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Santorum: Religious Freedom Is Not Supported By President Obama and Hillary Clinton

5:46 pm - 02/27/2012

LIVONIA, Mich. -- Rick Santorum continued to talk about the separation of church and state one day before Michigan voters go to the polls on Tuesday, but insisted that this was not a distraction from discussing the economy and jobs but rather a core part of the argument he is making about economic and religious freedom.

Santorum also came close to calling Secretary of State HiIlary Clinton the "first lady," and then said that she and President Barack Obama are not for religious freedom but rather talk about "freedom of worship." Santorum said this term is an indication that Obama and Clinton want to tell churches and people of faith how they can live their lives when they are not in their place of worship.

Here's a transcript from this portion of Santorum's speech to the local chamber of commerce, in a hall next to the Basilica of St. Mary, an Antiochian Orthodox parish.

"You hear so much about separation of church and state. I'm for separation of church and state. The state has no business telling what the church to do. The separation of church and state that our founders believed in, which is what I just described, has now been turned on its head. And now it's the church, people of faith, who have no right to come to the public square and express their points of view, or practice their faith outside of their church.

"Listen to what the president and the first—not the first lady but the secretary of state said, when they talk about the freedom of religion. They don't use that term all the time. They use a different term: freedom of worship. We're here at a hall at St. Mary's. You go in the hall over there, you go in the sanctuary, you can talk all you want. You can have your religious faith. But if you come here, and you try to practice your faith, uh uh. No, then the government's going to tell you what to do. Is that how you interpret the First Amendment? Freedom of worship is not just what you do within the sanctuary. It's how you practice your faith outside the sanctuary. And at least in the America I grew up in, that used to be around; that was freedom of religion.

"All the reporters are about to say, 'There goes Santorum, talking about social issues again.' No, I'm talking about freedom. This is an election about freedom. It's about whether you buy into government can do things better for you than you can do for yourself. I don't buy into that. I've never bought into that."


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13chapters 28th-Feb-2012 12:57 am (UTC)
I'm for separation of church and state.

Am I losing my mind, or did he not just say that separation of church and state makes him want to throw up yesterday?
angelus7988 28th-Feb-2012 01:37 am (UTC)
Backpedal faster, Lois is still dead!
elegantenigma 28th-Feb-2012 01:00 am (UTC)
Oh boo-fucking-hoo, Santorum. Are your 15 minutes up soon? I am completely sick of this guy already.
cadaver_andante 28th-Feb-2012 01:05 am (UTC)
part of me wants him to get the nom because it might be easier for obama to beat him, but his chances of being president jumping up to about 50% really terrifies me... i can't trust this country rn because if he's not getting huge amounts of backlash for the ignorant shit he says something is seriously going wrong up in here.
asinbumble 28th-Feb-2012 05:42 am (UTC)
I feel the same way. I mean, I'm pretty convinced that there's no way Santorum can win over enough Independents to win, but the minimal backlash is... worrying.
tabaqui 28th-Feb-2012 01:12 am (UTC)
FUCK YOU! Omfg, he just said the separation of church and state makes him want to throw up!

And no, jackass, you can't make people pray or listen to your prayers in a *public* *government* building. ASS HOLE.
walkwithheroes 28th-Feb-2012 01:22 am (UTC)
Did he fail his classes on government? Every time he speaks, I want to bang my head against my desk.
shadwrayvn 28th-Feb-2012 01:31 am (UTC)
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bostondreamer 28th-Feb-2012 02:35 am (UTC)
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anjak_j 28th-Feb-2012 01:34 am (UTC)
This fucker needs to make his mind up. One day he's hollering about how separation of church and state makes him "want to throw up," and the next he's "for separation of church and state".

Also, I'm really fucking sick of terms like 'religious' and 'people of faith' as synonyms for 'Christian'. Being religious or a person of faith isn't something exclusive to Christians as much as assholes like Frothy would like that to be the case. And I'm pretty fucking sure this guy wouldn't fight for the right of a group of skyclad Pagans to practice their faith in the 'public square', despite his whining that people aren't allowed to be 'religious' outside of their church and home.
sweetwaterpink 28th-Feb-2012 02:41 am (UTC)
He dun goof yesterday by letting the cat out of the bag too soon. IMO he was honest about how he would govern if he's elected. Now, it's backpedal time. He felt the heat. It remind me of the TBGOP talking about jobs, jobs, jobs. They got elected and haven't pass one jobs bill.
zeitgeistic 28th-Feb-2012 01:35 am (UTC)
she and President Barack Obama are not for religious freedom but rather talk about "freedom of worship."

I...don't understand what the diff is? One is the freedom to have or have not whatever religion you want, and the other is to do or do not the worshiping [active display of religion] you want. Basically the same thing.
lexiloumarie 28th-Feb-2012 03:52 am (UTC)
See religious freedom is code for "christians to be free to be as christian as they want," everyone else be damned - pun intended. Freedom of worship means you might support other faiths, or no faith, or those evil protesta....wait he can't actually say that yet. :/

/me bashing my head off of my desk.
angelus7988 28th-Feb-2012 01:39 am (UTC)
Obama and Clinton want to tell churches and people of faith how they can live their lives when they are not in their place of worship.

Have you not heard of laws? That's what they do; tell people how to live their lives.
tonsillitis 28th-Feb-2012 01:46 am (UTC)
what do you mean i can't murder people and rob banks don't tell me how to live!!!!
babysinclair 28th-Feb-2012 02:14 am (UTC)
So what I got from this is that the Church can tell the State what to do but the State can't tell the Church what to do...

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emofordino 28th-Feb-2012 03:30 am (UTC)
that's what i'm getting from this mess.
sweetwaterpink 28th-Feb-2012 02:35 am (UTC)
I'm so sick of Santorum and the American Taliban telling everyone else how to live their lives. It also scares me shitless that he's made it this far. Part of me is "lololol, he can't possible beat Obama" but I still remember the 2000 and 2004 elections. I never ever thought GWB would win those two.
jjj 28th-Feb-2012 02:43 am (UTC)
"there goes santorum, talking about social issues and running his image into the ground because he's an idiot!"
roguebelle 28th-Feb-2012 03:17 am (UTC)
I swear by my many pagan deities, if I ever get the chance to talk to this fuck -- if by some horrifying quirk of fate he gets the nomination and campaigns in Virginia -- I am going to ask him why his religion gets to trump mine. I would like to force him to answer that question, out loud, preferably on camera and with a lot of fucking people watching. I want him to have to fucking flat-out say that he thinks Christianity deserves preferential treatment from the government, and that the rest of us can go fuck ourselves.
kaisenji 28th-Feb-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
I would watch the shit out of this bbs.

/Pagan too
lexiloumarie 28th-Feb-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
Well the good news is he's completely and totally lost the moderate to conservative (politically not denomination)Jewish vote with all of this, just judging by the old Jewish relatives I've got. So that's part of Florida right there.
asinbumble 28th-Feb-2012 05:46 am (UTC)
I'm for separation of church and state. The state has no business telling what the church to do.

Because that's clearly the problem here.
seasight 28th-Feb-2012 06:19 am (UTC)
mollywobbles867 28th-Feb-2012 06:37 am (UTC)


I knew I should've thrown glitter on him when he was at a church ten minutes from my house this weekend. I slept in instead.

Edited at 2012-02-28 06:44 am (UTC)
hello_ilu 28th-Feb-2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
...either we're in the same city or he went to a church somewhere else Sunday. huh.
schmanda 28th-Feb-2012 06:45 am (UTC)
And now it's the church, people of faith, who have no right to come to the public square and express their points of view,



The God botherers really need to find them a new song. The "Oh woe, the unceasing persecution of us!" one is 1) inaccurate, and 2) played the fuck out.
riath 28th-Feb-2012 09:53 am (UTC)
The state has no business telling what the church to do.

But it's a-okay for religion, read "Christians", to poke their noses into affairs of the state. I gotcha now. You need to back-pedal faster, you're not fooling anyone with this tripe.
oudeteron 28th-Feb-2012 04:02 pm (UTC)
Freedom for bigots to say and legislate bigoted things! Of course he cares about that "freedom".
asinbumble 28th-Feb-2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
Santorum Backs Away From JFK ‘Throw Up’ Remark: ‘I Wish I Had That Particular Line Back’

Asked about Santorum’s remarks during his press conference this morning, Mitt Romney said, “I respect President Kennedy and his expression of his own views. And I felt that his speech was an indication of those views. My speech was an indication of views that were somewhat different. Religion certainly has a place in the public square.”

Alright then.
just_say_narf 29th-Feb-2012 02:28 am (UTC)
"The state has no business telling what the church to do."

Flip "state" and "church" in that statement and Santorum would be first in line to cry persecution.
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