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10:41 pm - 03/23/2012
Indiana Governor Signs Bill Allowing Citizens to Use Deadly Force Against Police Officers Into Law

Republican Governor Mitch Daniels has signed Senate Enrolled Act 1 into law in Indiana. The new law allows citizens to use deadly force against police officers they think are illegally entering their homes. Earlier this month, Addicting Info reported  that the bill had passed the Senate. Republicans say the bill is designed to keep police safe, but Democrats say the bill will lead to the wanton killing of police officers.



Rep. Craig Fry, a Democrat, says the bill “is going to cause people to die and it’s too late after somebody dies for a jury to sort it out. Somebody’s going to die, whether it’s a police officer or an individual who thinks a police officer is entering their home unlawfully. People are going to die.”

Fry’s colleague, Democratic Rep. Linda Lawson, a former police captain, says the bill would create an “open season on law enforcement,” and it is opposed by “1,250 state police officers and 14,000 men and women in blue, brown and green.”

The new law reverses a state Supreme Court ruling that homeowners do not have the right to use force against law enforcement officials who they believe are illegally entering their homes. According to the Evansville Courier Press, an Evansville resident fought a police officer who followed him into his house during a domestic dispute call. “The state Supreme Court found that officers sometimes enter homes without warrants for reasons protected by the law, such as pursuing suspects or preventing the destruction of evidence. In these situations, we find it unwise to allow a homeowner to adjudge the legality of police conduct in the heat of the moment,” the court said. “As we decline to recognize a right to resist unlawful police entry into a home, we decline to recognize a right to batter a police officer as a part of that resistance.”

While announcing his decision to sign the bill into law, Governor Daniels tried to claim that the law doesn’t declare an open season on police officers.

“Today is an important day to say: Indiana’s outstanding law enforcement officers put their lives on the line every day to protect all Hoosiers. The right thing to do is cooperate with them in every way possible. This law is not an invitation to use violence or force against law enforcement officers. In fact, it restricts when an individual can use force, specifically deadly force, on an officer, so don’t try anything. Chances are overwhelming you will be breaking the law and wind up in far worse trouble as a result.”

But Governor Daniels is merely attempting to put political spin on a bad bill. Indeed, Daniels admits that he nearly vetoed it precisely because the bill could be grossly misinterpreted and could lead to killings of police and citizens. This law is basically a loophole for citizens to kill police officers and claim self-defense. There are many people out there who think no police officers have the right to enter homes or property, even if there is a warrant.

As the state Supreme Court said, sometimes police officers have to enter homes to prevent the destruction of evidence or to prevent someone from grabbing a weapon in their home to use against police or someone else. Sometimes police must pursue suspects in their homes. But this bill reverses that ruling and gives those suspects the legal authority to slay police officers. It’s the equivalent of Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ law that led to the killing of Trayvon Martin. In that incident, George Zimmerman believed he had the legal right to gun down a kid for walking through the neighborhood simply for being a young African American male strolling around the community at night. Zimmerman, believing the innocent boy to be a threat, followed him and then shot him to death. Because of the Florida law, Zimmerman remains a free man because he can claim self-defense. This Indiana law will allow people to do the same thing to police officers on their property and in their homes. It makes the already dangerous job of law enforcement even more dangerous and will ultimately lead to the legal murder of police officers who are just trying to do their job.



Now, I know that there is a lot of fuckery from the police, but this is so fucking stupid. It's going to lead to a lot more deaths of both police and homeowners.

Also bolded Mitch Daniels' stupid hypocrisy.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/23/indiana-governor-signs-bill-allowing-citizens-to-use-deadly-force-against-police-officers-into-law/

mirhanda 24th-Mar-2012 06:13 pm (UTC)
Better them that the innocent homeowner, which is what usually happens. I'll bet there will be a LOT few "mistaken entries" now.
bettalaylow 24th-Mar-2012 07:30 pm (UTC)
You realize that cops are going with more than one person armed, wearing a Kevlar vest, and you really think the minute a homeowner fires they aren't going to end up dead?
mirhanda 24th-Mar-2012 07:31 pm (UTC)
Probably, but at least the police wouldn't be able to just shrug and say "whoops" this time.
bettalaylow 24th-Mar-2012 07:33 pm (UTC)
I guess I just place a little more value on human life
mirhanda 24th-Mar-2012 07:34 pm (UTC)
If somebody is banging down my door in the middle of the night, I'm going to shoot, yeah. Maybe I don't have a lot of value for the life of someone breaking into my home, but meh, don't care.
bettalaylow 24th-Mar-2012 07:40 pm (UTC)
If the police announce themselves, wearing uniforms, and state they have a warrant that is not the same as finding someone rifling through your stuff getting ready to rob you. You kind of make my point if you have a shoot first mentality you shooting will only endanger more lives and get people killed. If you have children in your home, spouse, you turn your house into an OK Corral you can possibly get them killed.
mirhanda 24th-Mar-2012 07:42 pm (UTC)
WTF are you talking about? This law isn't saying anything about the police knocking politely and showing you a warrant. This law is to prevent the police fromm breaking and entering homes "by mistake."
bettalaylow 24th-Mar-2012 07:45 pm (UTC)
Oh so you're saying the police when executing warrants do nothing to identify themselves or why they are there?
mirhanda 24th-Mar-2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
*sigh*

I think you are being deliberately obtuse because I find it hard to believe someone could be a member here and not have heard any news about police breaking into homes in the middle of the night without knocking or identifying themselves. On the outside chance that you really are this clueless, I am going to provide you with a link to educate yourself. I hope you will also follow the outside links at the bottom of the wiki article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant
bettalaylow 24th-Mar-2012 08:13 pm (UTC)
Uh nice try but a no knock warrant means they are lawfully entering this law applies to UNLAWFULLY ENTERING
bettalaylow 24th-Mar-2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
And you're only providing more points as to why this law is such a horrendous idea. How the hell does a person determine with their house being raided that the police are entering lawfully or not
mirhanda 24th-Mar-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
OH for pete's sake, if you can't even be bothered to read the one wiki article, how will you ever learn things? They are UNLAWFULLY ENTERING because they go to the WRONG HOUSE. But since you refuse to bother to even read a simple wiki article to learn things, I am done with you.
bettalaylow 24th-Mar-2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
THEY FIND OUT THEY'RE AT THE WRONG HOUSE AFTER THE FACT

You keep missing my point how does a homeowner determine in a spilit second the warrant is legit I think in your bloodlust to play Dirty Harry with police you are not getting that these things go down in a spilt second and its unlikely that the average person will know what's a lawful entry by the police.

pepsquad 24th-Mar-2012 08:57 pm (UTC)
INTENT IS NOT FUCKING MAGICAL! THEY ARE BREAKING THE FUCK LAW IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM DOES A TIN STAR GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO VIOLATE MY PERSONAL SPACE AND THE SAFETY OF MY FUCKING HOME. I DO NOT NEED TO DETERMINE IN A SPLIT FUCKING SECOND IF THE THREE GUYS COMING INTO MY HOME ARE COPS, SANTA CLAUSE, OR THE FUCKING EASTER BUNNY. I KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT WELCOME AND THAT I WILL NOT HESITATE TO DEFEND MYSELF, MY FAMILY, AND MY PROPERTY. END OF DISCUSSION.

bettalaylow 24th-Mar-2012 08:27 pm (UTC)
Surely you can't be that out of touch that the cases cited in this article would have ended without loss of life had this law been in place.
illusivevenstar 25th-Mar-2012 03:46 am (UTC)
fuck the police. :)
roseofjuly 25th-Mar-2012 04:51 am (UTC)
Have you ever heard of a no-knock warrant? WTF, this isn't Law & Order, this is real life. There was a story in ontd_p a few months ago about a 7-year-old girl who ended up dying because the fucking cops bust into the wrong house.
bettalaylow 25th-Mar-2012 11:55 am (UTC)
Let me explain this simply: A NO KNOCK WARRANT MEANS THEY ARE LAWFULLY entering your home thus the law does NOT apply!!! Only problem who the hell does a person determine if a warrant is legit? A person shoots and kills a cop finds out later the warrant was legit and it ends up on death row.

Please explain to me how this law will keeps homeowners safe from over-zealous, abusive cops??? It fucking doesn't cops it only enhances their fucked up behavior because if they start thinking every house they are walking into might open fire on them what do you think their response will be?
alryssa 25th-Mar-2012 08:53 pm (UTC)
They're not lawfully entering if they're at the WRONG ADDRESS. Which happens more often than you might think.
bettalaylow 25th-Mar-2012 09:38 pm (UTC)
I've already explained this a ton of times in this post feel free to read any of my other replies if they're coherent enough for you
alryssa 25th-Mar-2012 09:57 pm (UTC)
I've read every one of your comments and I still don't know what you're getting at because you keep changing your mind every time you post and replying with non-sequiturs and nonsensical remarks because you apparently can't stand not to have the last word.


bettalaylow 25th-Mar-2012 10:14 pm (UTC)
Again what is your purpose for being in this post?? Apparently something is getting understood because your limited attempt at actually discussing the topic you knew enough to disagree but than you go back to the same tired shtick.
alryssa 25th-Mar-2012 10:18 pm (UTC)
I don't need your permission to be here in this post, funny as that may sound to you, cupcake.
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