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Massive Protest in Quebec Against Tuition Fees Hikes

1:21 am - 03/23/2012

MONTREAL - There was no denying the magnitude of the message delivered by striking university and CÉGEP students on Thursday, as tens of thousands of them marched peacefully - albeit noisily - through the streets of Montreal to denounce the provincial government’s plan to raise tuition fees.

The scope of this student movement could suddenly be seen and protesters themselves could be heard muttering reverential “wows” and “awesome” as they surveyed the crowd, estimated at 200,000 by student organizers, but believed to be somewhat lower by police who don’t give official numbers. [OP's note: this video - in French - says that the police have now confirmed the 200,000 number. This is a lot of people, approximately 0.25% of the population of Quebec. As a comparison, 0.25% of the population of the USA would be 8 million people.]

Still, it was impressive - likely matching or surpassing the huge pre-referendum rally in 1995 and said by organizers to have spanned 50 city blocks.

Sporting symbolic red felt squares and red tank tops, coveralls, kilts and anything else they could find, the students congregated at Peel St. and René Levesque Blvd. for a couple of hours, enjoying the summery day and a festive atmosphere before the actual march through downtown and into Old Montreal.

Although at times it was hard to tell if it was a party or a protest, there was an undercurrent of anger as students demanded that Premier Jean Charest back down from his plan to hike tuition by $1,625 over five years. Only two days after the budget confirmed the higher fees, students spoke passionately about preserving accessibility. One sign said: “Sorry for the inconvenience. We are trying to change the world” and many students made reference to the Arab Spring uprising last year with placards that read: “Printemps Érable.”

Students said early in the day that one measure of success would be a peaceful demonstration, and it was. Police said there were no arrests. Students were joined by parents and even grandparents, and lots of families with young children came out to show their support as well.

So despite some pockets of masked protesters and Black Bloc militants, the family-friendly protest went off without a hitch - unless you were a motorist trying to navigate your way through the city which was a traffic nightmare for much of the day.

Montreal Police said the demonstration, one of the biggest ever in the city, was an example of how smoothly things can go when students share the route in advance.

“This way we’re there to intervene right away,” said Ian Lafrenière of the police, saying there were trouble spots but police were able to act quickly to disperse the problems.

Although last November’s march, with about 30,000 protesters, was peaceful, it ended with an occupation at McGill University that brought riot police onto campus in a very contentious operation. And there have been confrontations with riot police at many of the almost daily protests in the last couple of weeks.

But it was a different kind of crowd on Thursday. Chris Naismith, an engineering student at Concordia University, did the march carrying his two-and-a-half-year-old daughter, Stella, in his arms. “I can’t imagine how much it will cost to send her to university,” he said.

Loreto Carnevale has seven children under the age of 11 and he marched because he’s worried. “Education is the basis of society,” he said.

Students started the day Thursday with a huge boost of support from Quebec’s largest labour unions and political opposition parties. Parti Québecois leader Pauline Marois attended a press conference with the Fédération étudiante collégiale du Québec and the Fédération étudiante universitaire du Québec and vowed to cancel any tuition hike if the PQ forms the next government.

“Universities and CÉGEPs are paralyzed. All of Quebec is losing,” Marois said. “This is a new tax for the middle class and it is unacceptable.”

Léo Bureau-Blouin, president of FECQ, said one of the most important measures of the protest was that it be peaceful, saying students had about 150 of their own security staff and paramedics to monitor the crowd.

“If even 100 people in a crowd of thousands want to make some trouble, it can happen,” he said.

As for Charest’s contention in Quebec City that “the government will never stop listening” to students, FEUQ leader Martine Desjardins scoffed. “They are not open to discussion. We have sent letters and emails and we don’t get any answer,” she said.

Charest held out little hope the decision would change. “Hopefully those who choose to express themselves today will do it peacefully and respectfully,” Charest said on his way to the National Assembly question period.

The higher fees, still below the Canadian average, reflect “our willingness to have a world-class post-secondary education system in Quebec,” he said.

The students say higher fees mean higher debt for students and their parents, rejecting the government’s position that student aid, offered to about 35 per cent of students, will ease the debt burden.

One thing is for sure: the battle is not over. Students have vowed not to stop their pressure tactics until they have a tuition freeze. Gabriel Nadeau-Dubois, of the Coalition large de l’association pour une solidarité syndicale étudiante, said the next step is begin some economic pressure.

“Today was a huge success,” he said. “With 200,000 people in the streets, the government can’t continue to ignore that there is a crisis in the education system.”

Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4.

This year's hike, combined with one a few years back, will mean an increase of tuition fees by 125% since 2005. Also, according to the law on bursaries and loans, parents are expected to pay for their children's education - yes, even adult children, as long as they are full-time students - so students here are not eligible for bursaries if their family has a combined income of over $40,000. There are been no changes in the bursaries and loans programs to compensate for the tuition fee increase, so this is quite a hit on the middle class. The government has been showing no signs of backing down, with the Minister of Education going as far as calling the students "entitled" and "annoying".
juunanagou18 23rd-Mar-2012 06:26 am (UTC)
As an American, I don't know how to finance my education other than depending on loans (and a few grants that my school hands out). And I'm about to stare down tens of thousands of more loans for grad school this coming fall. It's terrible that now I'm choosing between which school I will pay less for in the end, in terms of enrolling.

I actually applied to McGill (wish they'd get back to me already), and have been following the strikes since they started. It's admirable how the students are willing to fight back. Here, we just kind of quietly accept that yeah, we're going to have to pay more money next year. Money that we don't have.
icanseenow 23rd-Mar-2012 09:52 am (UTC)
It's so horrifying for me to be reminded how greatful I should be. Here in Berlin we pay a few hundreds of euros for a semester and for that we get to use the public transport system. It's officially and virtually free.
And yet, while this is awesome, it still means that people like me who don't have rich parents, need to work while studying. It's not that working is so horrible, but that the whole university system here is build up so that you virtually have almost no time for it. They tell you to do 20 courses a semester. That's 40 hours in university every week. And they except you to spend the same amount of time at home. That's an 80 hours week of work. NOW add having to work to pay rent and life necessities.

Sorry if that sounds petty to you, since I don't even have to do loans. it's just hear it seems people always say "oh, but education is free and everyone can do it!" yeah right. except that poor people have to do double the work for their degree, wooh.
I didn't get a goverment loan because my parents aren't employees. I could have gotten a loan by some bank, I suppose, but the thought scares me.And... and still, it's just not fair, that 80% of people can enjoy their studies free of money-problems.
I dont want to think of how many intelligent wonderful people don't go to university because they need a job and money NOW. And yet they gloat about how it's not like the US here. Great, it's worse in the US, how that mean our problem here does not exist?

Sorry for ranting.. Just did it so i could stare at your icon.
ecrivais 23rd-Mar-2012 02:51 pm (UTC)
icanseenow 23rd-Mar-2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
on the negative side university in berlin is incredibly hard to get into for most subjects.

But this isn't true for some other places in Germany. Then again, there are cities with tuition fees, it depends on the state's government (as always, the social democrat ones = free, the conservative ones = not free. Urgh.).
icanseenow 23rd-Mar-2012 05:50 pm (UTC)
btw, if your parents arent German you wouldn't have been born German.
ecrivais 23rd-Mar-2012 06:47 pm (UTC)
I tried to reply on gmail whoops. My dad is, but I already have dual citizenship in Thailand womp womp womp
icanseenow 23rd-Mar-2012 06:52 pm (UTC)
Mhm, you couldn't get a dual citizenship here anyway. If you're already American. I think it really sucks. I always wanted to British AND German, ha.
ecrivais 23rd-Mar-2012 06:53 pm (UTC)
Lu-hame. Why the Germans gotta hate on us Americans? Oh well, having dual-citizenship is cool mostly because it's something I tell people when I'm drunk.
icanseenow 23rd-Mar-2012 06:57 pm (UTC)
Well, I'm teetotal so I should be fine ;)

Not really hating on Americans, is it? Since you cant get any dual citizenships. Actually, the only people who are officially allowed to have German AND another citizenship are children til 18 who were born in Germany to non-German parents who have lived here more than 8 years. And when they're 18 they have to decide which one they keep. Pretty shitty deal, if you ask me :/
ecrivais 23rd-Mar-2012 06:59 pm (UTC)
Whoops, I don't know how I didn't compute that. Maybe it was the 2 hours I just spent in a 90 degree greenhouse x_x

That is shitty, I wonder why you can't have dual-citizenship?
beru_beru 23rd-Mar-2012 06:27 am (UTC)
You have to pay interest on student loans in Quebec? Here in BC, or at least at UFV, the student union always has posters up stating that BC is the only province that still charges interest on student loans. o-o
lillyangel 23rd-Mar-2012 06:37 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they charge interest on loans in Alberta. But not until something like, 6 months after graduation.
luminescnece 23rd-Mar-2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
BC has some of the highest interest on loan repayments if my shoddily, mid-semester-brain memory informs me correctly.
x_jen17 24th-Mar-2012 01:46 am (UTC)
Yep, Ontario has to pay interest for student loans as well.

Ugh, why did I choose to go to the most expensive university in Ontario. T_T
seishin 25th-Mar-2012 02:51 am (UTC)
x_jen17 29th-Mar-2012 02:56 pm (UTC)
U of T
uluviel 23rd-Mar-2012 06:49 am (UTC)
I could rant for days on things anglos and non-local students have said to me but I'll refrain.

Est-ce que les anglos sont typiquement pro-hausse? Je n'ai pas été à la manif (je ne suis plus étudiante et je travaillais aujourd'hui), mais il me semble que j'ai vu bien des pancartes en anglais aux nouvelles.
sitakhet 23rd-Mar-2012 10:14 am (UTC)
Considering Concordia is also on strike, I would say no. (McGill doesn't care about anything but McGill. And no one knows Bishop's exists.)

The proportion of anglo-franco supporters is probably the same (the divide is actually by age and yearly income according to polls) it just depends who you come into contact with more - I've seen more franco supporters because I go to UdeM.

amyura 23rd-Mar-2012 10:10 pm (UTC)
McGill doesn't care about anything but McGill.

That about sums up how I felt while I was there. It kind of makes sense if the divide is also in part by income, because I have to say, I was a little overwhelmed by all the rich kids at McGill.
wisdomsawoman 23rd-Mar-2012 04:11 pm (UTC)
I feel like at Concordia (where I study) people are mostly against the strike, not for the hike. Which confuses me even more: how can you be against the strike if you're against the hike? What I've understood so far is that they don't want to "lose their session" or "take one for the team". Basically, they're highly individualistic and would prefer we fight the tuition increase in a way that wouldn't bother them. That is, of course, impossible. And of course it's not ALL Concordians who think like that, for from it.
luminescnece 23rd-Mar-2012 10:08 pm (UTC)
When my university (Vancouver Island University) went on strike the level of fucking student apathy drove me insane, there were groups harassing the professors, and even some counter-protesters.

If no one takes one for the team, the team goes fucking down ass hats.
little_rachael 23rd-Mar-2012 07:15 am (UTC)
Wow, that's 20 times the size of my hometown, right there. Unbelievable.
star_maple Umm, OT, but...23rd-Mar-2012 09:47 am (UTC)
When did all these ads show up? :(
darsynia Re: Umm, OT, but...23rd-Mar-2012 11:53 am (UTC)
THIS! I have a permanent account and just spent 10 minutes futzing around with stuff trying to figure out why the hell I see ads when I paid not to. Whoever's in charge of the comm, please complain to LJ. This is not cool at all. If this is the new 'future' of LJ, I'm massively displeased :(
lickety_split Re: Umm, OT, but...23rd-Mar-2012 02:43 pm (UTC)
This is nothing official, but I'm gonna take a guess and assume they're probably working on coding (the layout is still in beta). They'll probably be gone in a few hours (at least) or a few days (at most) for paid users.
darsynia Re: Umm, OT, but...23rd-Mar-2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
That would make sense! I was honestly worried this was a Thing for the sponsored special layout comms, and I was very disappoint. I don't MIND terribly, but I often have my toddler sit on my lap when I am surfing and I try not to pick sites with a ton of ads, given how distracting they are for her, heh.
lickety_split Re: Umm, OT, but...23rd-Mar-2012 03:44 pm (UTC)
It looks like the ads are gone for now, but I wouldn't be surprised if they popped up occasionally over the next few days or weeks as LJ experiments with size and placement.

But rest assured, there are definitely no plans to force ads on people with accounts that promise a clean browsing experience. :)
star_maple Re: Umm, OT, but...23rd-Mar-2012 05:34 pm (UTC)
I've still got them. :( But thank you for the reassurance. I really worried for a minute about the 'sponsored' comms, because they're really freaking ugly.
evilgmbethy 23rd-Mar-2012 09:51 am (UTC)
wow, 200,000 students is a pretty incredible turnout. good for them! also that giant Harper head is terrifying lol. I'm guessing that's supposed to be a giant Harper head.

I really envy countries where higher education is free. Whatever, I'm taking out the max amount of loans I'm allowed each year anyway. I'm hoping I'll get into a fully funded PhD program for grad school so I won't have to take out loans for that.

Edited at 2012-03-23 09:51 am (UTC)
sitakhet 23rd-Mar-2012 10:36 am (UTC)
It's a Jean Charest head!
tabaqui 23rd-Mar-2012 11:26 am (UTC)
I wish more students would get up and get active like that here. I know the system is pretty damn crazy in the US, but other than some Occupy stuff, i don't think there's been a big protest like this at any University in the US in my memory.
dana_fields 23rd-Mar-2012 12:05 pm (UTC)
I didn't know what to think of the blocking streets and bridges business at first, but this, this is kind of awsome. :)
shirogirl 23rd-Mar-2012 01:40 pm (UTC)
I live right next to Concordia and watched this from my window. My husband is a student there and we cheered for them from above. I'd have joined but I'm 8 months pregnant and bed ridden :x
angelofdeath275 OT23rd-Mar-2012 05:53 pm (UTC)
omg your icon OP!!!!

ON topic, thats a fucking impressive protest!!!
uluviel Re: OT23rd-Mar-2012 06:00 pm (UTC)
Yay another Journey fan! :)
sumi_tatsuha 23rd-Mar-2012 06:58 pm (UTC)
Ugh the worse part is that the people who complain about how inconvienant the striked are are privledged enough not to be affected by the hike or not even in school anymore (Im looking at you "fb" friends). By the time I go back to uni, I'll be a mother of a small child and who knows how much it'll cost me or let alone my kid to even have access to uni? This frustrates me to no end.
amyura 23rd-Mar-2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
Is that huge papier-mâché thing Charest's head? Awesome.
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