Herman Cain's 999 plan will create jobs by establishing a new "used food" industry!
10:49 am - 10/16/2011
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain acknowledged on Sunday his "9-9-9" tax reform plan would raise taxes on some Americans but denied criticism it would help the rich while hurting the poor.
"Some people will pay more. But most people will pay less," Cain, a former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza who has never held elected office, said on NBC's "Meet the Press" program.
The acknowledgment of higher taxes could give ammunition to a growing number of Cain critics, including anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist, who oppose his plan.
Cain entered the presidential race as a long shot but has recently shown signs of front-runner status with backing from fiscally conservative Tea Party activists who believe his plan would lead to lower federal taxes.
The 9-9-9 plan would replace the complex U.S. tax code with a 9 percent income tax, a 9 percent corporate tax and a new 9 percent national sales tax.
"Who would pay more? The people who spend more money on new goods. The sales tax only applies to people who buy new goods, not used goods. That's a big difference," Cain told NBC.
Cain placed first in an NBC-Wall Street Journal poll among Republican candidates and second in a Reuters Ipsos poll but his fundraising totals in the third quarter were far behind the leading contenders -- former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney and Texas Governor Rick Perry.
President Barack Obama, a Democrat, faces a rough fight for re-election in November 2012 but his Republican rivals must convince voters they have a better plan to create jobs and get the economy moving again.
Despite its popularity in some quarters, Cain's 9-9-9 plan is under fire from across the political spectrum and independent analysts who say it would raise taxes on the poor and middle class.
Norquist said in a recent interview with Reuters Insider he worries that all three taxes in Cain's plan could be raised in future.
The Wall Street Journal warned a national sales tax -- a fixture of many western economies -- could raise taxes on goods in some areas to 17 percent or more when combined with state and local levies.
"If you add them together, yes, you'd get that number," Cain said.
But he dismissed the idea of considering state taxes alongside the 9-9-9 plan as "muddying the water" because federal taxes would go down in most cases.
He said the plan's elimination of "invisible" taxes now paid by manufacturers under the current system would lead to lower retail prices.
"In reality, those taxes go away, so the prices of goods don't go up," Cain said. "They actually go down based upon competition. Competition drives prices down."
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ETA: magical vanishing tags
Also,
So ... on TOP OF my state sales tax ...
milk
bread
meats
vegetables (PLEASE no one say "just start a garden!")
spaghetti noodles
spaghetti sauce
diapers
wipes
formula
ramen
(*this list is not all-inclusive, it's the first things that came to mind when I was REALLY scraping by)
Oh, no big deal. it's totally cool that everything on this list will become more expensive. After all, I was just paying for diapers & wipes with spare change for FUN, not because i was fucking BROKE AS SHIT.
But hey, flat taxes are FAIR! Flat tax! Free market! Wooo! If you don't like them and think they'll disproportionately punish the poor, you're just stupid!
Edited at 2011-10-16 04:12 pm (UTC)
There's a person I'm friends with on facebook who I genuinely enjoy the company of and I only get to see him a couple times a year at seminars, but holy shit he thinks Herman Cain is a viable candidate, and he's a Teabagger, and he genuinely believes in the whole "job creators" bullshit, and I want to keep liking him, but his posts make me want to rage-spaz at him.
WHAT DO
2) The next time he mentions Cain, say "I heard what he said about 999 and I'm a little concerned about what this 999 thing would mean for average taxpayers" and THEN show him this article.
Suddenly we need the "eat the rich" tag for this post.
You bet.
New food:
Used food:
So, with many states broke and slashing needed jobs and programs, we're going to collect less taxes? And we'll make up the difference by selling even more bonds to China, right?
Of course, that still leaves all the OTHER giant problems -- percentage of income spent on 'necessary' goods being higher among the poor and middle class, for instance, or the simple fact that simple one-size-fits-all plans never fit anyone, or the laughable idea that Cain's worried about 'invisible' taxes paid by big business (aren't they invisible because they're not there? just checkin)... but if we want people to realize how idiotic the thing is, it's probably best not to go the *extra* fear-mongering route. There's enough there to be legitimately pissed with as is.
Edit: Yes, I know it's satire. Just on the nose.
Edited at 2011-10-17 10:07 pm (UTC)
If they lowered the "official" tax rates and got rid of the loopholes, corporations would have to pay more AND they coudn't complain about the US's tax-rates-on-paper (which right now mean nothing after loopholes) AND you wouldn't have companies like Chevron paying zero and just sitting there while a few scattered un-bought-out people wonder WHY THE HELL HAVE YOU PAID ZERO!?!?
Loopholes benefit all the ppl who hire teams of accountants and punish those of us who just download random tax freeware on google. Loopholes are hard for any politician to publicly defend. They'd try, but they'd be gritting their teeth the whole time.
But of course it took 3 years and an army of focus groups for Obama to just figure out that a "millionaire tax" is an easy thing to sell. Whatever.
Either that or a stunning lack of understanding when it comes to math and economics and stuff.
The way the airlines lowered their ticket prices in August during their tax holiday?
Delish.
hm.
legit can't believe this douche is the frontrunner in the race for the nod. smdh.
this is actually making me research. i do like the french scheme, where bread is never taxed and things to MAKE bread have reduced VAT. the french sometimes know what they're doing ;)
and not even in the regular scary way, in the, my chest gets tight, I'm terrified for the future, packing my bags, ready to move to central europe kind of way.