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Ron Paul: No Federal Relief for Tornado Victims

7:35 pm - 03/05/2012
Standing by his libertarian principles, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul reiterated his opposition to the Federal Emergency Management Agency when he said victims of the deadly tornadoes that hit Kentucky should not receive federal aid.

Last week, a series of storms across the South and Midwest caused injury, property damage and killed dozens, including small towns in Kentucky and southern Indiana.

The Texas congressman said the role of the federal government is to restore order and provide shelter through the National Guard, but that people affected by the storms should buy insurance instead.

“The people who live in tornado alley, just as I live in hurricane alley, they should have insurance,” he said.

Rather than federal funds, Paul argues there is plenty of generous and compassionate Americans who are willing to give after a disaster hits.

Ironically, Congressman Paul’s son, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who has also been a libertarian voice in Congress, wrote a letter to President Obama on Monday morning urging him to support a request for a major disaster declaration for Kentucky that would result in federal funds being released.

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nina_vendredi 6th-Mar-2012 01:22 am (UTC)
Because you know, insurance pays out instantly. If you've got no address for them to send the check to, and didn't have food and water in your emergency supplies, well it's your own fault for not having a second home.
tiger0range 6th-Mar-2012 10:15 pm (UTC)
Actually, most insurance companies arrange a place to stay while you wait for your home to be rebuilt. They even pay the rent for you in some cases. Which does and doesn't matter as you are still on the hook for your house payments, but it's still nice to not have to worry about that aspect.
violetrose 6th-Mar-2012 01:23 am (UTC)
Yet amazingly, in the real world, not everyone can afford insurance, nor does it always cover everything. Not to mention, what about damaged infrastructure, such as roads, hospitals, schools, etc?
mdemvizi 6th-Mar-2012 01:25 am (UTC)
I am pretty sure insurance doesn't cover destruction of roads, bridges, hospitals, schools, etc. You are an idiot Ron Paul.

UGH. My brother stans this man like nothing else and I am pretty sure he has been brainwashed.
dixiedolphin 6th-Mar-2012 01:40 am (UTC)
To Ron Paul:

There is no "hurricane alley," you blithering idiot! Also, not everyone can afford insurance--and many insurances don't cover specific common natural disasters in certain areas. AND... insurance doesn't do anything to repair basic civic infrastructure. Nor does insurance provide immediate support to someone whose entire house has just been reduced to rubble. No mailbox, no mailed checks!

Damnit, I hate this guy so much.
amyura 6th-Mar-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
This so much. We had the choice of exactly TWO companies for homeowners' insurance-- I'm in a union, and even the union's insurance wouldn't touch us. We don't live in a high-risk zone at ALL, but because our town touches the ocean, even though we're about four miles inland and pretty much immune from any risk you could associate with waterfront property, it's still high enough risk for the insurance carriers.
citiesburning 6th-Mar-2012 01:42 am (UTC)
AHHHHH. I FUCKING HATE HIM SO MUCH.

ALSO, where does he live in hurricane alley? - isn't he from Texas? Is Tx actually part of HA.

Edited at 2012-03-06 01:42 am (UTC)
citiesburning 6th-Mar-2012 01:44 am (UTC)
AND DID HE REPEAT THIS NOW? LIKE BESIDES EVERYTHING, HOW FUCKING INSENSITIVE. PEOPLE ARE FUCKING DYING. I hate him so much, I cannot even. I'm quite sure there is literally no one/ nothing I hate more than RP.
spyral_path 6th-Mar-2012 01:42 am (UTC)
I think Ron Paul and his followers must be incapable of recognizing where integrity becomes idiocy. They're probably admiring him for having the guts to say this even though Kentucky and Indiana both have up coming primaries.
lux_roark 6th-Mar-2012 01:44 am (UTC)
We had a tornado warning in 2009 in San Diego county. I can't think of anyone that I know who would even have tornado insurance where I live. Plus, tornadoes have happened in all 50 states (I know this fact because my son wants to be an "extreme meteorologist" when he grows up).
dark_puck 6th-Mar-2012 01:46 am (UTC)
Tornadoes, I have found, can happen anywhere on the planet -- even over ocean. Sure, Tornado Alley is where they happen the most, but that doesn't mean they only happen there.
emeraldus 6th-Mar-2012 01:51 am (UTC)
Because insurance companies have never weaseled out of paying claims. Right. Tell that to people in New Orleans.
phrenolepsy 6th-Mar-2012 02:07 am (UTC)
How about thinking of the federal relief as being a large, organized effort to help on behalf of many, many generous and compassionate Americans? I have zero problems with my taxes going towards disaster relief.
bnmc2005 6th-Mar-2012 02:16 am (UTC)
Well thank you for putting that out there Mr. Paul. I have always known why I don't like you but now I don't have to explain it to other people anymore.
angry_chick 6th-Mar-2012 02:25 am (UTC)
So much for that rEVOLution there, huh, Paul?
citiesburning 6th-Mar-2012 02:35 am (UTC)
THIS EXACTLY. Find me one example of love in any point of his campaign. GO. DO IT.
bushy_brow 6th-Mar-2012 02:38 am (UTC)
What a waste of good oxygen.
carolpent 6th-Mar-2012 02:46 am (UTC)
Oh Ron Paul, never change.
jaded110 6th-Mar-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
Hate him. Hate him, Hate him, Hate him.
amyura 6th-Mar-2012 03:40 am (UTC)
He is SUCH a fucking douchebag. I still can't get over last summer when he was saying that the people in fucking VERMONT should have known better than to build in a high-risk area without insurance. Because Vermont is such a high risk for hurricanes.
13chapters 6th-Mar-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
I...don't even know what to fucking say. It's like this guy is from another universe where everything about humans and society is radically different from this one.
evilgmbethy 6th-Mar-2012 04:04 am (UTC)
keep talking, Ron Paul. People need to realize what kind of crazy shit libertarianism is.
granting 6th-Mar-2012 04:28 am (UTC)
This article does kinda remind me that: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/the_red_state_ripoff.html
hinoema 6th-Mar-2012 04:42 am (UTC)
As soon as I heard about the tornadoes I thought "Cue some fool yapping about FEMA."

When I read this, I thought "Ron Paul is still talking?" He must still think he's running. (Bludstone is still MIA, so probably.)
schmanda 6th-Mar-2012 05:04 am (UTC)
I was going to add that Kasich turned down federal aid for Ohio, but it looks like he might be approaching a 180 on that in the past few hours (asking for a FEMA distaster team to come in).
aintshesweet_x 6th-Mar-2012 05:07 am (UTC)
Um, no. I live in Kentucky and I have several friends and family in Southern Indiana. So, excuse you, Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is ridiculous. Ugh.
kerrence 6th-Mar-2012 07:18 am (UTC)
oh Ron Paul, you insufferable piece of shit, there are still people in your very district fighting with insurance companies over Ike damage because they will not pay for damages, even if the homeowner paid for wind/water/flood insurance
k0liverbby 6th-Mar-2012 02:15 pm (UTC)
reminds me of the ice storms, my hometown of paducah was a mess. The power was out everywhere and most people even with insurance couldn't get on the roads to get things like generators even if they could afford them. And no generator, no power = no heat when it was literally getting almost below 0
sashafarce 6th-Mar-2012 07:28 am (UTC)
The people who live in tornado alley, just as I live in hurricane alley, they should have insurance

Man oh man. WARNING YOU ALL NOW, THIS IS A SORE SPOT. Nineteen years ago my house, church, and about half the houses in my community at the time, were destroyed in a tornado. In Alabama, tornadoes are expected, sure. My perspective is slightly different as my grandmother wasn't a homeowner; in her case, however, she did not have renter's insurance (or a telephone, or cable TV, or new cars etc). Things called "buying groceries" and "clothing a growing kid with health problems" won out priority there, and we were flat broke from moving into into our own place three weeks before the tornado hit, after not being able to financially afford a house of our own for a year and a half prior.

Did the community help? Sure did, as much as a community hit like ours could be. Belk's and Dillard's from a nearby town donated massive piles of clothing for us to go through and pick out what we needed. Volunteer organizations gave us shelf-stable groceries, and individuals helped us move what we could salvage out of the crumpled mess that was our 100+ year old rental home.

Without federal financial assistance, however, we would have been royally fucked. It bought clothes when most of ours were no longer wearable due to tiny pieces of imbedded glass or water damage or having mostly been on the clothesline that morning. It bought dishes and blankets and soap and deodorant and a month of storage facilities and two months of a temporary rental so we would no longer be sleeping on various relatives' couches and eventually helped us get a long-term place to live.

Having to choose between renter's insurance and keeping us fed and housed, I'm sure my grandmother would have made the same decision. She worked a physically debilitating job making what was considered a good wage for the area but would be considered ridiculous in more populated areas even then just to keep us afloat, which didn't always happen. But she paid taxes just like everyone else, and thus she deserved the relatively meager federal assistance we received. Even if we had insurance, as a former employee in the insurance field, I know from experience that shit takes its sweet-ass time paying out. Ron Paul's way basically says "fuck the poor, this is social and economical survival of the fittest." If he thinks some magical converging of money is going to happen out of pocket and take care of things, he is mistaken and also fortunate to be wealthy enough to withstand this kind of disaster if it happened to him.

TL;DR: Fuck Ron Paul. (As if I didn't say that every day anyway.)

Edited at 2012-03-06 07:31 am (UTC)
k0liverbby 6th-Mar-2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
It's such a backwards thinking because people assume any federal assistance they get, is robbing everyone else, though that person pays taxes like everyone else. And we all use some of that money one way or another.

A guy was arguing with me on twitter about ~moral hazard~, i guess some buzzword he learned at libertarian conference. And how the government is so corrupt and people hit by tornadoes are taking tax payers money. There's this huge misconception that people without home insurance or renters insurance apparently get a new house from FEMA
blunder_buss 6th-Mar-2012 07:35 am (UTC)
But ... that doesn't even make sense even from an economic perspective. If a town is heavily damaged, then it can't contribute to the US economy. The quicker that everything gets fixed and people get back to their jobs, the faster they start earning and spending money again. So how is that less economically responsible than just letting the entire place rot?
bludstone 6th-Mar-2012 07:11 pm (UTC)
Sure it does. The micros of the city lead to Prices go up after disaster, only the people who need it the most get the supplies, plus it drives other people to enter the disaster zone and take place of the raised prices. That doesnt even consider the huge generosity of neighboring people, and the state emergency agency.

I agree with ron paul that there is no need for a FEDERAL agency. The states each have their own, and can help neighboring states when in need. Its simply a shift of responsibility from federal to local level.

You also should kinda have insurance against these things. Thats just responsibility. If you are inclined to, you should help people.

He wrote some stuff about it here:

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/09/ron-paul-explains-why-fema-shouldnt-help-with-wildfires-or-anything-else/
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