scares me about guns is that my mom was robbed at gunpoint in detroit when she was in her 20s. she didn't know how to use a gun. and i can't imagine feeling more defenseless than having a gun pointed at your temple. guns just aren't as scary as cars.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 02:12 am (UTC)
Well it comes down to your inconvenience (we are not talking about mortal phobia here) vs my individual right. As long as I don't pull out a gun on you - you don't have a legal say.

At the same time I'm all for screening (though in a timely manner, not when it takes 3 month) and training. As I said -same system as we have with driver licenses.
pseudovirus 11th-Apr-2011 02:31 am (UTC)
but don't i have the right to feel safe, within reason, when i go out in public?

i'd rather it be done in 3 months than them half-assing it, you know? guns can be beneficial but strong background checks are very necessary. it would make people like me feel safer about people carrying weapons.
merig00 11th-Apr-2011 02:48 am (UTC)
define within reason... during ww2 we were scared of Japanese within reason, and reasoned that for us to feel safe we should lock them away.

I prefer them half-assing it from time to time but not limiting timely access. In the la-la land I would totally go all libertarian/constitutionalist on it.
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