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I am a baby boomer. Like many people my age, I have a high-paying and generally pleasant job, which features excellent benefits and a flexible work schedule. I’m also one of those people who, not long ago, would have dismissed the Occupy Wall Street protesters as just another bunch of spoiled kids, indulging in political street theater, while lacking any serious and constructive agenda. (Those people seem to include almost all of the mainstream media, which until a few days ago limited their coverage of the protesters to mocking their clothes and music. Predictably, time has transformed many boomers into their own parents.)

I am, in other words, part of what could be called the Clueless Generation. The Clueless Generation is made up of middle-aged, professionally successful people, who grew up in a nation that featured a mostly thriving economy, low-cost higher education, and some minimal commitment to economic justice. As a consequence, we graduated from school with little or no debt, got good jobs that featured real possibilities for advancement, and have on the whole ended up doing very well for ourselves.

A lot of us have also become insufferably smug and complacent. Over the past year I was lucky enough to be jolted out of my own smugness and complacency by a series of painful encounters with recent law-school graduates. I began to investigate the question of how many law graduates were getting jobs as lawyers, and discovered that a shocking percentage—more than half—were not.

Since I went to law school in the 1980s, the cost of legal education has quadrupled in real terms, thereby ensuring most current law students will graduate with six figures of debt from law school alone. Meanwhile legal employers are downsizing and outsourcing, to the point where the ratio between new lawyers and new jobs for lawyers is approximately two to one. And most of the new jobs don’t pay enough to allow even those who are lucky enough to get them to pay their educational debts.

My attempts to bring this economic and human crisis to the attention of the law-school world have been met mostly with denial and incomprehension. It seems the Clueless Generation is largely incapable of grasping that this is no ordinary downturn in the business cycle, but rather that America is no longer the same country in which we were so fortunate to come of age.

For the still largely unacknowledged crisis in legal education merely mirrors the vastly larger crisis in our society as a whole. Millions of young adults are graduating from college and professional schools with massive amounts of educational debt—debt that, thanks to sweetheart legislative deals that lined the pockets of bankers, cannot be discharged in bankruptcy. In just the past decade, total outstanding educational debt in America has risen more than five-fold, from $180 billion to nearly $1 trillion. Meanwhile, the international crisis of global capitalism has led employers large and small to do everything possible to cut labor costs. This has produced the current 15 percent official unemployment rate among Americans in their 20s. (The real unemployment rate is far higher, since the government counts people as unemployed only if they did zero hours of paid work in the past week and have been actively seeking employment at some point in the last four weeks.)


What the Clueless Generation finds difficult to comprehend is that literally millions of highly educated and hardworking young Americans—people who followed all the rules and did everything we told them to do—are either severely underemployed or have no jobs of any kind. Meanwhile, they struggle with the massive educational debts they incurred after the baby boomers decided that access to the bargain-priced higher education from which we benefited wasn’t so important after all.


Now, as the protests spread across the country, the core of the Occupy Wall Street movement—young, overeducated, and underemployed—is beginning to find common cause with many other people disillusioned with a social system that continues to grant its privileged elite ever-greater rewards. The compelling images (http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/) from what the movement calls “the 99 percent” paint a portrait of our new Gilded Age that we ignore at our peril.

America’s first Gilded Age in the late 19th century led eventually to mass protests and nationwide strikes (http://politics.salon.com/2011/10/08/occupy_wall_street_a_historical_perspective/) , which played a key role in the development of both progressive politics and the modern labor movement. The widespread labor insurgency of the mid-1930s pushed FDR to adopt the most important and long-lasting features of the New Deal. And the civil-rights and antiwar mass mobilizations of the 1960s helped overcome some of the great injustices of that era.

It seems that at this moment we in the Clueless Generation could use a reminder that the 1960s were about something more than sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

Source - Paul Campos

Interesting to me mostly, because I work with a lot of baby boomers and their general knee jerk reaction to this whole movement is eye rolling. I think the reaction of many of the media outlets, many of which have middle aged newscasters, speaks for itself and reflects this quite a bit.
roguebelle 18th-Oct-2011 01:09 am (UTC)
My sister and I (both Millennials, I among the eldest of us, she pretty much dead-center) had basically this conversation with my mother the other night. She's generally quite socially liberal but quite fiscally conservative, and she was definitely rolling her eyes at OWS. We had to explain, very rationally, how our generation feels like the rug has been pulled out from under us and (to mix my metaphors) like we're left chasing a series of constantly moving goalposts. I think we actually made some headway with her, which felt nice.
hammersxstrings 18th-Oct-2011 02:25 am (UTC)
I think we actually made some headway with her, which felt nice.

This is pretty much why i submitted it. My dad is already on the side of OWS but my mom, who to be fair, works for a bank, feels like these people are just whining. idk, i would hope that stuff like this may highlight why there is a disconnect between the two generations, and now that we know where the misunderstandings are, we could address them adequately. i never even read this and thought, oh, we're attacking baby boomers *shrug*
ellenel13 18th-Oct-2011 01:31 am (UTC)
lol baby boomers I ain't even mad anymore

The US economy is collapsing and many of you fuckers will get the shit end of the deal just like young people are very soon

I'd be lying if I said I was feeling too bad about it
sesmo 18th-Oct-2011 02:53 am (UTC)
Start feeling bad, because many of those boomers are supporting their millennial children.

Gen X is in the same boat (supporting children, and often elderly parents). You'd better hope that we're not also flushed down the economic toilet, otherwise everyone will be on the street.
grace_om 18th-Oct-2011 01:55 am (UTC)
Fuck this article and its generalizations. I'm a boomer with a middle class job and some economic security, and very well aware of how ephemeral that is. I also have children in college and I see how hard they and their fellow students have it. Yes, much harder than we did in the 1970s. The future prospects for the upcoming generation are being destroyed. It sucks and I totally get the OWS protests -- as do any number of other boomers I know.

Whipping up hate and stereotypes between generations is worse than useless. I thought the point of this movement was to bring the attention where it belongs: squarely on the inaction of our government and the corporations that own them.
poddleduck 18th-Oct-2011 02:46 am (UTC)
I (a Millennial) grew up hearing from Boomers how pathetic my own generation is compared to our awesometastic parents, a claim which grows gallows hilarious in light of the fact that the same government and corporations that have driven the U.S. into this ditch are dominated by, you know, Boomers.

Your personal awareness of the shitty situation Millennials have found themselves in =/= a general awareness amongst members of your age group.
homasse 18th-Oct-2011 02:08 am (UTC)
I'm not gonna lie, I am seriously glad the OWS movement seems to be really settling itself in for the long haul - when it first started, I figured it'd be a one-day thing, not that it'd be celebrating its one month anniversary and still picking up steam. I had kinda figured Americans had grown too complacent to actually get out and protest any more.

I don't know what it's going to do - the cynical part in me can't see how this will change anything, since the politicians still know what side their bread is buttered on, and the only way to change that is election campaign reform, and like any of them are gonna vote for that - but I hope it really does do something, because shit has gotten ridiculous.
peace_piper 18th-Oct-2011 04:37 am (UTC)
I figured it'd be a one-day thing

Actually so did I, so I figured it wasn't worth staying and left the east coast two days before to move to Oregon.

But I share your cynicism. I've seen this before, I've got the badges from my many protests, I've got the arrest record, I've got it all under my belt, and what did all those years and time and tabling accomplish? Nothing. The damage goes on same as before.

Unfortunately, no one's going to vote out the very thing that keeps them in power, to which only one quote comes to mind, "when you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable."
celtic_thistle 18th-Oct-2011 02:08 am (UTC)
idk I'm a Gen-Y'er/Millenial and I've been at Occupy Denver multiple times, and I've seen plenty of Baby Boomers (and older!) there. I think this cuts across generational lines. Yeah, a lot of Boomers don't get it (or refuse to) but seriously, I don't want to make this seem like a Gen X/Y vs Boomers thing. We're all suffering and we're all mad.
sesmo 18th-Oct-2011 02:54 am (UTC)
Yup. Especially because many of us who DO have reasonably good jobs have children, or other family members who have been screwed. Still, I appreciate the author's attempt to explain that Boomers/GenX had it easier. It's true.
echoandsway 18th-Oct-2011 02:09 am (UTC)
Yeeeeep.

Back when I was a teen -- '86 or '87, maybe -- I recall reading a Time or Newsweek article pointing out that the Boomers were followed by one of the smallest generations (that is, mine), since there were so damn many of them, and so damn many of them deferred or deflected childbearing, causing this unusual inequity which, the article predicted, was going to lead to a lot of problems that even the subsequent mini-boom as those who deferred childbearing went for it in the '80s wouldn't compensate for. It sounded dire, but those chickens are starting to come home to roost. People of my age, when we have jobs, aren't able to move up, since those jobs are already taken by older people...and people younger than me? Are really, really screwed.

It's funny that the prevailing attitude of so many Boomers is that Younger Persons are just spoiled and entitled -- this, coming from a generation that could best be described as self-indulgent, having benefited enormously from the entitlements their parents codified. How spoiled can we be, when they're getting all the good stuff?

The presence of a very young population who also have the highest jobless rates has been a huge factor in the Arab Spring of revolution and reform; the US population has the oversized bulge of (often-smug) people in their 50s and 60s, but the group under 30 is a pretty big demographic, and they, like their counterparts in Egypt and Tunisia and Libya, are the most economically-screwed. The people just above them are a lot more likely to identify with their concerns than with older people, because we, too, are screwed.

I think Boomers inclined to be complacent and dismissive should think a little harder on this.
hammersxstrings 18th-Oct-2011 03:01 am (UTC)
when we have jobs, aren't able to move up, since those jobs are already taken by older people

omg this so hard. granted, I'm a millenial, but I work with many middle aged people and we have men that are like 65, 70, and still working because they either want to or actually have to. it just sucks for everyone all around.

I really wish people of all ages would pay more attention to this. I've been going nuts posting these types of articles everywhere (i'm sure annoying the crap out of my friends and family lol); it's not as simple of hating capitalism or wanting student loans forgiven. WE WANT JOBS. we want corps to stop outsoucing jobs. we need it to change. it just sucks.

lol this turned a lot longer than i thought; apologies lol
lovedforaday 18th-Oct-2011 02:12 am (UTC)
oh. another generation gap/war article.
redstar826 18th-Oct-2011 02:46 am (UTC)
When I was at Occupy Flint on friday, I'd say that there was a wide range of ages there. I was expecting it to mostly students (university of michigan-flint is a block away from the protest site), but I was pleasantly surprised that there were a lot of older folks there as well.

Many of the activists I work with are boombers, and I've learned sooooo much from them because they've been doing this shit for so long.

There are apathetic people from every generation and there are kick ass activists from every generation. Hell, I knew a badass woman who had been politically active since the 1930s. And she kept right on fighting until she passed away quite suddenly, at the age of 99 (we all thought she was like in her early 80s until she happened to mention that she getting ready to celebrate her 99th)!

Writing off any generation is just plain silly.
romp 18th-Oct-2011 05:52 am (UTC)
Since the 1930s! I'm pleased but how many boomers I'm seeing are protesting as if there was never a gap in years (most of these last fought for old growth forests and ant-nukes).
sweetthea 18th-Oct-2011 03:12 am (UTC)
This is interesting because most of the people who went to the occupy in my hometown (about 50-60) were retired/close to retirement older folks. There was probably one young family and a handful of young people from 18-30yrs.
____jonas 18th-Oct-2011 03:34 am (UTC)
Question: how does everyone here define the "boomers"? Because I've found that it seems to cover more than a generation of people, depending on who you ask.
effervescent 18th-Oct-2011 05:20 am (UTC)
According to wiki: "The United States Census Bureau considers a baby boomer to be someone born during the demographic birth boom between 1946 and 1964."

grazie 18th-Oct-2011 03:35 am (UTC)
I have thoughts on the Boomers, since it does suck to hear my Boomer parents tell me that I don't deserve to have medicare, while they base their entire future around the fact that they will enroll in it.

Or that I don't deserve to have social security, while my Dad couldn't WAIT to start cashing his checks, and my mom will be following suit in February.

But I've had too many boomers come up to me and share the greatest stories from their struggles in the 60s and 70s. They're not all bad.
sobota 18th-Oct-2011 08:29 am (UTC)
my mum and i had a blow up argument about social safety nets, in which i reminded her that it's on the backs of people like me that she will continue to GET her safety net.
lizzy_someone 18th-Oct-2011 04:36 am (UTC)
Kids these days, wanting extravagant things like health care and living wages!
peace_piper 18th-Oct-2011 04:41 am (UTC)
I know, right?! In my day we had to work for our wages uphill! Both ways! In the snow! And we was happy!
thewhowhatwhats 18th-Oct-2011 04:58 am (UTC)
The experience of a privileged, employed, highly educated, rich, white man shouldn't be used to generalize everyone else in his age group.
effervescent 18th-Oct-2011 05:27 am (UTC)
I don't like the generalizations, here, but I do like some of the points that he's making. I just wonder whether they people they need to reach are listening.
cecilia_weasley 18th-Oct-2011 05:57 am (UTC)
As difficult as it is to explain this sort of situation, we need to keep trying until other people understand. I feel like eventually, some of them will, even if they got hired when there were serious labour shortages in the 70s.
hinoema 18th-Oct-2011 09:19 am (UTC)
As a first-mint Gen Xer, I saw the whole facade unravel; I know *exactly* what this article is talking about. And it's very true. And I lay a great deal of the blame on Boomers who have rigged the system to siphon everything into their pockets so that the following generations have nothing. The 1% is basically the Xers and Millenials and so on waking up and seeing the huge con they've been pulling.
hinoema 18th-Oct-2011 09:23 am (UTC)
BTW, I'm referring to the Boomer generation power structure, not every single Boomer. Thought I'd clarify that.
snapesgirl34 18th-Oct-2011 11:40 am (UTC)
LOL, my mom's a baby boomer and she's the one who made my sister and I join the protest march with her. She needs to tell the rest of her generation to get their ass in gear.
jwaneeta 18th-Oct-2011 02:25 pm (UTC)
I was at Occupy Omaha and half of us were 40 or older. It made me proud.

I share the general disgust with my generation as a whole, but we made a good showing Saturday.
erunamiryene 18th-Oct-2011 02:38 pm (UTC)
I have a high-paying and generally pleasant job, which features excellent benefits and a flexible work schedule.

Must be fuckin' nice. I know, I'm an asshole, but damn. That'd be nice.

In just the past decade, total outstanding educational debt in America has risen more than five-fold, from $180 billion to nearly $1 trillion.

HOLY SHIIIIT.

Fuck yeah to this article, though. Like, my grandparents get OWS (they're 87 and 94), but my mom doesn't (she's 50). It's crazy.

aviv_b GO GEN-X, MILLENIALS! 18th-Oct-2011 04:41 pm (UTC)
Nice generalizations. Cause the experience of middle-aged white men (TeaParty et al)is totes the experience of all boomers.

My parents get it (they are in their 80s), and I get it as well. We are all horrified by what this country has devolved into. As a person at the end of the Babyboom, I didn't enjoy the prosperity that early boomers did. I entered the workforce in the 80s, during a recession, but nothing like this.

Nonetheless, its fair to say that you're leading the charge against the greed and corruption of the business/government establishment, but believe me, lots of middle aged and older Americans are with you. Now how do we get any of those jerks in Washington to listen?

GO GEN-X, MILLENIALS!

apostle_of_eris many people my age . . . my ass18th-Oct-2011 11:06 pm (UTC)
If this is real, it was written by someone with his head up his ass.
Anyone over 50 who is out of work may never get a job again. Ever.

A serious social problem which has been growing for decades is increasing social segregation. More and more, people only encounter other people who are similar ages, similar incomes, similar professions, similar family types, similar politics, etc. I don't care who you are, you are not the world!

“Let's you and him fight!” is one of the oldest, most basic tricks in the book. My mother who is trying to live on the 1% from her CDs is screwed. I haven't had a steady job in I'm-losing-count years. My nieces are in high school and college — what are they going to support themselves doing?

Here's the closest thing you're going to find to the real numbers. (If you don't know statistics jargon, "mean" is the average, while "median" is the middle of the list.) So half the unemployed have been out of work for 22 weeks or less, and half for more. But the average is 40 weeks. The only way that can be is if a whole lot of those more-than-22-weeks are a whole hell of a lot more than 22 weeks. And a disproportionate hell of a lot of them are boomers. Notice, too, that the mean has gone up by 2 weeks over the last year while the median has gone up by 7 weeks . . .

I gave up holding membership in a generation when I began receiving junk trends I hadn't ordered.
— Judith Martin
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