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More men seeking 'manny' work due to lousy economy

9:44 am - 10/29/2011

Greg Carroll left his job as an executive chef in 2009, when  his boss asked him to slash his 500-person staff by half. Since then, Carroll has done some catering, some consulting and some cooking in private homes. But full-time work has proven elusive.

So a few months ago, the 51-year-old Carroll posted an ad on Care.com, a site that pairs caregivers with potential employers. As a divorced father of four, he’s changed diapers, coached soccer and cooked healthy meals for his family. “I’m a great dad … so I thought (child care) might be something to look at.”


Some of these men are unemployed teachers, or daycare workers looking to go the “manny route.” Some are dads, like Carroll, with plenty of real-world experience but no formal background in caring for other people’s kids. And some have virtually no child care experience, but hope someone might give them a shot, anyway.Carroll is part of a growing trend of men turning to child care work as a way to earn money in a difficult economy. Candi Wingate,  president of the Norfolk, Neb.-based Nannies4Hire.com, estimates she’s seen a 10 percent jump in men looking for childcare work since the economy turned south. Johanna Flattery, with Care.com, said men advertising for child care jobs on the site has risen more than 30 percent since October 2008.

The overwhelming majority of nannies and babysitters in the U.S. are women, and plenty of potential employers reflexively shy away from hiring men to care for their kids. Child care is still considered by many to be a “woman’s job,” and parents may wonder why a guy would want to warm bottles, wipe up snot and play with Webkinz.

There are plenty of reasons why families would want to hire a man to watch their kids, said Flattery. “Anecdotally, we’ve seen a lot of mothers with pre-teen boys and teenagers who tend to pursue a male care provider. The reasons have been because these men can ‘keep up with’ the boys and participate in activities.” And single moms with male children often seek out men as care givers because they want a male role model for their sons.

Travis McGowin, a firefighter and part-time “manny” from Prattville, Ala., started working with children at a local YMCA and kept on doing child care throughout fire school.


“Kids accept people for who they are, instead of superficial things. If you have a genuine interest in what they’re doing, they’re going to be interested in you. If you show them love and interest, they’ll love you,” explained McGowin. “Kids have this whole unconditional love thing, and that’s what kept me in it the longest, more so than the money, actually.” “I do continue to do this for the extra income, especially because of the way the economy has gone in the past few years,” said McGowin. But he also just loves working with kids.

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lickety_split 29th-Oct-2011 12:44 pm (UTC)
I cringe every time I hear people "masculinize" words that are gender neutral to begin with, but are typically associated with women, so that it's "okay" for men to associate with that group.
apis_cerana 29th-Oct-2011 01:12 pm (UTC)
IA
thelilyqueen 29th-Oct-2011 01:41 pm (UTC)
IDK... the term manny sounds stupid to me too, but I'm not sure nanny is entirely gender neutral. Looking it up on dictionary.com, it's derived from pretty specifically feminine-referring words like aunt, nanny-goat, and the name Ann(e).

Don't know what I'd suggest in its place though.

premor 29th-Oct-2011 02:05 pm (UTC)
childminder?
thelilyqueen 29th-Oct-2011 02:26 pm (UTC)
That could work in the US, but doesn't it already have a meaning along the lines of babysitter (implying a more occasional thing) in the UK?
staticmatrix 29th-Oct-2011 03:41 pm (UTC)
in the uk, as far as i know, childminders have to pass inspections and usually have childcare qualifications, which i don't think is the case for babysitters.
thelilyqueen 29th-Oct-2011 03:46 pm (UTC)
I stand corrected then... yeah, a lot of serious sitters are certified in first aid and CPR through the Red Cross and that sort of thing, but they're also often the pretty responsible 15 year old down the street.
romp 30th-Oct-2011 12:29 am (UTC)
It may have started as a gender-specific word but now it's a job title.
thelilyqueen 30th-Oct-2011 01:42 am (UTC)
Formally, sure, but I can understand why at least some people might be a bit meh on applying it to men just as I feel a bit meh myself about my bachelor's degree or a female coworker's masters.

Edited at 2011-10-30 01:42 am (UTC)
sunoftheskye 29th-Oct-2011 01:59 pm (UTC)
mmhmm
thecityofdis 29th-Oct-2011 02:29 pm (UTC)
YEP.
fenris_lorsrai 29th-Oct-2011 03:34 pm (UTC)
Manny makes me think of this guy my folks used to work with at Public Works that drove BIG trucks, smoked like a chimney, and had his pants at half mast due to the weight of the giant ring of keys. I'm not sure if Manny was a nickname for a longer name like Emanuel or he really was named Manny.

So I'm picturing people hiring him. "Hey kids, want to dig a hole with the backhoe?" "YEAH!"
thepikey 29th-Oct-2011 05:33 pm (UTC)
"Alright kids, tonight fer dinner we're havin' chicken roasted over a beer can. Wanna help?"
jiaren_shadow 29th-Oct-2011 06:13 pm (UTC)
I seriously want to make beer can chicken now.
thepikey 29th-Oct-2011 06:20 pm (UTC)
The internets is here to help!

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/guy-fieri/big-buds-beer-can-chicken-recipe/index.html

(The first one I opened also features a half-pound of bacon... dammit, now I want this too.)
othellia 30th-Oct-2011 01:16 am (UTC)
I know a Manny, but it's short for Manuel.
fishnet_hamster 30th-Oct-2011 02:24 am (UTC)
The Manny I know is short for Emanuel. There's also Handy Manny! Let's not forget him.
jeppa 30th-Oct-2011 04:48 am (UTC)
Manny was the name of the best forklift driver when I used to work in a warehouse as a student. It was short for Maninder I think?

"Manny! We need a pallet let down in the freezer! Over!"
andthelight 29th-Oct-2011 03:48 pm (UTC)
yep.
skellington1 29th-Oct-2011 04:40 pm (UTC)
Yes.

Just saw someone asking "What do you think about man purses" and I couldn't articulate why it made me cringe. You spelled it out, exactly.
amyura 30th-Oct-2011 03:25 am (UTC)
Excuse me, it's a satchel. Indiana Jones had one.
nonnycat 29th-Oct-2011 10:57 pm (UTC)
This. FFS.
romp 30th-Oct-2011 12:30 am (UTC)
YESOMGTHIS
valkeakuulas 29th-Oct-2011 01:05 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm all for smashing traditional gender roles. Good for them. Probably if more men start working in child care, as nurses, etc. the salary will start to get better in those fields. :|
kyakki 30th-Oct-2011 03:25 am (UTC)
Knowing history, it will get better for the men.
premor 29th-Oct-2011 01:29 pm (UTC)
It took me a while to figure out "manny" was a stupid portmanteau of man and nanny and not a a weird diminutive of "manual".
missingalphabet 29th-Oct-2011 03:04 pm (UTC)
I thought it was a made-up word comparable to masculine.
roseofjuly 29th-Oct-2011 05:58 pm (UTC)
So did I. Like more men were taking more "masculine" jobs like manufacturing and manual labor because of the recession.
not_emily 29th-Oct-2011 06:43 pm (UTC)
Same. It took me a bit to get what they meant.
romp 30th-Oct-2011 12:32 am (UTC)
You've missed reading The Manny?!

(I haven't read it but I can tell you it never leaves the library, perhaps because of the stupid title)
rex_dart 29th-Oct-2011 04:47 pm (UTC)
The overwhelming majority of nannies and babysitters in the U.S. are women, and plenty of potential employers reflexively shy away from hiring men to care for their kids. Child care is still considered by many to be a “woman’s job,” and parents may wonder why a guy would want to warm bottles, wipe up snot and play with Webkinz.

Far be it from me to defend sexist attitudes about child-rearing, but I can think of one or two pretty damn good reasons that women especially might be wary of leaving their children alone with grown men.
prosodi 29th-Oct-2011 05:16 pm (UTC)
This.
fishnet_hamster 30th-Oct-2011 01:48 am (UTC)
I can totally understand your concern. However, I work in child care, so I've been through all the background checks and such that are required to get a job working with kids (at least in New York state). I can't speak for all of the U.S., but where I'm from, everyone's background, male and female, is inspected to eliminate any suspicion.

Now I'm wondering if background checks for child care workers are a national norm. God, I hope so. I really hope so.
kyakki 30th-Oct-2011 03:30 am (UTC)
The problem is that background checks rely on the person not having been caught. And nannies/baby sitters are not held to even those checks a professional working with children (be it teachers, various therapists, etc) are.

When you consider the dismal stats on reports (much less convictions) for the kind of reasons parents should worry, there is still damn good reason to trust women more than men.
fishnet_hamster 30th-Oct-2011 03:39 am (UTC)
You do have a point.
fashionbabylon 29th-Oct-2011 05:38 pm (UTC)
I would never hire a male nanny.
ladygoddess 29th-Oct-2011 07:00 pm (UTC)
I've actually suggested it to my husband --whoo, first time writing that word!--that he look into becoming a nanny/caretaker. He's a librarian by trade/study, but work has been extremely elusive for him. We live outside of NYC and on the average day, you can see literally dozens of nannies pushing babies around in strollers in the mornings.
fashionbabylon 29th-Oct-2011 08:18 pm (UTC)
congrats on your marriage! :D I worked in the NYC public library system for two years in their central children's library, and whenever we had story time the lobby became a maze of strollers and Jamaican/Polish nannies. NYC is a unique place...
shechoselove 30th-Oct-2011 03:35 am (UTC)
Why not?
shechoselove 31st-Oct-2011 10:41 pm (UTC)
I understand that (and I wasn't trying to invalidate anything--the OP is obviously entitled to her opinion). I was just curious.
mothwing 29th-Oct-2011 06:45 pm (UTC)
Oh, so it's because of the lousy economy? THAT'S fine, then. <_<
fishnet_hamster 30th-Oct-2011 02:35 am (UTC)
I got that same sort of vibe from the way this article was written.

LOOK AT THESE POOR MEN! THE ECONOMY IS SO TERRIBLE THAT THEY'RE FORCED TO WORK WITH CHILDREN! YES, WITH CHILDREN! CAN YOU EVEN BEGIN TO BELIEVE IT? MY GOD, THEY'RE EVEN ENJOYING THEMSELVES AND FEELING A SENSE OF FULFILLMENT. THE HELL IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?
romp 30th-Oct-2011 12:38 am (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear about the anti-male-nanny sentiment. I'm not especially fond of nannies anyway but through no fault of theirs. Still, my tween son has always loved babies and little kids and I've thought that he might use his nurturing aspect to get a job one day.

Maybe the pedophiles ruined that for him. :(
fishnet_hamster 30th-Oct-2011 02:33 am (UTC)
It sucks that society scares people out of potential success because it goes against the norm and challenges people's perceptions. That happens way too often.
fishnet_hamster ANECDATA OVERLOAD AHOY!30th-Oct-2011 02:27 am (UTC)
I've worked in child care-related jobs for about five years. In those five years, I've had two male co-workers. This is just counting the guys working in daycare and preschool environments, not the guys who are hired in the summer to do school-age programs with the older kids.

I totally believe it has to do with socialized gender norms. Guys can be good with kids, but working with little kids and babies? That's considered too close to motherhood, and is therefore deemed undesirable for men. It's like society is saying that women can teach younger kids because it involves a bit more nurturing, but guys are expected to do more of the "real" education, like algebra and history. That right there's a MAN'S JOB (/sarcasm).

At the places where I've worked, there's always been background checks on all the employees, male and female. I feel that this is incredibly important when you're working with kids. Parents want to trust who they're leaving their kids with. However, I have heard that where I'm currently working, there has been at least one incident of parents getting upset that there was a male working in one of the baby rooms. They were cool with him being moved to an older age room, but a man working with babies was too suspicious for comfort.

tl;dr version: Stupid gender norms ruin everything.
romp Re: ANECDATA OVERLOAD AHOY!30th-Oct-2011 08:45 pm (UTC)
anecdata back at you!

A couple of years ago when that trans man had a kid, my son watched the beginning of a news clip about it and his face lit up because he thought maybe a work-around had been found and he'd be able to have a baby. : /

We never left our kids with a stranger...but when we did leave them with someone, the guys we knew were in the running along with the women. I'd definitely leave kids with those guys before I'd leave them with an unknown woman--women are capable of plenty of damage.

I guess I'm lucky my wife doesn't feel this way (points to your post). I hadn't realized so many people made a bad connection between men and babies. That is sad.
johnjie 31st-Oct-2011 11:56 am (UTC)
I hate this article's tone of 'my god, HOW DEGRADING, men doing WOMEN"S work oh shock horror, oh unhappy day' like it would only ever be economic necessity and never genuine desire that would make a man work with children as a career

ugh
tiger0range 31st-Oct-2011 02:15 pm (UTC)
I had a male nanny when I was very young. He's the only nanny I remember, which shows you how much better it was for me to have a male nanny than a female one (I had something like 3 female nannies and don't remember hide nor hair of them). I think my mom let him go because I was getting too attached.
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