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Turkey's online asexuality awareness organization shuts downs

7:42 pm - 03/05/2012
Asexual Turks are struggling to maintain their sense of community in a country whose cultural mores often cloud the meaning of what it means to be asexual. According to researchers, 1 percent of the world population is asexual, which describes people who lack sexual attraction to others or lack interest in sex.

Burcu Sufi Demirtürk, 28, is a former asexual who constructed the first Internet website bringing together around 1,000 asexual people in Turkey four years ago.


Demirtürk said they had addressed a wide mass of people thanks to Aseksuel Online, which is no longer active. She said the knowledge of the first 300 people had made a big contribution to the website.

“But over time, we realized that this group of people was the wrong one. We saw many people who are homosexual but cannot have sexual intercourse because of religious and social reasons defined themselves asexual,” she said.

'Situation better five years ago'
“People in the organization began thinking that ‘asexual people may be interested in their own gender but they cannot make love emotionally.’ This thought annoyed those who were really asexual and neutral about sex. Also, people who had other reasons not to have sexual intercourse used to define themselves as asexual and this situation negatively affected the organization,”
Demirtürk said.

Addressing the feelings of being asexual in a country where sex is a taboo, Demirtürk said Aseksuel Online was warmly welcomed in Turkey since asexuality was not a sin. She said they had even received positive reactions from religious authorities. “They said ‘sexual relationships must be forbidden until marriage.’”

Demirtürk said the situation was better five years ago. “First of all, mutual understanding should develop in Turkey. I don’t define myself as an asexual right now. Because there is a special person in my life and we are planning to marry. But I think people should spend some part of their life as an asexual. A part of my soul is still asexual,” she said.

Demirtürk said she had received harsh reactions from the asexual community about her decision to marry. “For the first time in my life, I feel that I love someone. When you love someone, you give up many things. Yes, they might have been disappointed. Some think that this decision is wrong for me. But like I said, the mystery of marriage is very different,” she said.

According to some, asexuality is a “tendency,” while according to others, it is a “preference.” The issue has caused discussion among asexual people, with some saying that those who cannot have sexual intercourse because of religious and cultural reasons are different from asexuals.

According to doctors, this situation is not a problem theoretically, but it becomes a problem when people are “stigmatized.” If sex is considered important for the progression of a relationship, it would be very difficult to find a person who maintains a relationship without having sexual intercourse. It does not mean, however, that people who do not want sex will spend their life alone.

The largest organization uniting asexual people around the world is the U.K.-based Asexual Visibility and Education Network (AVEN). The organization, which has been active for 11 years, has branches in various countries and languages. Aseksuel Online was AVEN’s Turkish-language option.


‘New Turkish Asexual organization is necessary’
Many asexual people in Turkey have voiced calls for a new organization while others say they discovered their asexuality thanks to the Aseksuel Online website, which is no longer active.

“There was an unbelievable synergy when the website was first founded. But later on, homosexual people began to call themselves asexual. This was damaging to us because asexual people have very unique feelings. The Aseksual Online website will return one day but this day will be determined by people living in this country,” said 41-year-old O.S.

Another person, V.K., 59, said s/he spent all his/her life as an asexual. “We are fragile, childish people but we can be harsh when necessary. It is very hard for us even to hug someone.

Friendships made through Aseksuel Online are unforgettable. Also, knowing [site founder Burcu Sufi] Demirtürk was fortunate for us. Her life dynamic is unbelievable. Her childhood is our reality. Even if she gets married, it will not change.”

source: Hurriyet Daily News (English edition)
chaya 6th-Mar-2012 03:32 am (UTC)
*shuts down
kamottle 6th-Mar-2012 03:42 am (UTC)
I...what? I think asexuals are capable of loving someone romantically but not feeling sexually attracted to them.

I honestly feel like it's only western countries that give distinctions between LGBTA(etc).
rex_dart 6th-Mar-2012 03:51 am (UTC)
I honestly feel like it's only western countries that give distinctions between LGBTA(etc).

What? Like everyone else just dumps everyone into one big group?
kamottle 6th-Mar-2012 03:58 am (UTC)
Yes, sorry I didn't expound. Where I live most people see sexuality as a person either being straight or gay/lesbian, and some people acknowledging that bisexuality does exist. Asexuality, transgender, etc. are foreign concepts to many people.
rex_dart 6th-Mar-2012 07:16 am (UTC)
I see, I totally misread what you were trying to say.

I feel like asexuality is not commonly known at all in the west, and most people know very, very little about people who are trans or what that means. There's very little real understanding and a good deal of people think just the way you described.
kamottle 6th-Mar-2012 05:18 pm (UTC)
Damn, that's disheartening. I guess too much time on the internet & in this community made me think otherwise.
chaya 6th-Mar-2012 03:59 am (UTC)
I've seen it argued that the only thing the whole 'alphabet soup' has in common to begin with is that we're oppressed by the majority for transgressing rules of sexual or gender norms.
rex_dart 6th-Mar-2012 04:03 am (UTC)
I think that's a dangerously broad definition. It includes a lot of straight/non-queer people who just don't ~act like expected.
chaya 6th-Mar-2012 04:05 am (UTC)
I hasten to point out that the argument isn't that everyone who's oppressed by those norms is in the alphabet soup, but rather that the one thing binding 'alphabet soup' is that they all face that kind of oppression.
firerosearien 6th-Mar-2012 05:07 am (UTC)
"I think asexuals are capable of loving someone romantically but not feeling sexually attracted to them."

That describes me to a t.
ameonna 6th-Mar-2012 05:42 am (UTC)
Aromantic?
zaure 6th-Mar-2012 05:46 am (UTC)
What...about it?

*is one of those people*
zaure 6th-Mar-2012 01:56 pm (UTC)
Oh. I call myself an aromantic homosexual.

But no, there's not really a term for it, I don't think. I'm not asexual either. It's kind of a sucky position to be in, tbh.
qable 6th-Mar-2012 05:53 am (UTC)
Your sexual orientation, your romantic orientation, and how amorous you happen to be are three very distinct yet frequently overlapping things.
dustbunny105 6th-Mar-2012 05:56 am (UTC)
If you don't feel romantic love, you're aromantic. It's not really opposite, though, since both sexual people and asexual people can be aromantic or romantic.
firerosearien 6th-Mar-2012 11:42 pm (UTC)
I am not sure what the nomenclature for that would be, but that would describe my cousin, who considers herself polyamorous
seasight 6th-Mar-2012 03:53 am (UTC)
Um, sorry mods. I submitted the wrong post. Again. :/

I'm gonna step away from the computer now...
rex_dart 6th-Mar-2012 03:56 am (UTC)
No worries. :D
armless_phelan 6th-Mar-2012 04:28 am (UTC)
Very interesting discussion if nothing else, of gay people identifying as asexual (as opposed to, say, abstinent) because of religious or cultural beliefs. I can kind of see where the Turkish asexual community would be annoyed. Kind of. But nonetheless, the closing of this website is the loss of a much needed resource for the people of Turkey.
nekokonneko 6th-Mar-2012 05:31 am (UTC)
So LGBT people from turkey are so self-hating and ashamed that they're trying to identify as asexual rather than acknowledge that they're queer, and all you have to say is how frustrating it is for the asexual community? Yeah that's the real pressing issue here. :/
armless_phelan 6th-Mar-2012 05:34 am (UTC)
This article is about the Turkish Asexual community, so that was the perspective I was looking at it from. Of course it's horrible how many gay people are treating themselves and full of self-loathing, but that wasn't the topic of the article.
nekokonneko 6th-Mar-2012 05:44 am (UTC)
the article overlooking that as the real tragedy is pretty fucked is what i'm saying
zombieroadtrip 6th-Mar-2012 08:12 am (UTC)
The fact that it was so glossed over is disheartening. The lonely, sexless, neutered "model queer" that so many religions and cultures demand is reason number one why I dislike any claim asexuals make that there is a "privileged" sexual community.
redstar826 6th-Mar-2012 02:47 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it seems like any time 'sexual privilege' comes up, it's a discussion of things that apply to straight cis dudes and no one else.
qable 6th-Mar-2012 05:26 am (UTC)
It's sad to hear the site has been taken down. I'm sure it was a valuable resource to both the asexual and celibate gay communities in Turkey.
zombieroadtrip 6th-Mar-2012 08:10 am (UTC)
“There was an unbelievable synergy when the website was first founded. But later on, homosexual people began to call themselves asexual. This was damaging to us because asexual people have very unique feelings.

It must be terrible to have a community that addresses specific issues for a specific community and outside groups decide to co-opt the term to the point of meaningless.
ellonwye 6th-Mar-2012 10:44 am (UTC)
Which terms have asexuals rendered meaningless specifically?
zombieroadtrip 6th-Mar-2012 11:11 am (UTC)
Queer, and they haven't yet but seem to be making a valiant attempt.
ellonwye 6th-Mar-2012 12:03 pm (UTC)
Ah. It feels complicated. Homo-romantic and also arguably aromantic asexuals I would describe as queer, but not hetero-romantic. But they are all covered under asexuality. (I won't even get into demis and grey-ace's because I really don't understand them)

But this is from my understanding of the term queer and it might be outdated.

Edited at 2012-03-06 12:04 pm (UTC)
kishmet 7th-Mar-2012 07:00 am (UTC)
I loled at the beautiful irony

And by 'loled' I mean people can stop co-opting queer labels for non-queer groups goddammit
patu_paiarehe 6th-Mar-2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
So this is like... it sucks to be ace because religion and society in Turkey actually don't give a shit/ approve? Yeah, terrible life.

I think, as someone pointed out upthread, the more pressing issue here is that of the queer people pushed into defining themselves as asexual rather than their true identity. That's fucked up, and even more fucked up when you have the asexual people complaining about how it's ruining 'their' community.
redstar826 6th-Mar-2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
But later on, homosexual people began to call themselves asexual. This was damaging to us because asexual people have very unique feelings.

OH, OKAY. Just once, can we have a discussion about asexuality without shitting on queer people, especially queer people who have basically had asexuality forced on them in order to survive?
rex_dart 6th-Mar-2012 04:29 pm (UTC)
but sexual privilege!
pandaseal 6th-Mar-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
I second this motion.

I honestly don't even mind including aces under the QUILTBAG umbrella, but god damn it, queer people do not have enough power to be the root of fuckery towards asexaul people.
luchador_kaiju 7th-Mar-2012 02:04 am (UTC)
I was horribly bothered by that comment, too.

This site closing done is sad news for those who do need it. I know AVEN was a HUGE help for me and figuring myself out.

However, fuck that person. I found the comment to be more troubling.
odannygirl7 7th-Mar-2012 03:29 am (UTC)
Yeah, this could have been handled a lot better. I don't really understand why this group couldn't make a safe place for queer people. There's no reason not to be helpful to those that need it. (as long as everyone is respectful of other's identities... like not assuming that everyone who is asexual is really using the identity to hide, and not being ass's to those who are using the identity to hide.)


odannygirl7 7th-Mar-2012 03:53 am (UTC)
Also, I'd like to point out that they've had celibacy forced on them, not necessarily asexuality (thought sometimes, outwardly, it can look similar). They don't want them to have sex. Asexuals can and do have sex... I don't think anyone who hates gay people would be super okay with asexuals who have sex with someone of the same gender just because they never experience sexual attraction to them.
redstar826 7th-Mar-2012 04:00 am (UTC)
I can't speak for how it goes down in Turkey, but in my experience there are people who expect gay people to stop being sexually attracted to people of the same-sex
odannygirl7 7th-Mar-2012 08:35 am (UTC)
Oh yeah, totally, I'm sure there are. Sorry, didn't mean to imply that stuff like that never happened. I just wanted to point out that being asexual (attraction focused only, not looking at behavior) wasn't a get out of jail free card, it's just that most people assume that asexuals never have sex and that's why it's the safer way. But, yeah... I'm sure they'd like it a whole lot better if gay people would start being sexually attracted to the opposite sex, but maybe they take what they can with no sexual attraction what so ever. (though I know that gets frowned upon religiously, at least in the us, because you're then denying god's gift of sexuality.) Such a narrow box of acceptable sexuality there is.
redstar826 7th-Mar-2012 03:31 pm (UTC)
It's relatively common to both believe that gay people cannot become straight but also to believe that gay people should try their hardest to abstain from both sexual activities and sexual thoughts. For instance, I'm pretty sure this is the official position of the Catholic church. I've heard the same at an Evangelical church as well.

I'm not aware of any major denomination in the US which teaches that all people are called by God to be sexual. Which isn't to say that there aren't people who believe that, I'm just not aware of any large group of Christians which has that as official policy.
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