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A Bad Day (and New Year) for U.S. National Security

7:42 pm - 12/14/2011
"FBI Director Robert Mueller just this morning told the Senate that he fears the proposed law will create confusion over who has authority to investigate terrorism cases.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the National Defense Authorization Act will restrain the Executive Branch's ability to use "all the counterterrorism tools that are now legally available" and "needlessly complicate efforts by frontline law enforcement professionals to collect critical intelligence concerning operations and activities within the United States."

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has written that it "would introduce unnecessary rigidity at a time when our intelligence, military and law enforcement professionals are working more closely than ever to defend our nation effectively and quickly from terrorist attacks."

Still, ignoring the advice from his most senior federal military and law enforcement professionals, President Obama is expected to sign the 2012 law, according to his senior advisors.

The concerns aren't limited to federal officials. Earlier this week the 20,000-member International Association of Chiefs of Police wrote to Congress expressing concern that the law could "undermine the ability of our law enforcement counterterrorism experts, in particular those involved with Joint Terrorism Task Forces, to conduct effective investigations of suspected terrorists."

A bipartisan group of 26 retired generals and admirals recently wrote that the legislation "both reduces the options available to our Commander-in-Chief to incapacitate terrorists and violates the rule of law" and "would seriously undermine the safety of the American people."

The U.K. and Germany have said they won't share intelligence or turn over suspected terrorists to the U.S. if they know they'll be headed to indefinite military custody.

And that's just the national security concerns.

Americans from across the political spectrum are in an uproar that the law would, for the first time since the McCarthy era, allow the indefinite detention without trial of U.S. citizens and lawful residents in the United States. (The Internal Security Act was repealed before it was ever used.)

It would also make permanent fixtures out of what were intended to be temporary U.S. military prisons abroad. The Guantanamo Bay detention center in Cuba and the Parwan detention facility on the U.S.-run Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan together hold around 3000 detainees in indefinite detention.

The NDAA would not only extend current restrictions on transferring detainees out of Guantanamo, but could extend them to Bagram, making it nearly impossible to transfer future detainees back to where they came from. Defense Department General Counsel Jeh Johnson has called the transfer restrictions "onerous and nearly impossible to satisfy." Other senior officials have warned that they could hamper the US withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan.

Politically, there may be reasons why Congress has supported the NDAA, including the many earmarks that bring costly projects to members' districts. But as a matter of national security and American principles, the bill is a disaster.

"When he took office, President Obama told the American people that he would restore the nation's commitment to the rule of law and the protection of human rights," Elisa Massimino, President and CEO of Human Rights First said today. "Today's announcement proves that he is unwilling to put his full power behind those presidential promises. The American people need a leader whose commitment to smart national security policies will not wane in the face of opposition from Capitol Hill. This legislation will be a loaded gun in the hands of any future administration." "

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Tried to bold all the important things. I saw the freak out over this on Twitter, and I'm more then frightened at the American citizens being detained part. My inner Sci-Fi writer thinks this is in part to the rise of the Occupy movements, but I don't like thinking about where that road will lead. 
vehemencet_t 15th-Dec-2011 01:07 am (UTC)
I'm more then frightened at the American citizens being detained part

I agree with you that their motivation seems to have more to do with domestic concerns over civil unrest than foreign terrorism, since that has been the primary focus of some many of their retarded reports anyway.

I am so tired of them hyping the foreign "terrorist menace" bullshit as an excuse to obtain more and more limitless authority.
age_of_green 15th-Dec-2011 01:12 am (UTC)
Replace "Communist" with "Terrorist" and you'll find that the Cold War never really ended. There was just a 10 year intermission.
vehemencet_t 15th-Dec-2011 01:19 am (UTC)
Exactly right. Before that it was anarchists, socialists, "Indians", heretics, muslims, pagans, and even Christians way back when before they united with the state. Always some group to demonize to justify your rule.

Reminds me of this quote:

“First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out because I was not a communist. Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. They came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist, Then it was the turn of the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew, Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me”
– Martin Niemoller
age_of_green 15th-Dec-2011 01:25 am (UTC)
I've been looking for the source for this quote; I have it on my Tumblr. Thanks.
romp 15th-Dec-2011 06:58 am (UTC)
I've been thinking of that quote a lot this winter.
shedove 15th-Dec-2011 02:04 am (UTC)
I just finished a class on Latin American and U.S. diplomatic relations, and this is exactly what it points too. Even when the Soviet Union failed, the U.S. went on to combat "the war on drugs" to still retain control in Latin American countries. The U.S. always seems to be in some kind of "war" to reassert control and its manliness to the rest of the world.
mzflux 15th-Dec-2011 01:27 am (UTC)



"One of the things that’s been really helpful in this debate is the Japanese American Citizens League has come out strongly against this legislation. And one of the things that they are worried about and that they’ve drawn a direct line from is what happened during World War II, where there was an internment of Japanese Americans based on nothing more than suspicion or just, you know, plain-out, old racism, where there was that internment experience of people indefinitely detained without charge or trial. And what’s happening here, and this kind of power that would be given over to any president, not just President Obama—but this is so broadly written, it would become a permanent feature of United States law, so that 10 years, 20 years down the road, any president could still use this power to have the military pick up people and indefinitely detain them without charge or trial, potentially for years, potentially for life."
~ Chris Anders, senior legislative counsel in the American Civil Liberties Union’s Washington Legislative Office, on Democracy Now!
age_of_green 15th-Dec-2011 01:31 am (UTC)
This. I actually first heard about this bill on George Takei's blog:

http://www.allegiancemusical.com/video/never-again
dncingmalkavian 15th-Dec-2011 01:42 am (UTC)
What. the. everliving fuck.

Actually, it's been in my mind for a little bit that some of this stuff might be related to OWS. The idea both scares the shit out of me and pisses me right off, the first because what the hell, America, we're supposed to be protected and supported by our government and the Constitution, not oppressed by it; and the second for the same reasons.

This is just horrible no matter how you slice it. And people wonder why I want to settle permanently in the Nordic countries.
____jonas 15th-Dec-2011 01:45 am (UTC)
It's great to see that they have a plan to deal with the civil unrest that will result from long-term unemployment, lack of economic opportunities, and lack of access to basic necessities.

We're so fucked, I don't whether to laugh or cry.
age_of_green 15th-Dec-2011 01:54 am (UTC)
We've received a facist state for Christmas. Joy. /Sarcasm ohGOD

Worse? My sister and I are both disabled-my family couldn't leave the country if things went to shit. Add to the fact that I'm gay, but still not all the way out makes me wonder if coming out is even safe now.
elmocho 15th-Dec-2011 03:35 pm (UTC)
If I get detained and thrown in prison, am I helping the prison industry? Will I be a job creator then?

I mean, I justify the people who built the prison, the people who staff the prison, my "rehabilitator"... that's at least three jobs! NOW do I get to complain?
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