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Generators Taken From New York's 'Occupy Wall Street' Protesters
Chris Francescani and Michelle Nichols
Saturday, 29 October 2011


Anti-Wall Street protesters' plans to camp in a New York park throughout the city's harsh winter were dealt a blow yesterday when the fire department confiscated generators and fuel because they posed a danger.

With the first snow forecast to fall today, the Occupy Wall Street movement against economic inequality lost the generators that had been powering heat, computers and a kitchen in the Lower Manhattan camp they set up six weeks ago.

"They think that taking the 'power' away will take the power away, and that's absolutely not true at all," said Occupy Wall Street spokesman Michael Booth.

Unlike protesters elsewhere in the country, who rallied in city parks which typically have a curfew at night, those in New York set up camp in a privately-owned park open to the public 24 hours a day and cannot be removed unless the owner, Brookfield Office Properties, officially complains to the city.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the six generators and fuel were confiscated because they were considered a safety hazard and it was not a bid to remove protesters.

"As long as they don't take away anybody else's rights to say what they want to say, or to not say anything, to go about their business safely ... at the moment it will continue," Bloomberg told local radio.

Some analysts said that Bloomberg's strategy toward the protesters was simple - contain them and ensure there is no violence like that seen in Oakland, where former US Marine Scott Olsen was badly injured in clashes with police.

"Everything is about containing it, if it goes on for a long time they are prepared. Let them live and be well and it will come to an end," said political strategist Hank Sheinkopf. "The strategic move is not to have violence."

Ken Sherrill, a professor of political science at Hunter College in New York, said any kind of conflict would be bad for the city's image and that Bloomberg was no doubt hoping that the protest would fade as the weather worsened.

"That doesn't mean that the mayor wants to make life easy for the demonstrators," he said. "Other than perhaps ratcheting up the inconveniences, there's not going to be anything more intense and I think that would be ill-conceived anyway."

But Occupy Wall Street spokesman Ed Needham said the removal of the generators was "certainly a directed effort to thwart our situation." He said solar powered generators were being brought in to replace those taken.

"It makes us feel like this is a confrontational relationship between the city and the park, and that's not the type of relationship we're trying to foster," Needham said. "We'll do just fine this winter. Our volunteers are as creative and resourceful as they are committed."

A possible showdown between Occupy Wall Street and New York police was averted two weeks ago when Brookfield Office Properties postponed a cleanup of the area, which protesters feared was a bid to remove them.

Source.

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erunamiryene 29th-Oct-2011 05:36 pm (UTC)
So, let me get this straight, Bloomers.

You took their sources of power and HEAT, right as winter sets in.

But ...
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the six generators and fuel were confiscated because they were considered a safety hazard and it was not a bid to remove protesters.

Sure, buddy. Sure. That's why you got pissed when you couldn't oust them to "clean" the plaza, too, right?

Some analysts said that Bloomberg's strategy toward the protesters was simple - contain them and ensure there is no violence like that seen in Oakland, where former US Marine Scott Olsen was badly injured in clashes with police.

... just because it wasn't as bad as Oakland doesn't mean your cops haven't already fucked up, bro.

That doesn't mean that the mayor wants to make life easy for the demonstrators

... Taking away a source of heat at the onset of winter isn't "causing an inconvenience", that's being a complete and outright dickhead.
simply_blah 29th-Oct-2011 05:43 pm (UTC)
I really thought better of the FDNY. =\
fashionbabylon 29th-Oct-2011 05:41 pm (UTC)
how effective are heaters like that in an unenclosed space like a park? people should start donating those crackable warmer packets.
roseofjuly 29th-Oct-2011 05:50 pm (UTC)
Depends on how close you're sitting to them, and how many there are. People often heat outdoor events like weddings and receptions.
liret 29th-Oct-2011 05:47 pm (UTC)
For the record, it is now snowing heavily in NYC, with temperatures expected to continue falling and wind to increase through the night. Worst Noreaster to hit this early in the season for years.

But I'm sure it was just about the fire hazard.
roseofjuly 29th-Oct-2011 05:52 pm (UTC)
I THOUGHT I saw snow falling outside of my window, but I decided that it was slow rain and kept myself in denial.

WTF it's not even Halloween yet!
roseofjuly 29th-Oct-2011 05:48 pm (UTC)
New Yorkers are gangster; some of those people will be out there regardless. They stand outside in cold temps just to watch the ball drop on New Year's Eve or to get SNL tickets.

I'm going to need an explanation as to why the generators are a safety hazard, though.
fashionbabylon 29th-Oct-2011 05:58 pm (UTC)
although we ARE completely badass, the people who stand outside in times square and try to get SNL tickets are mostly tourists, not new yorkers. :P
katiechainsaw 29th-Oct-2011 06:01 pm (UTC)
Random Q from a Brit - I don't know anything about your fire fighters but does anyone know if any of them group together to support the protesters? Curious to see how they compare with the UK who are quite unionised and generally very good with solidarity and such.
smilingskull 29th-Oct-2011 06:28 pm (UTC)
They are part of a union, but I actually haven't heard anything about the FDNY in terms of the protests until now. Quick check of their website doesn't reveal anything either negative or positive, so I'm not sure.
citiesburning 29th-Oct-2011 06:21 pm (UTC)
so it took a month and 1/2 for this to become a hazard?.........okay
chantalzola 30th-Oct-2011 02:28 am (UTC)
That's what I was thinking, heh.

ETA: And I just noticed your username, which is... funny is the wrong word... but it's SOMETHING considering this article.

Man I am being beyond inarticulate today. I hope you get what I mean!

Edited at 2011-10-30 02:29 am (UTC)
jwaneeta 29th-Oct-2011 06:27 pm (UTC)
Oh come on. They've had those generators since the beginning and now they're a hazard?
astridmyrna 29th-Oct-2011 08:16 pm (UTC)
Snow is flammable dontcha know.
smilingskull 29th-Oct-2011 06:30 pm (UTC)
I seriously wish I had the ability to go buy out the coat section at Macy's and ship them down to the park or something, because goddamn is the snow coming down. Nice job being an ass, Bloomie. I'm glad people have finally been able to put up tents though, hopefully that'll help some.
dramaturgy 29th-Oct-2011 06:34 pm (UTC)
Man that is twelve different kinds of bullshit right there.
ladygoddess Slightly OT29th-Oct-2011 06:55 pm (UTC)
I've been reading in my hometown newspaper that incidents with the local homeless community have been on the rise. This one gentleman has been trying to fight OWS men and harassing women so much that charges were filed against him. That OWS group has also had trouble with the homeless population drinking--which is against the rules--and stealing things from the camp.

The comments on the article are full of HA HA WHO ISN'T BEING CHARITABLE NOW?! which I find to be troubling. I don't have much to add other than feeling frustrated that people don't realize that many homeless people have issues which non-doctors/specialists are qualified to handle...
citiesburning Re: Slightly OT 29th-Oct-2011 07:07 pm (UTC)
also slightly OT

its really sad we still have such a lack of resources for the homeless - even aside from OWS ... like, my dad was really sick, a few years ago - and I remember sitting in the ER waiting room - during the colder months (Nov./ Dec.) homeless people would come in - and like, obviously with problems other than just medical - but the police would come in and just take them outside to the streets.

I understand, there is only so much the hospitals can do ... but, how can we just be putting sick people on the street. how is that happening? it kills me. like, ugh. idk im just rambling/venting
alryssa 29th-Oct-2011 06:59 pm (UTC)
So generators are a safety issue - coincidentally not until the temperatures dropped - but frostbite and hypothermia aren't.

Okay.

Good to know. I'm sure the EMS will thank you for their no doubt increased workload over the next month or two.

crossfire 29th-Oct-2011 08:06 pm (UTC)
violence like that seen in Oakland, where former US Marine Scott Olsen was badly injured in clashes with police badly injured when the police brutalized him.

ftfy
astridmyrna 29th-Oct-2011 08:19 pm (UTC)
Well, this is all kinds of level of fucked up. Luckily there are those sorts of heating pads where the chemicals inside the pads warm up when in contact with body heat or maybe they can get a quilt/blanket/jacket thing going on.
chantalzola 30th-Oct-2011 02:34 am (UTC)
From experience though, those heating pads don't work too well and you need multiple ones. I used to have to use them to heat my bed at night. Also some of them can actually give you burns if you have direct contact with your skin. Luckily that I do NOT know from first hand experience.
redstar826 29th-Oct-2011 08:59 pm (UTC)
is there an actual danger from the generators or are they just hoping that the cold weather will break up the protests?

(I've been wondering what the plans were in general for the occupations in northern cities once winter hit)
mollywobbles867 29th-Oct-2011 10:38 pm (UTC)
the latter
nemi_chan 29th-Oct-2011 10:12 pm (UTC)
I know OWS is getting donations and such. I think some bike generators wouldn't be amiss, no? But they can be expensive, even if you DIY.
dantheorangeman 30th-Oct-2011 12:54 am (UTC)
I'm sorry but as a person who works with generators, they are very dangerous to be around if you don't know what you're doing and it's definitely not good to have a bunch of generators around a shit ton of people.
chantalzola 30th-Oct-2011 02:35 am (UTC)
But why didn't they take them away before? Also, we don't know if the specific people who owned them or not, had previous experience with generators, etc. I know they can be dangerous, but it just seems odd that they're being confiscated know as opposed to weeks ago. It says they were being used for computers, etc., so it's not like they were just turned on recently for the heat.
cyranothe2nd 30th-Oct-2011 01:07 am (UTC)
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the six generators and fuel were confiscated because they were considered a safety hazard and it was not a bid to remove protesters.

Riiiiiiight.
free_spoons 30th-Oct-2011 01:30 am (UTC)
They weren't a safety risk when the temperatures where in the 60s during the day, but the night before a nor'easter they became a safety issue? riiiiiight.
chantalzola 30th-Oct-2011 02:20 am (UTC)
How many generators are left or was this it? I can't tell by the article if all of the generators were taken or only some, and if this is the majority, etc.

I thought there had been violence against protestors in NYC?

And I didn't know that was a privately owned park. I'm going to look up Brookfield now. Do you know anything about them by any chance?
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