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Romney: Uninsured with preexisting conditions should be denied coverage

9:37 pm - 03/28/2012


Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Tuesday insisted that President Barack Obama’s health care reform law should be overturned and that people with preexisting conditions should be denied coverage if they had never had insurance before.


During an appearance on NBC’s Tonight Show, host Jay Leno told Romney that he knew people that had never been able to get insurance before “Obamacare” was passed.

“It seems to me like children and people with preexisting conditions should be covered,” Leno noted.

“People with preexisting conditions — as long as they’ve been insured before, they’re going to continue to have insurance,” Romney explained.

“Suppose they were never insured?” Leno asked.

“Well, if they’re 45 years old, and they show up, and they say, I want insurance, because I’ve got a heart disease, it’s like, `Hey guys, we can’t play the game like that. You’ve got to get insurance when you’re well, and if you get ill, then you’re going to be covered,’” Romney replied.

“I know guys that work in the auto industry and they’re just not covered because they work in brake dust,” Leno pressed. “And then they get to be 30, 35, and were never able to get insurance before. Now they have it. That seems like a good thing.”

“But people who have had the chance to be insured — if you’re working in an auto business for instance, the companies carry insurance, they insure all their employees — you look at the circumstances that exist,” the candidate explained. “But you don’t want everyone saying, `I’m going to sit back until I get sick and then go buy insurance.’ That doesn’t make sense. But you have to find rules that get people in that are playing by the rules.”


The Washington Post‘s Greg Sargent pointed out that by passing health insurance mandates in Massachusetts, Romney had acknowledged that people should get coverage when they are well, but he had since moved further to the right in an effort to win the GOP presidential primary.

“So he’s forced to give a nonsensical answer to the core policy and moral question that’s left behind if we do away with Obamacare: What should the federal government do about those who can’t get insurance covarge, thanks to preexisting conditions?” Sargent wrote.

“Until Romney details otherwise, his answer, for all practical purposes, is: Nothing.”

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firerosearien 29th-Mar-2012 03:18 am (UTC)
Yeah so I got major digestive issues and ovarian cysts, and I'd totally just love not having healthcare (thank you New Jersey for letting me keep my insurance...for now)
phoenixblaze 29th-Mar-2012 04:02 am (UTC)
Yeah I have chronic digestive problems since I was born and got diagnosed with fibromyalgia at 18. Things like this make me rage so bad.
effervescent 29th-Mar-2012 03:21 am (UTC)
Ugh, I just can't even try to understand the logic behind this sort of thing. I don't want to understand it. How can anyone look a fellow human being in the eye and tell them that they don't deserve healthcare? It's like he deliberately blinds himself to all the ways that a person could end up without insurance.
sesmo 29th-Mar-2012 06:41 am (UTC)
Actually, he's saying the same thing the SG said at the Supreme Court. Insurance will not work if you let people just buy it when they get sick. That eliminates the risk distribution aspect of insurance. In that, he's right.

Of course, in the meantime he argues against providing coverage in other ways to high risk folks, which is shitty.
mercaque 29th-Mar-2012 03:26 am (UTC)
When Jay Leno is nailing you on being a greedy douche...
firerosearien 29th-Mar-2012 03:27 am (UTC)
No kidding
gloraelin 29th-Mar-2012 03:26 am (UTC)
I was already broken enough that by the time I was out from under my parents' insurance, I had about four disqualifying pre-existing conditions. Fuck you so much, Mitt, because I'll never EVER qualify for insurance according to you.
cai_penquin 29th-Mar-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
Exactly.

My sister WAS on my parents insurance plan and when they changed providers the insurance companies would not enroll my sister in their plans. Thankfully at our jobs we had basic insurance but she maxed out her prescription benefits in 3 months. :(
schexyschteve 29th-Mar-2012 03:27 am (UTC)
Why?
firerosearien 29th-Mar-2012 03:28 am (UTC)
On a less ragey note: As long as the insurance model is built around the idea of people getting sick (instead of staying healthy) we will continue to be fucked.
cai_penquin 29th-Mar-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
THIS!
doverz 29th-Mar-2012 03:28 am (UTC)
Fuck you Mittens. People don't have insurance for all kinds of reasons, like not being able to afford it or because insurance companies are fucking assholes and deny you for no fucking reason. You are so fucking disconnected from what the average American goes through.
hinoema 29th-Mar-2012 05:00 am (UTC)
Or because you live in a 'right to work' state and your employer refuses to offer insurance and what can you do? Yeah.
24_24_1_1526 29th-Mar-2012 03:29 am (UTC)
so should i ever find a job again, i won't be able to get insurance to cover the drugs i need that keep my chron's disease in remission?

smh


since i can't wish death upon you, i hope you develop a severely infected anal fissure.
spyral_path 29th-Mar-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
You mean "should I never find a job that offers insurance again." I have two jobs and don't get insurance through either of them.
13chapters 29th-Mar-2012 03:34 am (UTC)
Does this guy WANT me to think he's an asshole? If so, good job.
jasonbeast 29th-Mar-2012 04:09 am (UTC)
All the Republicans are trying to out-asshole each other this year. It's a thing.
doverz 29th-Mar-2012 03:35 am (UTC)
So, do people think that the SC will strike down the individual mandate??
angelus7988 29th-Mar-2012 08:51 pm (UTC)
I'm really scared that they will.
amyura 29th-Mar-2012 03:35 am (UTC)
I've had insurance my whole life. I'm also clinically depressed and get migraines. And I've had two kids, one by emergency c-section, and still have another good 10-15 years left of fertility. If I ever lose my current insurance, I'm FUCKED.
emmymik 29th-Mar-2012 03:38 am (UTC)
Well then. Clearly I should have thought twice before being born with a heart condition.
yeats 29th-Mar-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
you should have just stayed in the womb -- obviously that's the only time that republicans care about people.
nicosian 29th-Mar-2012 03:38 am (UTC)
nice, romney, referring to health insurance as "playing the game". For most people I know, it isn't a game at all, they can't afford it, they can't get it, and you just said on national TV its ok if we just start shoving people off a cliff?

Yeah. How the HELL is this sort of thing even acceptable in politicians now?
ladylothwen 29th-Mar-2012 03:42 am (UTC)
This asshole. I'm just gonna laugh at the sign behind him. Ask him why he's such a flaming bag of shit.
spyral_path 29th-Mar-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
best comment I've read all day.
porcelain72 29th-Mar-2012 03:44 am (UTC)
"Ask Mitt Anything."

Mitt, why are you such a motherfucker?
mellieebelliee 29th-Mar-2012 03:46 am (UTC)
Wait... even this is controversial now?
homasse 29th-Mar-2012 03:50 am (UTC)
And this is why I'm staying in Japan. I pretty much knew as soon as the docs started saying "rare collagen disease" to me that I was never going to be able to move back to the US again, and shit like this cements it. *hugs national insurance card*

An American friend visiting told me an MRI - something I have to get a lot of because said rare collagen disease means I sprain and dislocate everything at the drop of a hat - cost $10,000, and her insurance fought it every step of the way. Last MRI I had, cost me the equivalent of about $40.
rhodanum 29th-Mar-2012 03:58 am (UTC)
This is the exact same reason why I might emigrate westward in my lifetime, but I sure as hell am not leaving Europe.

My own country has a wealth of problems related to healthcare -- an underfunded system, institutionalized corruption, too few doctors for the number of patients... However, even with all of that, I can still get all of the treatments I need for this wonky, barely functional body and it won't send me straight into bankruptcy.
ericadawn16 29th-Mar-2012 03:52 am (UTC)
Hmm, so let's see because I became Epileptic at age 18 and never had a job before that...it's all my fault?
rhodanum 29th-Mar-2012 03:53 am (UTC)
.... I wish these people would just come out and say it straight: 'you're of some use when you're fit and healthy and can work/produce things for us. However, if something breaks down or you're faulty by design... too bad for you. We'll just leave you to rot. Or perhaps we'll be merciful and punt you off a cliff, to make it quicker and relatively painless. Aren't we the best?'

I don't know, maybe it's anger added over the years coloring my words.... but if there's one word that keeps buzzing in my head when it comes to this whole 'for profit venture into healthcare', that one is 'eugenics.'
____jonas 29th-Mar-2012 03:58 am (UTC)
I'd probably respect them more if they just came out and said they want us all dead.

And the sad thing is, people would still follow them, because of course they're not talking about us!
____jonas 29th-Mar-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
If the ACA is overturned, I'm seriously going to cry. I went most of my childhood without insurance (Romneycare didn't pass until I was almost 18), and living with severe OCD for so long was a hell I would not wish on anyone. I'm scared that once I'm done with school, I'll be in the same situation, especially if SCOTUS' ruling dismantles Commonwealth Care.

Someone give me hope that we'll have real universal healthcare one day?
blinkidybah 29th-Mar-2012 03:09 pm (UTC)
wait wait WAIT the SCOTUS ruling could affect commonwealth care??
lunchy 29th-Mar-2012 03:56 am (UTC)
My brother has had a pre-existing condition since he was TWO YEARS OLD when his kidney was infected and needed to be taken out (thanks to an incompetent doctor who kept telling my mother not to worry about the fever he'd had for days), now he has to take slews of meds and all sorts of supplies to KEEP HIM ALIVE and have any sort of normal life. Now he needs a transplant, and will need dialysis as well at some point. So when he is somehow without insurance, you're just going to leave him to die? Fuck you, Romney. Fuck you straight to hell. I hope you die a horrible, slow, painful death.
kyra_neko_rei 29th-Mar-2012 05:36 pm (UTC)
But don't you know? If we just do tort reform to prevent that doctor from ever being liable for anything, the cost of health care will magically go right down and solve everything!

/stopping before I throw up.
elegantenigma 29th-Mar-2012 03:59 am (UTC)
Ask Mitt Anything: OK, Mitt, why are you such a dick?
kerrence 29th-Mar-2012 04:05 am (UTC)
Fuck you, Mittens, my endometriosis and my type I diabetes do not make me less worthy of living.
gloraelin 29th-Mar-2012 09:46 am (UTC)
Fucking endo. Slightly OT, how do you treat yours? I'm rapidly running out of options as mine is extremely treatment-resistant to anything but Lupron, and I'm already showing bone loss in my spine. :/ and they won't rip out the bits because OMG FAT!, despite that I've had five surgeries with full general in the last three years.
serendipity_15 29th-Mar-2012 04:05 am (UTC)
I guess I should have known better than to be born with congenital eye problems then. As someone who's already been burned twice by insurance companies once I finally aged out of my parents' plan for "pre-existing conditions" fuck you, Ronmey.
phoenixblaze 29th-Mar-2012 04:09 am (UTC)
Fuck you Romney. I was born with stomach conditions.

And maybe if it weren't for douchebag businessmen like you who insist on chopping benefits just so you can get an extra million in your bonus people would have better coverage and things like this would be a nonissue. And you think you can relate to me? I hated you when you were in office in my state and I hate you still.

I'm terrified what's going to happen when I'm done with school. I'm getting married next March and I'll have this insurance for a few months after that, so hopefully I'll be able to transition onto my fiance's insurance without issue. God I hope.
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