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The Bible says you shouldn't pay teachers so much!

10:42 pm - 02/01/2012
According to Alabama state Sen. Shadrack McGill (R), the Bible says that increasing teacher salaries would only lead to less-qualified teachers. McGill said at a prayer breakfast that doubling teachers’ salaries — starting pay for Alabama teachers begins at $36,144 — would not help education. In fact, he said that keeping teacher pay low is a “Biblical principle“:

“If you double a teacher’s pay scale, you’ll attract people who aren’t called to teach.
“To go in and raise someone’s child for eight hours a day, or many people’s children for eight hours a day, requires a calling. It better be a calling in your life. I know I wouldn’t want to do it, OK?
“And these teachers that are called to teach, regardless of the pay scale, they would teach. It’s just in them to do. It’s the ability that God give ‘em. And there are also some teachers, it wouldn’t matter how much you would pay them, they would still perform to the same capacity.
“If you don’t keep that in balance, you’re going to attract people who are not called, who don’t need to be teaching our children. So, everything has a balance.”


McGill found justification in the Bible for not increasing teacher pay, but he evidently found nothing in scripture preventing him from approving a 67 percent pay increase for legislators in 2007, which increased annual salaries for the part-time legislators from $30,710 to $49,500. He said that the higher pay helped to stop corruption.

A 2011 report showed that while Alabama teachers have the highest starting salaries in the nation, the state lags far behind the national average for teacher pay. Currently, a part-time legislator in Alabama is making more than a full-time teacher with a Master’s degree and 15 years of experience.

source: think progress
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schexyschteve 2nd-Feb-2012 04:02 am (UTC)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How do these people even come up with this fucking shit? AND get people to eat it up.
layweed 2nd-Feb-2012 04:05 am (UTC)
Rly bro?
amyura 2nd-Feb-2012 04:10 am (UTC)
Yes, I'm a much better teacher when I spend the school day worried about being able to pay my bills, unable to get my hair cut or dress professionally because I can't afford to, paying mortgage or rent on a shitty home because it's all I can afford. I'm even better when I can't afford to buy food. And let's not bother discussing child care-- teachers shouldn't have kids, because it would compromise our "calling" to raise other people's children. And since these are the same people who want to outlaw birth control and abortion, I guess that means that teachers shouldn't have sex, either.

Hell, let's just go back to 1892, when it was okay to fire teachers for missing church or *gasp* getting married.
walkwithheroes 2nd-Feb-2012 04:29 am (UTC)
A+ to your comment.
anamatics 2nd-Feb-2012 04:11 am (UTC)
... are you kidding me?
thelilyqueen 2nd-Feb-2012 04:14 am (UTC)
1 Timothy 5:18, McGill:

'For the Scripture says, "Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain," and "The worker deserves his wages."'

Have ya read it?
pipsdixiechick 2nd-Feb-2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
THX BB!!!!!

Yeah um there is a difference about the love of $$$ being the root of all evil and being able to live a sustainable life when keeping up with rising costs everywhere.
ms_maree 2nd-Feb-2012 04:20 am (UTC)
Yeah, this argument is solid. Completely robust, I can't see anyone putting holes in such solid logic....
kalikahuntress 2nd-Feb-2012 04:20 am (UTC)
Alabama senator has very little reading comprehension and obviously can't understand the book he is quoting. He sounds like he is in dire need of a teacher himself so no sir, you are the perfect example of why we need teachers to be better paid.
13chapters 2nd-Feb-2012 04:23 am (UTC)
This is so incredibly ludicrous IDEK where to start. It's just so stupid I can't even get mad. Teachers are so absurdly undervalued. I worked as a teacher for two years while serving in the Peace Corps and you guys, that shit is HARD. My second year of service, most of the teachers in Bulgaria (including my school) went on strike for the first month and a half of the school year, and I bet the government wished they had thought of this excuse for paying teachers such an appalling salary. (The intro salary for a new teacher in Bulgaria is 200 leva a month - equivalent to 100 euros, or $133 US. And in case you're wondering, no, that isn't enough to live on.)
oxymoron67 2nd-Feb-2012 04:25 am (UTC)
I... this... what? My mom was a single mom and a schoolteacher. The only reason we didn't qualify for public assistance was that we were on Social Security. This did not make my mother a better teacher. It gave her migraines.

kyra_neko_rei 2nd-Feb-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
And what happens when people who are called to be teachers decide to do something else because, like reasonable people, they don't want to spend their lives being overworked and underpaid and micromanaged to the point where they can hardly succeed at the job they find their calling in doing?
curseangel 2nd-Feb-2012 05:26 am (UTC)
Seriously. I know a lot of people who would have loved to be teachers -- I've even considered it myself. But for them as well as me... the pay isn't enough. It simply isn't. Especially not if you have student loans, or a family, or...
kitbug 2nd-Feb-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
... I think I need to be a part time legislator in Alabama. But would I have to be lobotomized first?
tysephine 2nd-Feb-2012 08:37 am (UTC)
Sometimes I think a lobotomy would help me fit in better around here. *unfortunate enough to live in AL*
mdemvizi 2nd-Feb-2012 04:31 am (UTC)
Haha this is ridiculous.

So the numerous teachers I've had had and my friend's parents who have been teacher would do better if they were paid less? So them worrying about getting supplies for their classrooms, affording their kids educations who would eventually become teachers, or thinking about getting a second job. It is just fucking ridiculous.
mollywobbles867 2nd-Feb-2012 04:46 am (UTC)
Okay, in that case, let's pay doctors minimum wage. Wait...we can't do that? Why is that? Oh...because medicine is a stereotypical male field and education is a stereotypical female field? Huh. Funny that.

Edited at 2012-02-02 04:46 am (UTC)
ohloverx 2nd-Feb-2012 04:52 am (UTC)
You know what? Fuck this dude. Seriously. My fiance is a teacher in NC in an alternative school. He is the ONLY science teacher and has to teach kids from 6th through 12th grade! Some of his class periods are filled with not one, but TWO classes. So for half the class he'll teach one subject, and the other half he'll teach a different one while all the kids are still in the room together! And when those students of his fail a class because they refuse to come to school for three-fourths of a semester? It's his ass on the line for not being "good enough". He's had students in gangs threaten to put a hit out on him. He's had students actively tell him that they are purposely going to fail standardized tests to attempt to get him fired because they believe all teachers are shit. And for what?

He's been a teacher for three years now and after taxes, what does he make? Less than $30-fucking-thousand a year, and that is even factoring in the paltry $25 extra bucks he makes for doing after school tutoring each week! And they only allow him to count an hour of his time on tutoring each week, even though he works more than that because they don't want to give extra funding for it! And he's being required to pay for part of his insurance now on top of everything else because lawmakers believe teachers should hold more responsibility for that?

He loves what he does. He doesn't want to leave this profession because he feels like he was called to it and he doesn't want to abandon these kids who so desperately need someone who gives a shit. But NC is 49th out of 50 states on per student spending and people want to cut that spending and teacher pay even more! And now some ass hat wants to use the fucking Bible to justify the fact that my fiance and all the other teachers I know barely bring in enough to survive on? FUCK. YOU. FUCK. YOU. I. FUCKING. CAN'T.
crossfire 2nd-Feb-2012 04:43 pm (UTC)
Your fiance sounds like an amazing guy. It's people like him that matter in this world.
wikilobbying 2nd-Feb-2012 04:56 am (UTC)
then maybe we should cut your pay in half, senator, and see if that makes you a more qualified politician.
dustbunny105 2nd-Feb-2012 05:06 am (UTC)
According to Alabama state Sen. Shadrack McGill (R), the Bible says that increasing teacher salaries would only lead to less-qualified teachers.

Sounds legit! Seriously, though, I'm guessing that there are plenty of Christians who will believe this just because they don't know the Bible well enough to argue.

And there are also some teachers, it wouldn’t matter how much you would pay them, they would still perform to the same capacity.

Oh, yeah, no doubt. I had an ROTC instructor who was independently rather well-off and taught for supplemental income/the sake of teaching. Lots of teachers fit that bill, right?

He said that the higher pay helped to stop corruption.

... I got nothing. Every time I try to formulate a response, I start laughing.
the_gabih 2nd-Feb-2012 11:06 am (UTC)
I'm guessing that there are plenty of Christians who will believe this just because they don't know the Bible well enough to argue.

Probably. Though my Christian teacher mother would probably throw a fit if she knew people in positions of power were saying shit like that.
astridmyrna 2nd-Feb-2012 05:09 am (UTC)
*clears throat*

Your Bible does not belong in public education legislation.

Say it with me now, only slowly.

YOUR BIBLE. DOES NOT BELONG. IN PUBLIC EDUCATION LEGISLATION.
kishmet 2nd-Feb-2012 08:56 am (UTC)
Your Bible does not belong in public education legislation.

ftfy
bowtomecha 2nd-Feb-2012 05:51 am (UTC)
Lets see if he'll go for a pay cut to help keep the politicans that are truly called.
sarahofcroydon 2nd-Feb-2012 06:22 am (UTC)
By that logic, surely every job is a ~calling~. Being a CEO, it's a calling! They'd do it without pay anyway! Don't give them financial incentive otherwise they'd become power and money hungry assholes keen on exploiting their workfo---

wait
romp 2nd-Feb-2012 06:47 am (UTC)
I think the verse he's referring to is, "It's mainly women working for some money. They don't need much."

People still invoke that in libraries and, I suspect, other women-heavy fields.
i_amthecosmos 2nd-Feb-2012 04:24 pm (UTC)
Oh they do. I've heard people call social work a calling in much the same manner-no need to pay such virtuous people well.
sashafarce 2nd-Feb-2012 08:02 am (UTC)
Man, I didn't think teachers in Alabama made that much money. I was sure it was much lower. (I live here.) I'm impressed we pay our underrated and overworked even that much.
tysephine 2nd-Feb-2012 08:41 am (UTC)
I know right? I figured it was somewhere around $22,000 maybe. I guess the Alabama Educators' Union is good for something, huh? That's actually not a bad wage considering the shit wages in this state, though nowhere near what they deserve of course.
johnjie 2nd-Feb-2012 09:00 am (UTC)
God, save me from your fucking followers.

On the other hand, though, maybe we should take away that increase in his wage, and see how his job performance alters?
the_gabih 2nd-Feb-2012 11:04 am (UTC)
So clearly all the bankers and politicians in the world are not called to lead in finance and politics, they're just in it for the money. The argument works both ways, yanno.
zombieroadtrip 2nd-Feb-2012 11:50 am (UTC)
This Republican anti-education attitude only brings to my mind the laughable budget cuts that caused my 4th, 5th, and 6th grade years to be taught in the same room. By the same teacher. At once. That's three grades being educated by one person throughout a standard eight hour school day. My 7th and 8th grade years were also taught in the same room at the same time by one teacher. Quality. Clearly enough people weren't hearing the "calling" for those years.
tabaqui 2nd-Feb-2012 12:41 pm (UTC)
Omg. FUCK HIM. Seriously. What a giant, revolting asshat.
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