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Is There Such A Thing As Female Privilege?

1:09 pm - 11/21/2011
In the sex positive talk space we hear a lot about “male privilege” but rarely — if ever — discuss what privileges women have that men don’t.

But women do have "female privilege" even though we rarely address this concept and, when we do, it's quickly scoffed at and derailed. 

But it shouldn’t be. And I’ll explain why. 

But first, let’s look at the concept of female privilege to understand why, in certain ways, being female does give you innate advantages over being male.


What is female privilege?

For a start, female privilege means, as a woman, you’re likely to live longer.Women on average live 5 to 10 years longer than men. They’re also 40 percent less likely to die from cancer than men and 1,300 percent less likely to die in a workplace accident

As a woman, you’re also significantly less likely to become homelesscommit suicide or become addicted to drugs or alcohol. Men are far more likely to be victims of violent crime or murder. In fact, men are even the ones most likely to become the victims of domestic violence (among dating couples) — a fact that astonished me when I learned it. 

Feminists cite the earning disparity between men and women as an example of male privilege — but look at it from the other direction and you’ll see just as sharp a gender gap. There are nine times as many men in prison than women

All of these statistics are independent of what feminists call “benevolent sexism” and what male activists call “male disprivilege” — the way society demands men treat women. 

Male disprivilege reveals itself in the old tropes – like how a man is still expected to pay for dinner when he’s out on a date with a girl, or hold the door open for her. 

More significantly, this is why judges are more likely to award mothers custody of their kids then men, and why men fill the majority of physically demanding, more dangerous manual jobs like construction and armed service. 

And while women complain of the expectations society puts on them, men are faced with the same challenges. A woman can embrace a stranger’s child without raising alarm — a man who does so would be considered “creepy.” Two women can crash out after a party in the same bed — or even snuggle — and nobody would question their heterosexuality. 

More significantly — and ignoring the fact that all violence should be considered unacceptable — a man is chided for shying away from physical confrontation, yet given the contradictory rule that “you should never hit a woman.” 

(Shouldn’t you try to avoid hitting anybody, period?) 

Women complain about the way society demands they conform to body standards — but what about the most brutal body standard of all — circumcision? 

Millions of boys are brought into this world by having their foreskin brutally torn off — often without anesthetic. Meanwhile, altering a girl’s genitals can land somebody in jail for years (a federal law that applies only to one gender doesn’t seem to support the notion of “equal protection under the law”). 

And lets not forget the biggest female privilege of all — the fact that women are born with the ability to grow and give birth to another human being. 

They can bear children. They can create life. Feminists can scoff at the concept, but this is a privilege of such mind-boggling significance that it essentially blows everything else I’ve mentioned out of the water. 

And I’ve barely scratched the surface.

 Why should we talk about female privilege?

As a community, we need to acknowledge that female privilege exists. It’s real. 

In fact, it’s every bit as real as male privilege; yet as a community, we seem reticent to even acknowledge it; and even less likely to talk about it rationally or openly. 

I believe one of the reasons that the sex positive community in general (and feminists in particular) doesn’t like to acknowledge “female privilege” is because they believe doing so somehow “cancels out” the inequities created by “male privilege.” 
But that’s not true. 

And that’s something important — revolutionary, even — that we need to incorporate into the adult discussion about gender and equality. 

Men and women are equal, yes – but they’re different; and the fact that female privilege exists doesn’t mean male privilege doesn’t. 

The fact is, you can’t line up male privilege and female privilege and expect to connect the dots. They don’t exist like that. Take the female privilege of giving birth, for example — there simplyisn’t an equivalent male privilege. That’s why acknowledging one doesn’t eliminate the important of addressing the other. 

And even today, many of the perceived “inequalities” created by so-called male-privilege are being addressed — so much so, that the concept of “the patriarchy” might be flipped on its head within our lifetime. 

Today, for example, more women graduate college than men. Twice as many women get a post-graduate degree than their male counterparts. Women are more likely to find a job after leaving college and 51 percent of all business and financial professionals are now female. 

Women might be a boardroom rarity today; but that will be very different in ten years time. In all other aspects of society, women are already eclipsing men professionally. 

Even as recently as 2008, women fared better than their male counterparts in the recession; 30 percent less likely to get laid off. Even with unemployment rates as high as they are currently, women are almost 20 percent less likely to be unemployed than men (and that’s even including those who choose to be. The choice to be a “stay at home mom” without being judged, of course, is another female privilege). 

It’s no longer a man’s world, and becoming less and less so every day. When the gender rebalance has happened, the question will be whether feminists will put their money where their mouth is and address female privilege as seriously as they did so-called male privilege.


what a load of B.S. And yes, I realize what the source is, but I think it's still valid. 
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origamicage 21st-Nov-2011 08:18 pm (UTC)
Oh shit let me fix that formatting sorry
chaya 21st-Nov-2011 08:18 pm (UTC)
In future: less HTML is more.
origamicage 21st-Nov-2011 08:21 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I just copy pasta from the article and didn't realize how much rich text screws things up. I'll be more careful in the future!
vulturoso 21st-Nov-2011 08:20 pm (UTC)
Oh, a guy wrote this? I am shocked I tell you - SHOCKED!
sesmo 21st-Nov-2011 10:32 pm (UTC)
What, you don't think giving birth is a privilege? Dude clearly hasn't actually conversed with a pregnant woman. Probably she was just too privileged, or he was afraid he'd have to hold the door open for her.
we_got_caught 21st-Nov-2011 08:21 pm (UTC)
Surprise, surprise, it was written by a man.
vinylsigns 21st-Nov-2011 09:16 pm (UTC)
My thoughts exactly
vanillakokakola 21st-Nov-2011 08:22 pm (UTC)


sephystabbity 22nd-Nov-2011 12:44 am (UTC)
ascendings 21st-Nov-2011 08:22 pm (UTC)
lmao what is this
vanillakokakola 21st-Nov-2011 08:23 pm (UTC)
the "women live longer" thing has always baffled me. like, how the fuck is that a privilege? I CANNOOTTTTT
popehippo 21st-Nov-2011 08:25 pm (UTC)
Because I know when I think of things I'm grateful for, it's possibly living long enough to see my loved ones diiiiiiiiie. :D

(note to self: make all-male list of enemies bwahahaha)
vulturoso 21st-Nov-2011 08:23 pm (UTC)
Today, for example, more women graduate college than men. Twice as many women get a post-graduate degree than their male counterparts. Women are more likely to find a job after leaving college and 51 percent of all business and financial professionals are now female.

This fucknut doesn't understand that the privilege lies in the part where men still get paid more than women for doing these same jobs. THAT is where the "privilege" lies, not in the motivation for women to further their education.

bushy_brow 21st-Nov-2011 08:25 pm (UTC)
Not to mention women are more likely to find those jobs because employers know they can get away with paying women less for the same work.
popehippo 21st-Nov-2011 08:24 pm (UTC)
wimples 22nd-Nov-2011 08:10 am (UTC)
mte this has to be a joke
vanillakokakola 21st-Nov-2011 08:25 pm (UTC)
courtesy of tumblr. unfortunately, [citation needed], but it sounds accurate

"White American males constitute only 33% of the population. Yet, they occupy approximately:

80% of tenured positions in higher education
80% of the House of Representatives
80-85% of the U.S. Senate
92%of Forbes 400 executive CEO-level positions
90% of athletic team owners
97.7% of U.S. presidents"
chaya 21st-Nov-2011 08:45 pm (UTC)
97.7% of U.S. presidents

Thanks to Barack Obama, our C-C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
hammersxstrings 21st-Nov-2011 08:26 pm (UTC)
okay so, in just skimming it and being completely lazy and not wanting to C&P specific things, most of those "privilege's" they cite are natural occurences-longer lives, GIVING BIRTH, not being as susceptible to cancer (altho I would guess that prob have to do with, in general, a more cautious lifestyle with less substance abuse and probably less likely to work in areas that would contribute to cancer, y/n?)

but. I mean, male privilege, a lot of times, the reason why it's oppressive is because its systemic through society, ie not a natural cause but on the active part of men oppressing women. Am I on the right track here?

in summation, I agree with OP. Call BS
nimago 21st-Nov-2011 11:45 pm (UTC)
not being as susceptible to cancer

Not to nitpick, but the article said not to die from cancer. And this is because women are more likely to see doctors/seek medical care therefore are more likely to catch signs of cancer earlier making their prognosis better.

*/no reference available

I mean, it doesn't take away from your point.
visiblemarket 21st-Nov-2011 08:27 pm (UTC)
I swear I read an article with the same basic title, same basic points, same logical flaws, that I fully expected to be this article when I saw it (I was just coming to make sure it was the same one). The fact that there (at least) two of them out there doesn't exactly shock me, but it does kind of bum me out.
clevermanka 21st-Nov-2011 08:59 pm (UTC)
iolarah 21st-Nov-2011 08:28 pm (UTC)
“male disprivilege”
TROLOLOLOL! Whatever, dude. If paying the tab on a date pisses you off that much, then ask beforehand if you can split the tab evenly. Most women won't mind. Disprivilege. Haha. I'll remember that the next time I get passed over for a promotion.
stellar_kar 21st-Nov-2011 09:02 pm (UTC)
I know I don't feel right about having a guy I just met pay for me...I'd rather we paid for ourselves
origamicage 21st-Nov-2011 08:29 pm (UTC)
Oh and his twitter is here

itcamefromjapan 21st-Nov-2011 08:35 pm (UTC)
I feel your pain, Roy.
vulturoso 21st-Nov-2011 08:32 pm (UTC)
Is that motherfucking Tom Hardy?
mercaque 21st-Nov-2011 08:30 pm (UTC)
So much fail here, I just can't.
itcamefromjapan 21st-Nov-2011 08:35 pm (UTC)
Feminists cite the earning disparity between men and women as an example of male privilege — but look at it from the other direction and you’ll see just as sharp a gender gap. There are nine times as many men in prison than women.

*blinks* Look at it from...the other direction? That implies that earning money and being in prison are opposites. I'm pretty sure the opposite of "earning money" is "not earning money," not "being in prison." Rhetoric fail.

As for the rest of it, lol whatever, dude.

ETA: ACTUALLY NO I'M NOT DONE HERE. Women have the privilege of being able to give birth? Way to be cissexist.


Edited at 2011-11-21 08:38 pm (UTC)
teacup_werewolf 21st-Nov-2011 11:04 pm (UTC)
It will probably blow his mind that OH HAY, TRANS MEN CAN GIVE BIRTH TOO.
skunk 21st-Nov-2011 08:38 pm (UTC)
having just recently finished a very long sociology thesis paper on the effects of gender roles on the treatment of women in the workplace and the sorts of goals and ambitions women set for themselves, this little rant is particularly rage inducing.

way to not only entirely miss the point of what gender privilege means, but also warp facts and statistics to fit your own agenda.

yes, women are less likely to be laid off. because companies know they can exploit female employees to do work for a fraction of what a male worker would expect to be paid. privilege indeed.

Edited at 2011-11-21 08:39 pm (UTC)
aviv_b 21st-Nov-2011 08:39 pm (UTC)
Another week, another failboat. Yes, poor oppressed men. Someone needs to take Privilege 101. You want 'female privilege' let's start with simulated birth. The best we can is to inflate a basketball in your colon and then you can push it out your ass.
mercystars 21st-Nov-2011 08:39 pm (UTC)
christ on a bike this asswipe
sankaku_atama 21st-Nov-2011 08:41 pm (UTC)
Looks like someone needs a refresher on what the term 'privilege' means. Or, hell, to even learn what it means in the first place.

It’s no longer a man’s world, and becoming less and less so every day.

LOL. Sure it is.
hammersxstrings 21st-Nov-2011 08:50 pm (UTC)
and so what if it was? why is that so bad, that gender equality is that much closer, or hell...if we WERE about to have our day in the sun? You've had thousands of years, give us a few decades

/okay that last part is childish but COME ONNNNNNNNN
kitanabychoice icon says all.21st-Nov-2011 08:41 pm (UTC)
roguebelle 21st-Nov-2011 08:42 pm (UTC)
And lets not forget the biggest female privilege of all — the fact that women are born with the ability to grow and give birth to another human being.

Yeah. That's been really awesome for us and our privileges for the past few thousand years. It definitely hasn't become the primary factor on which we are judged, regulated, shamed, and degrade. We're definitely not at all held hostage to that supposed privilege on a daily basis.
hammersxstrings 21st-Nov-2011 08:51 pm (UTC)
legit was the thing that made me rage. srsly. this guy has no idea what he's talking about cause unless you're Michelle Duggar, you're dealing with the not being pregnant part of being able to do that, which blows. and, tbh, most men wouldn't be able to handle
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