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Justice, Liberty and the Right to Drink Raw Milk

7:28 pm - 06/18/2011
Ron Paul Wants to Make the Sale of Raw Milk Legal

Do you drink raw milk? Unless you milk your own cow, the answer is probably no since the sale of raw milk is illegal in about half of the United States.

Consumption of raw milk is legal in all 50 states, but current federal regulation prohibits interstate commerce of raw milk and raw milk products for human consumption.

Ron Paul would like to change that law.

U.S. Congressman Ron Paul has introduced H.R. 778 which would “authorize the interstate traffic of unpasteurized milk and milk products that are packaged for direct human consumption.” According to the Organic Consumers Association:

The bill would not force a state to legalize the sale of raw milk from local producers, nor would it force a state to allow the sale of raw milk from out-of-state producers in its retail stores. The bill would, however, enable consumers to enter into transactions to obtain raw milk and raw milk products from other states without the transactions being in violation of federal law.

The current regulation banning raw milk sales 21 CFR 1240.61 states:

…no person shall cause to be delivered into interstate commerce or shall sell, otherwise distribute, or hold for sale or other distribution after shipment in interstate commerce any milk or milk product in final package form for direct human consumption unless the product has been pasteurized….

The only legal milk to be sold across state lines is pasteurized. Pasteurization kills disease causing germs and prevents souring by keeping milk at a temperature of 145 degrees F for at least half an hour, then reducing the temperature to no more than 55 degrees F. According to “Raw Milk Vs. Pasteurized Milk” published in a British Medical Journal in 1938:

It is undoubtedly beneficial to destroy dangerous germs, but pasteurization does more than this-it kills off harmless and useful germs alike, and by subjecting the milk to high temperatures, destroys some nutritious constituents…But, after pasteurization, the lactic acid bacilli are killed. The milk, in consequence, cannot become sour and quickly decomposes, while undesirable germs multiply very quickly… Besides destroying part of the vitamin C contained in raw milk and encouraging growth of harmful bacteria, pasteurization turns the sugar of milk, known as lactose, into beta-lactose — which is far more soluble and therefore more rapidly absorbed in the system, with the result that the child soon becomes hungry again.

Probably pasteurization’s worst offence is that it makes insoluable the major part of the calcium contained in raw milk. This frequently leads to rickets, bad teeth, and nervous troubles, for sufficient calcium content is vital to children; and with the loss of phosphorus also associated with calcium, bone and breain formation suffer serious setbacks.

Pasteurization also destroys 20 percent of the iodine present in raw milk, causes constipation and generally takes from the milk its most vital qualities.

Of course, there are critics that suggest raw milk is not beneficial and milk borne illnesses are on the rise. Ron Paul’s response:

My office has heard from numerous people who would like to obtain unpasteurized milk. Many of these people have done their own research and come to the conclusion that unpasteurized milk is healthier than pasteurized milk.

Americans have the right to consume these products without having the Federal Government second-guess their judgment about what products best promote health. If there are legitimate concerns about the safety of unpasteurized milk, those concerns should be addressed at the state and local level.

H.R. 778 has been referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. You can read the full text of the legislation that would allow the interstate commerce of raw milk. Personally, I would not want to buy raw dairy products from an out of state farmer because of transportation costs and concerns about freshness. Whether you believe raw milk is healthier or not, at the heart of the issue is US constitutional law that allows Congress to regulate interstate traffic (Art. I, section 8, Clause 1), but such commerce should not be impeded. Do we really need to regulate the sale of raw milk across state borders when consumers can seek it out locally?

 

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marywebgirl 19th-Jun-2011 12:37 am (UTC)
mte.
granting 18th-Jun-2011 11:43 pm (UTC)
It looks like you pasted this twice in the post.

The article is also rather biased, but that's not terribly shocking in and of itself.
sephystabbity 19th-Jun-2011 03:38 am (UTC)
Fixed, sorry about that!
beshwa 18th-Jun-2011 11:44 pm (UTC)
Oh, vom.

Then again, I don't even drink pasteurized milk, so...
tmlforsyth 18th-Jun-2011 11:51 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't drink raw milk, but if someone else wants to, that's on them. What is the cost or benefit to lifting such a restriction? Not overly relevant, but principled.
baked_goldfish 19th-Jun-2011 12:02 am (UTC)
What is the cost or benefit to lifting such a restriction?

It's not always good for you.

I like the taste of it, and it's hard to come by for me so a part of me would like for it to be easier to buy, but there are a lot of people who love it who ignore or downplay the fact that unpasteurized means it's riskier than what you get at the grocery store.

Edited at 2011-06-19 12:03 am (UTC)
baked_goldfish 18th-Jun-2011 11:53 pm (UTC)
I like the taste and mouthfeel of raw milk, but the current legislation seems fine to me. There are legitimate health concerns regarding raw milk and raw milk products, it should be regulated.
sesmo 19th-Jun-2011 03:38 am (UTC)
I wouldn't buy raw milk from a factory farm, that's for sure.

But a lot of states severely restrict raw milk sales. You can't buy it at the local farmer's markets here, unless you've met the farmer in person (at his farm, in other words). No walk-up customers allowed.
sitakhet 18th-Jun-2011 11:54 pm (UTC)
JOBS!!!!
the_gabih 19th-Jun-2011 09:32 pm (UTC)
Seriously.

It's starting to seem like they're taking any excuse they can get not to work on that part of their promises.
rauduskoivu 18th-Jun-2011 11:59 pm (UTC)
Milk is just fucking gross, k.
hallwayjulie 19th-Jun-2011 12:02 am (UTC)
LOL, right??
lastrega 19th-Jun-2011 04:34 am (UTC)
MTE. I miss icecream.
fishphile 19th-Jun-2011 12:21 am (UTC)
Almond milk fan.

I guess if people understand the risk then okay?
baked_goldfish 19th-Jun-2011 12:29 am (UTC)
The problem I see is that a lot of raw milk enthusiasts can be exceptionally bad about admitting that raw milk has risks in the first place.
poetic_pixie_13 19th-Jun-2011 12:25 am (UTC)
I, like most brown people, think that milk is amazing and fabulous and glorious. There's a reason Hindus don't eat cow. If I were to ever become lactose intolerant I would be so incredibly sad. ;_;
escherichiacola 19th-Jun-2011 12:54 am (UTC)
For me milk is just like alcohol. I know I'll drink more than I should and end up not feeling well afterward but I do it anyway.
free_spoons 19th-Jun-2011 12:30 am (UTC)
More importantly, how will this law affect my cheese consumption?
valencianbelle 19th-Jun-2011 12:34 am (UTC)
This is more important. I agree.
valencianbelle 19th-Jun-2011 12:33 am (UTC)
Raw milk is so delicious.... milk from the store tastes like water compared to it.
sasha_davidovna 19th-Jun-2011 12:37 am (UTC)
I'm not a big milk fan in general, but I think the fact that it's illegal to sell raw milk in so many places is ridiculous. Making direct farm-to-consumer sales illegal is really, really ridiculous, but I think it should be available in regular grocery stores too, as long as it's clearly labeled with a warning sticker or something to explain the risk.
silmaril 19th-Jun-2011 05:22 am (UTC)
as long as it's clearly labeled with a warning sticker or something to explain the risk.

And that right there is my worry about this: OK, so now you're selling raw milk from Wisconsin all the way in New Jersey, and there's no clear warning because there is no regulation, and there is no regulation because OMG Small Government Regulation EVUL Small Business Can't Keep Up With All Them Regulations.

Seeing as how this is 2011, I should not have the vague feeling that I have to go look up the laws that clearly state milk branded "Pasteurized" should have really been pasteurized, or the manufacturer/distributor/store will be responsible for my unknowing demise from salmonella or botulism or what have you.
rex_dart Mod note.19th-Jun-2011 12:38 am (UTC)
Please place everything after the first couple of paragraphs under a cut.
sephystabbity Re: Mod note.19th-Jun-2011 03:38 am (UTC)
Done, sorry bout that!
escherichiacola 19th-Jun-2011 12:44 am (UTC)
Takes me back to being a kid when most of my diet consisted of soft-boiled unpasteurized eggs and milk so fresh it was still warm.

But other than nostalgia I think it's absurd you can't even buy raw milk from farmers and the government holds sting operations like you're acquiring ICBMs. So yeah I agree with Ron Paul but I feel dirty doing so.
chernobylred 19th-Jun-2011 01:21 pm (UTC)
I agree with Ron Paul but I feel dirty doing so.

*fistbump*
mattay 19th-Jun-2011 12:47 am (UTC)
This is bringing back memories of that milk post on the mothership which was a crazy/awesome time in my internet life.
bludstone I think some context might be in order here.19th-Jun-2011 12:55 am (UTC)
Here is video of a guns-drawn raid on a farm that sells raw milk.

tmlforsyth Re: I think some context might be in order here.19th-Jun-2011 02:07 am (UTC)
Tax dollars at work.

We'll hunt down those raw milk sellers wherever they hide!!
firerosearien 19th-Jun-2011 01:09 am (UTC)
Haven't had milk or any dairy product since 2006. I cry when I think about how much I miss it.
cpip 19th-Jun-2011 01:32 am (UTC)
Can't say I'd ever want it, but as long as farmers who sell it are held suitably liable if someone does get sick from the stuff, I can't say I've an overwhelming objection to this.
sweetthea 19th-Jun-2011 03:39 am (UTC)
I had raw milk on accident in mexico about 10 years ago, it gave me the worst food poisoning ever and dehydrated me so badly that I had to have an IV put into my arm. I lost 4lbs in one day, it was BAD.

Now, I will never ever drink raw milk again, but I don't see why people who can can't.
goggle_kid 19th-Jun-2011 03:48 am (UTC)
I'm glad to see Ron Paul coming out in support of Salmonella. Salmonella is good for the economy. A drink of salmonella tainted milk is a taste of freedom. A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for salmonella, E. coli O157, Listeria monocytogenes, Brucella, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, and all of the free market pathogens who have been crippled by big government.
romp 19th-Jun-2011 04:51 am (UTC)
Couldn't you say that about eating beef tho' too? The E. coli, the BSE,...

Not that I want to agree with Ron Paul. :(
bemused_leftist 19th-Jun-2011 04:11 am (UTC)
Good for Ron Paul. Processing the milk takes several days, so by the time it gets out of the factory it's half spoiled already (plus the chemicals in it). Raw milk keeps longer after you get it, as well as being more healthy.
goggle_kid 19th-Jun-2011 06:17 am (UTC)
If having to buy milk more frequently is the price I have to pay for not running the risk of contracting listeria, so be it.

It astounds me in 2011 there are people who subscribe to such nonsense.
blunder_buss 19th-Jun-2011 04:22 am (UTC)
Yeah huh. And if people got sick from drinking raw milk and didn't have healthcare, does this mean that the government will pay for -- oh wait no, of course not. Guess you're fucked then!
sarien Lactose Intolerant Thread19th-Jun-2011 04:26 am (UTC)
It's ok, I like rice milk better anyway. You guys can keep your awesomely creamy and silky beverage. :(
wrestlingdog Re: Lactose Intolerant Thread19th-Jun-2011 04:57 am (UTC)
I really only have problems with ice cream, which is the worst. D:
lastrega 19th-Jun-2011 04:36 am (UTC)
Whenever I read something like people "did their own research" I just assume they looked at a bunch of articles on the internet and picked the ones that said stuff they agreed with.

THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE AND IT IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT RESEARCH.
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