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Could the health-care law work without the individual mandate?

9:25 pm - 03/27/2012
If the Supreme Court were to invalidate the 2010 health-care law’s requirement that virtually all Americans obtain insurance, would the rest of the law become unworkable?

Even among supporters of the statute, opinions vary widely about the practical impact of a decision to strike down the mandate but leave everything else intact — one of several options available to the court.

“It’s probably the the biggest area of uncertainty around all estimates about the law,” said Larry Levitt, a health insurance expert with the Kaiser Family Foundation.

The Obama administration argues that requiring individuals to get coverage is essential to the success of two of the most important — and popular — regulations that the law will impose starting in 2014: a rule that insurers can’t discriminate against people with preexisting conditions, and limitations on how much they can vary rates among customers.

Many of the law’s supporters insist that without the mandate, these rules would impose an unsustainable burden on insurers, ultimately causing the market to implode.

In fact, the government contends that if the mandate falls, these provisions should be struck as well. With no requirement that they buy insurance ahead of time, this argument goes, people could wait until they were sick to purchase a plan, skewing the insurance pool toward the ill, who are more costly to insure.

“That’s not a hypothetical,” said John McDonough, a professor at the Harvard University School of Public Health.

He points to New Jersey, New York, Kentucky and Washington, which attempted to introduce similar insurance regulations in the 1990s. None included a requirement that residents obtain coverage. The resulting disruption to the states’ insurance markets was cataclysmic: Rates skyrocketed, and many insurers simply stopped offering plans.

But Levitt argues there is an important reason that the impact at the national level might not be so dramatic: In contrast to the state laws, the health-care statute will offer millions of Americans generous subsidies to help buy private plans.

This means that many more people — including healthy people — who are not currently buying insurance because of its cost will be prompted to enter the market voluntarily.

“It becomes a much better deal for you. So you are more likely to enroll even without a mandate,” Levitt said.

Paul Starr, a health policy expert at Princeton University, agrees and points to the high enrollment rates for Medicare’s Part B and Part D plans, which cover doctors and prescription drugs; in contrast to Medicare’s hospitalization plan, they are optional.

“Seniors don’t have to sign up, but they do because it’s a good deal,” Starr said.

He also notes that complex “risk adjustment” mechanisms would protect private insurers that end up with a disproportionately sick pool of customers.

The potential interplay of all these factors may explain the tremendous variation among statistical estimates concerning the mandate.

The Congressional Budget Office has calculated that without the mandate, insurance premiums on the individual market — the sector most vulnerable to fluctuations — would be 15 to 20 percent higher than with it. One respected researcher puts the difference as low as 10 percent, another at 27 percent.

Similarly, while the CBO estimates that the number of Americans remaining uninsured would jump by about 16 million without the mandate — about 40 percent more than if the health-care law were implemented intact — other analyses suggest that the number could be nearly half that.

Starr and others also contend that estimates of the mandate’s effect may be overblown.

For all the controversy it has ignited, the mandate is actually fairly weak. Penalties will ultimately be set at $695 or 2.5 percent of income — whichever is higher — and there is a hardship exemption for people who can’t afford insurance even with a subsidy. While the government can collect the penalty by counting it against a person’s federal tax rebate, it will be barred from using other collection tools such as placing liens or threatening incarceration.

There is a robust debate within health policy circles about alternative approaches that could achieve the same aims as the mandate through less controversial means. For instance, Congress could automatically sign up uninsured people for the least expensive private plan available to them, allowing them to opt out but counting on human nature to ensure that most wouldn’t bother doing so. Or, give people the choice to either buy insurance or give up the consumer protections in the law for five years. States could also step in and enact their own mandates.

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one_hoopy_frood 28th-Mar-2012 02:19 am (UTC)
there is a hardship exemption for people who can’t afford insurance even with a subsidy.

Good, but there should be no mandate without a public option. We need a public option.

Edited at 2012-03-28 02:19 am (UTC)
grace_om 28th-Mar-2012 02:27 am (UTC)
If we had the public option, we wouldn't need the mandate -- the mandate was the original Republican plan which Obama compromised to without even trying to push a public option. A public option would be WAY better.
one_hoopy_frood 28th-Mar-2012 02:33 am (UTC)
You're right, the rhetoric of it all has me backwards about the order it happened in. Ugh. I don't think the president was ever as interested in the public option as we wanted him to be.
layweed 28th-Mar-2012 02:37 am (UTC)
I get the feeling the public option or universal healthcare will never happen in our country. Too much polarization, too much worry over "socialism", too much influence and power on the side of insurance corporations and their lobbyists, too much government is horribly inefficient at everything they do let's let the magical capitalist system work it instead, etc.
serendipity_15 28th-Mar-2012 01:49 pm (UTC)
I like to think that we would get universal health care or a public option someday but not until the majority of the developing word has surpassed us in health care because only then will there be enough public pressure for one.
mirhanda 28th-Mar-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
We have it NOW if you're over 65 and it's HUGELY popular among the people it covers. I honesty think if Obama hadn't been in the pocket of the insurance companies and had pushed the public option, people would be happier about it.
telemann 28th-Mar-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
With Republicans in the house and the Senate? Ain't going to happen. That's the only reason Obama's bill final passed in the first place was because there was no public option. And Dems had a 59 vote majority in the Senate.

Edited at 2012-03-28 03:54 am (UTC)
mirhanda 28th-Mar-2012 05:45 pm (UTC)
THIS!!!! There would need to be no mandate if everyone were automatically covered.
maenads_dance 28th-Mar-2012 02:33 am (UTC)
I really dislike the Affordable Care Act for a number of reasons, but I'm terrified it will be struck down. I'm twenty-one; if not for the changes in legislation, I'd have no health insurance right now, and my two hospitalizations this fall would not have been covered. My family can afford to help me at the moment, but could not afford my health care if I lost insurance. I'm an unemployed student, and wouldn't have the ability to buy even catastrophic coverage, let alone the kind of comprehensive insurance I need.

So I feel awful: on a self-interested level, I really need the ACA to be upheld, but as a matter of principle and thinking about the long-term needs of the country, I strongly dislike the law. I started out really enamored by it, but the more I read about it, the less I like it.
theguindo 28th-Mar-2012 02:35 am (UTC)
and there is a hardship exemption for people who can’t afford insurance even with a subsidy.

So they...what? Aren't insured? Please tell me this is not a crack for the working poor to fall through.
one_hoopy_frood 28th-Mar-2012 02:40 am (UTC)
That's exactly why the mandate as it stands is only good for insurance companies. It forces people to pay into insurance who most likely don't have it for a reason or face a fine; if they're ~lucky enough to be SO POOR that they can get out of it they are still without insurance.
theguindo 28th-Mar-2012 02:47 am (UTC)
Yeah... I've heard that it expands medicare to cover single childness adults (hi) but I still feel like there's going to end up being a grey area between people who make too much to qualify for medicare but don't make enough to fall under the mandate.

If the conservatives don't want congress to force everyone to buy insurance, they could just take the money out of our taxes and give everyone insurance through the tax funds--

Oh wait.

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clarice_01 28th-Mar-2012 03:39 am (UTC)
From what I have heard (we just went over the new health care policy in one of my political science classes) medicaid would have to cover everyone who makes up to 133% of the poverty line, then there is a sliding scale as income goes up. What that means in real life, when it is put into action I have no idea, but in the abstract it sounds much better than what we have now.
theguindo 28th-Mar-2012 03:42 am (UTC)
Well, compared to what we have now, it's great. I just hope it doesn't leave people who are right on the edge of that 133% out in the cold.
brookiki 28th-Mar-2012 05:06 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's the problem with the way so much stuff works. Yeah, you're pretty bad off if you're making 132% of the poverty line, but saying that you're okay if you make 134% is just ridiculous.
mirhanda 28th-Mar-2012 05:52 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure what it will mean in the real world, is that people who are barely scraping by now will have to decide if they are going to buy food that month or pay the insurance companies an outrageous "premium" and if they don't make that hard choice, the government is going to take their income tax refund away.
mirhanda 28th-Mar-2012 05:50 pm (UTC)
Medicare covers every American over the age of 65 whether they have children or not.
theguindo 28th-Mar-2012 05:53 pm (UTC)
I should clarify that I meant single childless adults under the age of 65. Like the 20-somethings who are no longer able to be included on their parents' insurance but can't afford their own coverage.

...I also meant medicaid. Whoops. XD I always forget they're two different things.
tsaraven 28th-Mar-2012 02:09 pm (UTC)
The financial help for purchasing health insurance goes up to making around $89,000 a year for a family of 4 in the lower 48 states. I think that's pretty fair, and all poor and middle class people fall into that not just the very poor.

mirhanda 28th-Mar-2012 05:54 pm (UTC)
How much is the financial help though? Will it cover 10%? 50%? We know it won't cover 100% and for a lot of people who are living paycheck to paycheck and still not having quite enough food to last til their next paycheck, they CANNOT afford even 10% of this. What are they supposed to do?
tsaraven 28th-Mar-2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
It's true that it is not a great solution, but you would just have to get sub-par insurance (like the terrible commercials that come on late at night saying you can get insurance for your family for only $100 a month!!11!...then you find out it's only a 20% off discount for healthcare). Not what anyone would want to get, but enough that a tax credit would pay for it and therefore eliminate the fine for not having any. Eventually the goal should be to have a public option, which the House bill did, but we have a lot of work to get the public onboard.
mirhanda 28th-Mar-2012 06:22 pm (UTC)
A tax credit isn't going to put any food on the table, it just reduces the amount of your income that you pay taxes on. It doesn't add anything to your paycheck. And we still have people who can't afford healthcare. This law is terrible.
tsaraven 28th-Mar-2012 06:28 pm (UTC)
Our tax credits that my family gets for our kids are completely free money given to us by the government. It is separate from our taxes paid and deductions made on that which we get a refund of. This year we got a refund of X number of dollars and on top of that got a huge tax credit amount added to our check. It was cash in hand in 10 days.

theguindo 28th-Mar-2012 05:57 pm (UTC)
That does put me somewhat at ease, though I do worry that the gov't does not have a good idea of how much "financial help" is necessary depending on the income bracket. We'll have to see, I suppose.
tsaraven 28th-Mar-2012 06:24 pm (UTC)
True. I've heard discussions in the past of figures around $5000-6000 a year being thrown around which isn't enough to get amazing paid-at-80% with no deductible insurance, but enough to get a crappy plan. That's not ideal, but it's a start. I'm also okay with the credit being reduced by income level. If you are making $80,000 a year and you still qualify for help, you should be able to pay more into it yourself than a family making $30,000 a year. If poor people are supposed to manage their money and not live above their means (the "how dare you buy a big screen TV while you accept food stamps!" mindset), then surely a family making $80,000 a year should have picked a mortgage and car payment they could deal with while still expecting to pay for health insurance.
phoenixblaze 28th-Mar-2012 03:01 am (UTC)
Living under Romneycare I can tell you that it does, sadly. We have MassHealth, but there are still so many problems.

There are flaws in this law, but I really do believe it's necessary. We are so backwards in this country with our medical care. The bottom line is all that matters and that is a terrible way to look at people's health.
theguindo 28th-Mar-2012 03:05 am (UTC)
I just hope the reform doesn't stop here, but with the current state of politics I have a terrible sinking feeling.
layweed 28th-Mar-2012 03:02 am (UTC)
Yeah....I'm pretty sure the SC can't do that. At best, they could probably have something mentioning a recommendation of the public option in their judgement.
24_24_1_1526 28th-Mar-2012 04:28 am (UTC)
not even gonna lie, LO got some points with me when i found out he was dating tamron hall. i wonder if they cuddle and discuss topics in the dead of night.
daniilm 28th-Mar-2012 04:53 am (UTC)
Private health care won't work w/o individual mandate. Period. It's basic economics of markets with adverse selection.
circumambulate 28th-Mar-2012 07:53 am (UTC)
That doesn't make it constitutional, unfortunately.

The SCOTUS can't uphold laws just because they're a good idea, they have to be constitutionally sound,as well. While that sucks at times like this, it sucks less when it also means that a bunch of crappy laws get slapped down, too.
daniilm 28th-Mar-2012 02:33 pm (UTC)
I'm not a lawyer. Enough of those think that it is constitutional. And in the longer term it's either a mandate or a tax on everyone that funds a "public option".
atomic_joe2 28th-Mar-2012 08:21 am (UTC)
Heathcare should be based on clinical need not ability to pay.
tsaraven 28th-Mar-2012 01:54 pm (UTC)
I hate how both liberals and conservatives get behind the "waaaaah mandate!!" thing. :/ Who would that really affect? People with money who refuse to buy insurance? I don't have insurance because I can't afford it, and I fall in the categories of either expanded Medicaid or tax credits to pay for insurance. I really don't understand the anger. You either already have insurance which means no penalty, or you don't and fall into one of two categories: you can't afford it and there will be provisions to help you in 2014, or you can afford it and refuse. Those people seem to only have the "it's about my freedom to refuse!" argument. Perhaps constitutionally it may not hold up and the healthcare act will be killed, but that doesn't make it right. And are we really that mad about a single person making $60,000 a year or a family of four making $100,000 a year having to pay a couple thousand dollar fine to help pay for other people because they refuse to buy insurance? Would we be angry at them having to pay that money in taxes to pay for other's insurance? I know conservatives still would be, but liberals?

I realize that the money given in tax credits may not be enough to have GREAT insurance, but even if it only pays for a craptastic discount-type or catastrophic insurance, then you have it and therefore don't have any penalty (and it's more than you had before). Maybe then in the future we can work on a better idea.
krinchan 28th-Mar-2012 04:52 pm (UTC)
The personal arguments against the law have pretty much sucked.

However, the so-called Mandate is a serious issue that is far beyond the scope of the constitution. I highly doubt any of the Founding Fathers could have planned for this eventuality.

Unfortunately, amending the constitution is nearly impossible in our current political climate.

The best argument I've heard, so far, for the mandate is that every person participates in the health care market by virtue of being alive and living in this country. Because of that, every person has a very real impact on the cost of health care. Because of that, every person has a very real impact on the cost of health insurance.

Hence, you could actually parallel the harm caused by unpaid medical bills to the harm caused by second hand smoke. The country obviously agrees that the government has the ability to regulate your smoking habit on the basis of controlling the harm you cause to people who do not smoke. Hence, the government should be able to regulate your buying health insurance on the basis of controlling the harm you cause when you lack insurance.

Even then, you get pretty tenuous in the legal field. There are a lot of differences that can be used to successfully challenge this. The largest is that you are being forced to participate less in a market (tobacco) in a very indirect way. Also, you have alternatives to smoking, such as smokeless tobacco.

In this case, you are instead being forced to participate in a market you have no which to participate in. You have no alternative to buying health insurance to mitigate your damage to the costs of others, aside from not receiving treatment and dying in a ditch.

This is the culmination of a blind spot in the Constitution and the case law surrounding it. This is a totally new thing in US history. Yes, other countries have done it, but the fact remains that our constitutional setup is somewhat unique in the prioritization of values. I don't remember which justice at the moment said it, but this will "completely change the government's relationship with the individual."

Yes, it benefits you. However, if the SCOTUS is not very careful in how they approve this, you may just hand the government the keys to do a lot more dangerous stuff. Considering the current level of trust I have in the government, I am not too comfortable with that, no matter how much I really want this to be upheld.

I can only hope the justices uphold the law and in their final judgement, they present a very narrow, very specific test of when the government may pass laws such as this.
tsaraven 28th-Mar-2012 06:46 pm (UTC)
I have issues with the tea party/post-2010 congress saying that all laws need to be rooted in the Constitution (which they didn't adhere to anyway) to begin with in all this. You make a good point that everyone (unless they choose to lay in a ditch) does use healthcare at some point. It's hard to accept people saying they have the right to "opt out" when they wind up at the doctor with a bill they can't pay. That being said, I hate all this discussion of healthcare and money. I support the public option.
mirhanda 28th-Mar-2012 05:59 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure you realize how "craptastic" craptastic is. How useful is a hospitalization plan that has a max benefit of $500? Yes, I've seen that. And the employer wanted to charge $100/paycheck for that. Do you know how much even setting a leg costs? $500 is a joke.

As for helping people, if you are living paycheck to paycheck and even then can't afford enough food to last til your next one, even if the gov't comes in and pays 90%, where is that extra 10% coming from? Food? Rent?

This whole thing is a mess, and the public option should always have been there. They should have cut insurance companies out from the beginning.

Edited at 2012-03-28 06:01 pm (UTC)
tsaraven 28th-Mar-2012 06:34 pm (UTC)
I do realize how bad crappy insurance is; I was just saying that it would avoid the fines which is what some people seem to be upset about.

I agree we need a public option. My kids are on Medicaid and I had it through a rough pregnancy. It has been amazing and I wish everyone could have it. I wish I still did, but not enough to get pregnant again.
mirhanda 28th-Mar-2012 06:46 pm (UTC)
The thing is, this will work if all you want is to make sure everyone has "health insurance". But that's not what I want, and I don't think it's what most people want. I want everyone to have access to healthcare. And this crap law does not do that by your own admission. The very people who this was supposed to help are still left out in the cold, only now they have less money because they are being forced to buy some crap "health insurance" that doesn't cover enough so that they can actually afford health care.
theguindo 28th-Mar-2012 08:02 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the biggest worry I had about this law when it first passed was that (afaik) there's no regulation on what insurance plans NEED to cover. With no baseline minimum, you might be forced to buy insurance plans that only provide catastrophic coverage and nothing else because that's all you can afford and anything better is in a much higher cost bracket.
mirhanda 28th-Mar-2012 08:11 pm (UTC)
Seriously. And that catastrophic plan might have a maximum benefit of $500-1000, so is basically useless.
lux_roark 29th-Mar-2012 01:09 am (UTC)
I hate Medi-Cal. I wish I could go back to Kaiser, but that won't happen unless my husband gets a permanent position. There are too many limits on Medi-Cal which hinders certain groups of people from getting the help that they need.
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